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Mayman10
May 11, 2019

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i also love the SUCC (shanghai urban construction college)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58QEOkvTv8

those blue camo pants are sick

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BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Spergin Morlock posted:

how many layers or irony are you on?
wait i thought this was the new sincerity thread?

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

BrutalistMcDonalds posted:

i also love the SUCC (shanghai urban construction college)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-58QEOkvTv8

:hmmyes:

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

i have just the news channel for you

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCIlhFmVgRg

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid
lol I hadn't really been paying attention to the COP stuff so from all the talk about xi scorning the event I thought China had given it a miss entirely, e.g.


https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/4a960b88-39c0-45f0-8c53-9411682e5b24

financial times posted:

However, Xi, who has not left China since the beginning of the Covid-19 pandemic, submitted a written statement only, raising questions about his country’s participation

when they actually sent a delegation

https://www.itv.com/news/2021-11-01/is-cop26-doomed-to-fail-without-chinas-xi-jinping

ITV news posted:

It is true that Xi has not left China since the beginning of the pandemic. To travel to the UK would be to potentially expose him to Covid-19, and it seems it would be a worse prospect for the President to get the virus, than for him to be painted as the pariah of COP26.

There will be a Chinese delegation in Glasgow, and lead negotiator Xie Zhenhua was brought out of retirement to lead the charge on climate change.

He is viewed as an able and experienced negotiator.

and that should be the end of it right, China is attending the meeting it's just that xi won't personally be in the room and is sending a senior representative of the Chinese government in his place

ITV news posted:

But he will not have the power to act without the President's say so.

He and his team will have been given a strict brief and that will likely include an order not to deviate from the country’s NDC pledges. They will have pre-determined points of discussion and will be largely there to listen and make sure China's view is heard.

The Nationally Determined Commitments (NDCs) the Chinese Government submitted ahead of the meeting have disappointed many for not going any further than previously determined targets.
hmmm so this guy won't be able to deviate from what China has already committed to, but presumably if you got xi in the room then he would be open to changing that commitment? and he can't like ring up xie and give him the ok if they did want to change it for some reason?

but are the targets bad?

ITV news posted:

The country doubled down on renewables targets and its commitments to reach peak emissions by 2030 and carbon neutrality by 2060.

It is clear from the President’s decision not to go to Glasgow, from those NDCs and from what we are being told here in Beijing that China considers its current targets ambitious enough.

hmm genuinely not great but not all that far off what the west is pretending it will do

ITV News posted:

There is unlikely to be any shift on that 2030 target, despite the country being on track to meet it ahead of schedule.
oh so, they're actually going to meet and possibly exceed those targets but haven't committed to a lower one?


itv news posted:

Nor does there appear any willingness to entertain a pact on curbing rising temperatures. A subject the Chinese have been particularly cautious on.

China has a zero or hero record when it comes to COP meetings. Its delegation was accused of derailing the climate talks in Copenhagen in 2009, but in 2015 President Xi took a lead role in the breakthrough Paris Climate Agreement, committing his country to the emission targets.
more getting mad about China being unwilling to make a deal, and also talking about them making deals

the last paragraph is just awful

ITV news posted:

In 2021, when even Her Majesty the Queen is fed up of leaders saying not doing, there will be many in Glasgow questioning why Xi didn’t deem it important to even turn up. Perhaps he wanted to spare the planet the carbon footprint of his journey.
Even Her Majesty the Queen of England is fed up, and this inscrutable Mr Xi wants to not make a pointless trip abroad (during a pandemic) with his entire entourage to a climate conference that could be done on zoom? does he not realise how important it is that people like Joe Biden fly dozens of cars, hundreds of people to this thing about how the planet is dying because of all the cars and flying??

of course, it is the only way as they wouldn't be able to just do a loving teleconference like almost every office worker in the world has managed over the last two years. they wouldn't just like, not do that for no reason out of spite/as an undercurrent of the UK government's war against working at home (because you can't get COVID there, and they like to give people COVID)

Financial Times posted:

Alok Sharma, the UK’s COP president, confirmed that no country was given the option to join the World Leaders Summit by video link.

