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Sedisp posted:Or maybe.... those are meaningless terms to most people and they just think has my life gotten better or worse lately. Worse? We're definitely in a recession and or depression. Hmm, how do I refute the assertion that American voters are stupid, ignorant, and let their opinions be dictated to them by whoever they consider to be authority figures... I know, I'll say that they don't know what these vocabulary words every high school student is supposed to learn mean, and that they selected their answer based of a general connotative connection between the word and their personal emotional state rather than actual facts. That will make them seem smart!
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Sanguinia posted:Hmm, how do I refute the assertion that American voters are stupid, ignorant, and let their opinions be dictated to them by whoever they consider to be authority figures... I have no idea where your idea of highschool economics comes from but I can at least say from a California public education haver the definition of recession and depression were touched on more by the media than any high-school course. An easier lesson might be if you have to preface your point with "technically the economy is recovering " you're probably going to just get some eye rolls. But please continue the condescension. Nothing says winner like calling people to stupid to do politics over a failure to understand the technical differences between a recession and depression. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 07:28 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Sedisp posted:Or maybe.... those are meaningless terms to most people and they just think has my life gotten better or worse lately. Worse? We're definitely in a recession and or depression. Having done some Post Pre Survey Experimental design I feel like the science of polling as a useful tool for assessment has advanced enough that the people writing these questions have at least some notion of how important it is that the questions be clear, unbiased, and not open to interpretation, lest the responses be as useless as your description suggests. If it was just some dipstick intern that didn't even bother to consider that people might have different definitions for certain terms, well that would be disappointing wouldn't it. -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 07:32 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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FLIPADELPHIA posted:I think the Party should go all in on candidates like John Fetterman. The dude is a pretty populist, pro-labor guy and he has a lot of the personal qualities that white suburban women like in politicians. No need to "fight the culture war" as much as there's a need to support candidates that don't come off as feckless dorks. Like chasing down black people with guns when they have the gall to stroll into the neighborhood!
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Sedisp posted:I have no idea where your idea of highschool economics comes from but I can at least say from a California public education haver the definition of recession and depression were touched on more by the media than any high-school course. I'm not a politician, I'm not trying to win anything, I can call stupid people stupid all I want. Rather do that than weave this constant story of Schrodinger's Voter who is simultaneously smart enough to recognize the benefits of leftist policy and see through right wing propaganda against leftist ideas and thus would gladly vote for it in overwhelming numbers if it was offered, but also stupid enough that it's totally understandable when they are unable to recognize fascism when it stares them in the face because their Economic Insecurity is just so bad and vote overwhelmingly for the party that calls every social benefit program both imaginable and already in existence communism that must be destroyed.
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Sanguinia posted:I hope you're not being sarcastic, because if you don't think "a lot of these people have warped perceptions" when you see them having a choice between all four possible economic states and the results are almost equal across all four, by definition most of them can't possibly have anything BUT a warped perception Or maybe people just think things are bad and they aren't educated enough to know the difference between the three bad ones (though they know depression is the worst one and so shy a little away from that one) and just pick one of the bad ones? I mean the choices basically were "good economy," "bad economy," "bad economy," "REALLY bad economy," and "I don't know" and 72.2% chose one of the options that says they think the economy is bad.
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Sanguinia posted:I'm not a politician, I'm not trying to win anything, I can call stupid people stupid all I want. Rather do that than weave this constant story of Schrodinger's Voter who is simultaneously smart enough to recognize the benefits of leftist policy and see through right wing propaganda against leftist ideas and thus would gladly vote for it in overwhelming numbers if it was offered, but also stupid enough that it's totally understandable when they are unable to recognize fascism when it stares them in the face because their Economic Insecurity is just so bad and vote overwhelmingly for the party that calls every social benefit program both imaginable and already in existence communism that must be destroyed. So... inorder for this to make any sense to the point we were arguing instead of one you hoped I was making over 70 percent of poll respondents would need to be chuds.