“We have been very clear and insistent on this issue right from the start. We always said that participation in the World Leaders Summit was going to be physical participation,” he said. “We had 120 leaders come . . . and some of them have made a challenging journey to come here
oh

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme

listen jack its the bbb for the world

the ccc to fight the ccp

*sniff*

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

XMNN posted:

lol I hadn't really been paying attention to the COP stuff so from all the talk about xi scorning the event I thought China had given it a miss entirely, e.g.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/4a960b88-39c0-45f0-8c53-9411682e5b24

quote:

Financial Times posted:
Alok Sharma, the UK’s COP president, confirmed that no country was given the option to join the World Leaders Summit by video link.

“We have been very clear and insistent on this issue right from the start. We always said that participation in the World Leaders Summit was going to be physical participation,” he said. “We had 120 leaders come . . . and some of them have made a challenging journey to come here

very challenging! we had to travel on a 20,000 ft column column of coal smoke to get here!

Neurolimal
Nov 3, 2012
Pretty funny that the PR stunt flopped, and so the narrative is focused on how rude it is that Xi didnt get suckered into the flop

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️
Xi can't make any decisions without throwing a coin in the UK air

XMNN
Apr 26, 2008
I am incredibly stupid

Palladium posted:

Xi can't make any decisions without throwing a coin in the UK air

that was in Italy because nothing says you take climate change seriously more than flying a bunch of world leaders to one country and then another to have meetings they could do on the internet

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

Atopian posted:

Let's be clear, China's motivations re: foreign development and investment are very unlikely to be altruistic.

That they are better than the US's current offer is obvious, though.

They explicitly are not altruistic. As in China literally said it is only making mutually beneficial investments.

Much better than the US though.

R. Guyovich
Dec 25, 1991

the criticism of the targets only makes sense if you don't understand that china deliberately sets chronological goals with the intention of delivering ahead of schedule. underpromising and overperforming is the norm, so you can mentally subtract at least a few years off both of those, maybe more since they're so high-profile

HerraS
Apr 15, 2012

Looking professional when committing genocide is essential. This is mostly achieved by using a beret.

Olive drab colour ensures the genocider will remain hidden from his prey until it's too late for them to do anything.



Biden's great global investment plan:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3XGAmPRxV48

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*

Orange Devil posted:

They explicitly are not altruistic. As in China literally said it is only making mutually beneficial investments.

Much better than the US though.

i think it was that gyude moore presentation where he was like "if it's not win-win, then at least we don't lose."

R. Guyovich posted:

the criticism of the targets only makes sense if you don't understand that china deliberately sets chronological goals with the intention of delivering ahead of schedule. underpromising and overperforming is the norm, so you can mentally subtract at least a few years off both of those, maybe more since they're so high-profile

yeah seeing the 2015-2020 goals being beat really put it in perspective.

Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

R. Guyovich posted:

the criticism of the targets only makes sense if you don't understand that china deliberately sets chronological goals with the intention of delivering ahead of schedule. underpromising and overperforming is the norm, so you can mentally subtract at least a few years off both of those, maybe more since they're so high-profile

This is also excellent advice for your career by the way. Always try to negotiate down what is expected of you so that you can easily deliver ahead of schedule. It’s called expectations management or whatever and will make your job a lot less stressful and also make you much more likely to be noticed for promotion.*

*May only apply if you are a white male in a comfortable middle class or better job.

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

Lostconfused posted:

Some of the comments in the video explain it

You can break up some russian names into three syllables to make them sounds asian to someone unfamiliar with proper asian names.

also, lisica is fox in slav which makes it even funnier because animal stereotypes

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

CaptainACAB posted:

There is, was and likely always will be zero evidence that Soviet pilots ever flew combat missions over Vietnam.

So I mean it could have happened maybe but what's much more likely is that the Soviets simply trained the Vietnamese pilots.

It's pure racism in other words. There's no reason why Vietnamese people if properly trained cannot be as effective pilots as anyone else.

the north vietnamese air force was arguably the best in the world during the vietnam war, they actually had a positive kills to losses ratio despite being vastly outnumbered and using inferior hardware

Ardennes
May 12, 2002

Cerebral Bore posted:

the north vietnamese air force was arguably the best in the world during the vietnam war, they actually had a positive kills to losses ratio despite being vastly outnumbered and using inferior hardware

The Mig 21 could be brutally effective in the right hands.

Cerebral Bore
Apr 21, 2010


Fun Shoe

Ardennes posted:

The Mig 21 could be brutally effective in the right hands.

yea, but they also kicked the poo poo out of the usaf and vnaf before they got any of those

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy
tbh the numbers alone don't always tell the entire story. the same is true for 1945 luftwaffe where they had good kill ratios despite fuel and general supply problems because as long as you managed to get in the air and pull the trigger you'd hit an allied plane, whereas allies had to resort to gigantic recognizable markings on wings and fuselage and there was still friendly fire and general mayhem because it was really hard to find the 5 stupid germans in a sea of allied bombers, escorts, and flak. not to say any still surviving german pilots weren't good, but it really was just a numbers game at that stage, easier to get kills when you aren't competing with 50 other people

but no, the vietnamese were really good, and not just the pilots but the ground support too. like, normally you'd think it's impossible to ambush people in the middle of the loving sky, when they have good radar coverage and a big numbers advantage, but in vietnam you'd be just insanely wrong lol. just minding your own business napalming random villages with your buddies when suddenly you're flying through a wall of flak and in front of you is a bunch of migs

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy

Orange Devil posted:

This is also excellent advice for your career by the way. Always try to negotiate down what is expected of you so that you can easily deliver ahead of schedule. It’s called expectations management or whatever and will make your job a lot less stressful and also make you much more likely to be noticed for promotion.*

*May only apply if you are a white male in a comfortable middle class or better job.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8xRqXYsksFg

mila kunis
Jun 10, 2011

dead gay comedy forums posted:

China: hey, I build you rail, roads, ports and an airport, plus we help you out with lots of credit straight to your account, no questions asked, for a symbolic fee. All we ask back is for us to trade, alright?

USA: so you want some money heh I got some heh heh look I need you to undo all these bullshit regulations about foreign financial movements, also my guys need to not pay taxes at all, k? we want 50% of your ports privatized, every airport ought to have a 20% private capital participation minimum. also we wanna an installation fee for those companies, consider it your entry price for our unbelievable yaaaas good loans, heh. btw they're so good so good that you gotta take a primary one from us with these spectacular interest rates, you just have to, heheheh. then you take another one from the IMF, because you see, the third tranche part is going to come from them. The second part is from this super-duper great private consortium of interests we are assembling just. for. you to make your jungleshit country ahem picturesque tropical wonder awesomely developed, POWERED BY AMERICA. after three years of proper payment and continuous demonstrations of goodwill by your part, such as by offering us really cheap privatization deals, we will then give 30% of the primarily negotiated value in your national account over two years, with interest discounted! isn't this the BEST. loving. DEAL. EVER?!?!?!?!

the US deal sounds pretty cool to me, a local elite willing to be bribed to do things bad for my own country

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Please make that the CSPAM background.

PoontifexMacksimus
Feb 14, 2012


As the world flocks to witness the triumphs of America's Infrastructure Week, the Biden admin's recipe for success is ready to go global

Maximo Roboto
Feb 4, 2012

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1457867838727860227

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Going to slam my head against the wall if India is one of the flagship countries.

Agrajag
Jan 21, 2006

gat dang thats hot

american capitalism couldnt even build schools after spending 2 decades in afghanistan lmao

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006

XMNN posted:

hmm genuinely not great but not all that far off what the west is pretending it will do

Developed nations committed to 2050 but, for instance, india committed to 2070. So china's commitments are not at all out of line with COP participants, even if you assume everybody is going to hit those targets.