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Sanguinia posted:I'm not a politician, I'm not trying to win anything, I can call stupid people stupid all I want. Rather do that than weave this constant story of Schrodinger's Voter who is simultaneously smart enough to recognize the benefits of leftist policy and see through right wing propaganda against leftist ideas and thus would gladly vote for it in overwhelming numbers if it was offered, but also stupid enough that it's totally understandable when they are unable to recognize fascism when it stares them in the face because their Economic Insecurity is just so bad and vote overwhelmingly for the party that calls every social benefit program both imaginable and already in existence communism that must be destroyed. Idk dude people can definitely be smart and stupid at the same time, that's not contradictory. Human intelligence isn't a character stat in a video game. Whenever I read posts like this I really wonder if the person posting them has ever done political canvassing before, not as a weird activist litmus test or whatever because honestly it's pretty worthless in practice for most things, but because it rapidly disabuses you of the idea that normal people have consistent ideological frameworks or heuristics. Plenty of regular posters here haven't really developed those despite caring way too much about the subject than is healthy That doesn't mean they're incapable of understanding, it means their understanding is frequently going to be polluted by a variety of outside factors, many of which have been introduced intentionally. That doesn't absolve anybody whose loving job it is to persuade them of things of failing at it though
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Bar Ran Dun posted:Say you are center left to left . Totally in line with progressive policies. But you are a parent. A public conversion about is it moral to have children by a prominent (D) politician occurs. Oh, well in that case, sieg heil and pass the mimosas. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Pobrecito posted:Or maybe people just think things are bad and they aren't educated enough to know the difference between the three bad ones (though they know depression is the worst one and so shy a little away from that one) and just pick one of the bad ones? So the poll respondents are also smart enough to know that "stagnant," when applied to the economy should only be considered bad rather than neutral because of our system's dependence on growth, even though it was placed right in between the obvious good and obvious bad option and therefore would be the option a person would have to pick if they had a neutral opinion since no other space fit. But they're also dumb enough that they would pick "depression," despite it being farcical just because that translates to "really bad economy," if you're completely uneducated on what a depression is despite every student in America learning about the Great Depression and therefore knowing that only an actual fool would describe our current economy as being liken unto a Depression regardless of the word's technical definition. How handy! "49% of the poll thought the economy was good to neutral, 26% thought it was bad, and 19% were either obviously partisan, hyperbolic, or people who can't even process objective economic reality," isn't quite as pithy as "72% think the economy is bad," so I don't blame you for going with the "respondents are exactly as smart as I need them to be to make my point," approach.
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People are seeing millennials who are unable to move out of their parents' homes in their 20s and 30s, literally the only young people who can afford houses have a big ol' asterisk for the bank of mom and dad loaning them the money, there's literally a fight over raising the minimum wage as businesses whine about not finding employees who'll work for poverty wages, the job application process has become a sick collective joke, we've seen two 'once in a lifetime recessions' so far, and that's not even counting the economy that was taken for granted seeing unprecedented bottlenecks and empty shelves thanks to inability for capitalism to deal with a pandemic. If anything, the people who think the economy is doing well are the delusional ones. Or just the ones who made fuckloads of money off of other people's suffering, as they have before and will continue to do so.
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Byzantine posted:Oh, well in that case, sieg heil and pass the mimosas. That’s the danger. That’s why I am freaking the hell out about it. Like a little empathy and a bit less naivety and hell the Dems could have even flipped this issue... nope gunna just shunt that middle class parent demo over to the fash. I’m so tired. Why do they have to be so dumb.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Idk dude people can definitely be smart and stupid at the same time, that's not contradictory. Human intelligence isn't a character stat in a video game. Whenever I read posts like this I really wonder if the person posting them has ever done political canvassing before, not as a weird activist litmus test or whatever because honestly it's pretty worthless in practice for most things, but because it rapidly disabuses you of the idea that normal people have consistent ideological frameworks or heuristics. Plenty of regular posters here haven't really developed those despite caring way too much about the subject than is healthy quote:For it must be remembered that a working man, so long as he remains a genuine working man, is seldom or never a Socialist in the complete, logically consistent sense. Very likely he votes Labour, or even Communist if he gets the chance, but his conception of Socialism is quite different from that of the, book-trained Socialist higher up. To the ordinary working man, the sort you would meet in any pub on Saturday night, Socialism does not mean much more than better wages and shorter hours and nobody bossing you about. To the more revolutionary type, the type who is a hunger-marcher and is blacklisted by employers, the word is a sort of rallying-cry against the forces of oppression, a vague threat of future violence. But, so far as my experience goes, no genuine working man grasps the deeper implications of Socialism. . . His vision of the Socialist future is a vision of present society with the worst abuses left out, and with interest centring round the same things as at present—family life, the pub, football, and local politics. . . This of course isn't restricted to a "far-left" context. You can find people who vote Republican while having some liberal or even leftist views (and possibly do so for a peculiar reason like thinking vaccines are a plot to sterilize black people and that abortion is likewise genocidal), much as you can find Democrats who consistently vote Dem despite having a bunch of conservative views simply because their family has voted Democrat for generations and they're not going to start breaking that tradition. Enver Zogha fucked around with this message at 08:55 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Bar Ran Dun posted:That’s the danger. That’s why I am freaking the hell out about it. Like a little empathy and a bit less naivety and hell the Dems could have even flipped this issue... nope gunna just shunt that middle class parent demo over to the fash. The thing about Democrats is that once they think they have your vote, they assume you've pledged yourself to them for life and will never waver, and thus they don't need to try ever again at all. Apparently this is true even for the 'suburban moderates' they chased at the exclusion to literally everyone else.