Ardennes
May 12, 2002
At least in terms of commitments, it isn’t really out of line. The problem is that developed countries beyond some Northern European states don’t seem especially interested in hitting any real benchmark.

I mean Biden has now committed to reducing co2 by 50% and methane by 30% (actually no where near enough) but hasn’t really proposed anything beyond Tesla subsidies. I mean we know they don’t care but they really aren’t trying in the slightest.

So what is worse; denial and doing nothing or placating the public while also not doing anything of note?

Ardennes has issued a correction as of 20:12 on Nov 9, 2021

Mayman10
May 11, 2019

The ace breakdown for the Vietnam war is 17 North Vietnamese pilots to 5 American pilots.

Atrocious Joe
Sep 2, 2011

https://twitter.com/joshuakeating/status/1458162814762332160?s=20

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
Sounds like the bullying is working

Rutibex
Sep 9, 2001

by Fluffdaddy
i love this constant stream of articles about how china is so weak and cowardly and craven their economy is going to crash any day from corruption! also china is the most dangerous of foes, equal to nazi germany and they are scheming to take over the world and we need to stop them at all costs

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


"Where the word Washington once conjured the image of a confident, rising power, today it represents a frowning, finger-pointing, never-erring crank, its constant stream of vitriol diminishing the effectiveness of American anger"

well holy poo poo, projection!

dead gay comedy forums
Oct 21, 2011


https://twitter.com/MaitreyaBhakal/status/1457655436463595524

incredible

Feldegast42
Oct 29, 2011

COMMENCE THE RITE OF SHITPOSTING


Wait so now China is the cranky old man? You read 10 of these propaganda articles and you get 10 different impersonations of what China is

Bear Retrieval Unit
Nov 5, 2009

Mudslide Experiment

Feldegast42 posted:

Wait so now China is the cranky old man? You read 10 of these propaganda articles and you get 10 different impersonations of what China is

see thread title

Pornographic Memory
Dec 17, 2008

dead gay comedy forums posted:

"Where the word Washington once conjured the image of a confident, rising power, today it represents a frowning, finger-pointing, never-erring crank, its constant stream of vitriol diminishing the effectiveness of American anger"

well holy poo poo, projection!

tbf american anger is probably still very effective because america is still good at loving things up for everybody and getting a lot of people killed

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Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

Ferrinus posted:

YOU: pfeh, china is just another capitalist power that has long since discarded its revolutionary ambitions

ME: http://www.sixthtone.com/news/1006003/revolutionary-potties-chinas-toilet-revolution%2C-five-years-on

Revolutionary Potties: China’s ‘Toilet Revolution,’ Five Years On

Since 2015, officials have spent billions of yuan on a nationwide campaign to improve toilet and restroom quality. Did they get their money’s worth?

Toilets were always part of this effort, but the country declared a new stage in its struggle in 2015: a “toilet revolution” that would solve the problem once and for all. In less than three years, China’s toilet revolution saw 68,000 public restrooms built in urban areas and over 10 million toilets upgraded in the countryside, according to official statistics, with another 64,000 public facilities slated to open by the end of 2020.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/features/2021-11-05/why-american-cities-lost-their-public-bathrooms

quote:

The lack of public restrooms in the U.S. hasn’t gone unnoticed. In 2011, a United Nations-appointed special rapporteur who was sent to the U.S. to assess the “human right of clean drinking water and sanitation” was shocked by the lack of public toilets in one of the richest economies in the world. A full accounting of truly public facilities is elusive, says Soifer, but government-funded options are exceedingly rare in the U.S., compared to Europe and Asia; privately owned restrooms in cafes and fast-food outlets are the most common alternatives. According to a “Public Toilet Index” released in August 2021 by the U.K. bathroom supply company QS Supplies and the online toilet-finding tool PeePlace, the U.S. has only eight toilets per 100,000 people overall — tied with Botswana. (Iceland leads their ranking, with 56 per 100,000 residents.)

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