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:People are seeing millennials who are unable to move out of their parents' homes in their 20s and 30s, literally the only young people who can afford houses have a big ol' asterisk for the bank of mom and dad loaning them the money, there's literally a fight over raising the minimum wage as businesses whine about not finding employees who'll work for poverty wages, the job application process has become a sick collective joke, we've seen two 'once in a lifetime recessions' so far, and that's not even counting the economy that was taken for granted seeing unprecedented bottlenecks and empty shelves thanks to inability for capitalism to deal with a pandemic. I'm a millennial in my 30s stuck living my parents, so, you know, no argument here. The economy may be good by pretty much every metric but it's certainly not great personally for me. I just don't conflate my personal experience and feelings with the larger factual reality because I'm not stupid. But whatever, I'm just tired of rhetoric in this thread being so fixated on the implied assumption of this magical leftist electorate. Every day I come in here and see another gleeful round of "look at how doomed the democrats are," followed by eyerolls about how the democrats losing is bad because the alternative is fascists, and the unspoken bit underlying that is "this could all be solved if the Dems would just actually be left." That conclusion is raw magical thinking. None of you all are convincing me that the solution is more leftism, you're just convincing me that the situation is utterly without hope because there's no proof more leftism will actually solve the problem. At least this: TheIncredulousHulk posted:Idk dude people can definitely be smart and stupid at the same time, that's not contradictory. Human intelligence isn't a character stat in a video game. Whenever I read posts like this I really wonder if the person posting them has ever done political canvassing before, not as a weird activist litmus test or whatever because honestly it's pretty worthless in practice for most things, but because it rapidly disabuses you of the idea that normal people have consistent ideological frameworks or heuristics. Plenty of regular posters here haven't really developed those despite caring way too much about the subject than is healthy isn't someone living in la-la land because they acknowledge that Here's Some Leftism isn't a silver bullet to get voters on-side. At least when Majorian posts about the unactivated leftist voter they acknowledges that its just a theory which is why they put more stock in direct action than any form of electoralism. I can respect those positions because they're not having a party over bad things happening because they really believe good things will follow for literally no reason. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) Sanguinia fucked around with this message at 09:51 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Sanguinia posted:I'm not a politician, I'm not trying to win anything, I can call stupid people stupid all I want. Rather do that than weave this constant story of Schrodinger's Voter who is simultaneously smart enough to recognize the benefits of leftist policy and see through right wing propaganda against leftist ideas and thus would gladly vote for it in overwhelming numbers if it was offered, but also stupid enough that it's totally understandable when they are unable to recognize fascism when it stares them in the face because their Economic Insecurity is just so bad and vote overwhelmingly for the party that calls every social benefit program both imaginable and already in existence communism that must be destroyed. People swing the word "fascism" around a lot and I'm not entirely sure what they mean by it. Are you referring to an end to liberal democracy? Nationalism? Extreme militarization and state aggression? Centralized corporate power? "Fascism" has come to.mean a whole bunch of different things in.the.puhlic view and the academic one.
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I also rent but I’m not sure Millennials aren’t buying homes these days, present company excluded: You might be surprised that the homeownership rate among young familes is nearly the same as it was in 1994. But you shouldn’t be. It’s true that home prices have gone up a lot in the past couple of decades, but remember two things: (a) prices have truly skyrocketed only in a small handful of hot cities, and (b) mortgage interest rates have declined a lot. Back in 1994 your 30-year loan came with an interest rate of over 9 percent. Today it’s a bit over 4 percent https://www.motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2019/05/the-millennial-homeownership-rate-is-about-the-same-as-it-was-25-years-ago/
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Fritz the Horse posted:https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/youll-fall-for-these-five-barndominiums-on-the-market-right-now/ I have been to Yazoo City, MS, and let me tell you that you could not pay me $276k — or any amount, really — to live there, regardless of the barndominium on offer. That may be the craziest listing I've ever seen, not even taking to account that it's a 360sqft metal shed on poured concrete.
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Sarcastr0 posted:I also rent but I’m not sure Millennials aren’t buying homes these days, present company excluded: The problem isn't really being able to own a home, it's just the ones worth owning are mostly unaffordable for a lot of people. New construction also targets wealthier people who can drop +$350K on a house. There aren't many gems under $200K anymore in a lot of low COL areas when even just 5 years ago there was. My wife is looking at a job up in Pittsburgh where we won't really have a choice but to live in a developing suburb so she is within an acceptable commute distance and ALL of the new construction starts at $450K and can go into the $800K's. There are about 30 listings for anything under $300K. At this point I'm hoping she can negotiate enough of a salary that we can just rent for a few years and she can hop to a better job in the lower COL again, won't be owning a home for another decade at this rate. Thom12255 fucked around with this message at 12:05 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Killer robot posted:None of this is actually isolated to economic questions either. For nearly 30 years of falling crime rates, and falling violent crime rates in particular, a large percentage of the US population remained utterly convinced that things were getting worse rather than better. Crime is declining but the crimes that do happen are captured on video more and more due to everyone having a pocket computer with a camera and a phone app on it. So the crimes being committed are get amplified to a degree that they weren't say, 10 years ago; now in HD video instead of grainy, low fps black and white video. Sometimes even being recorded and broadcast by the criminals themselves, which really is just reality TV's gift to the world; like herpes. The 40 year deficit in mental health funding isn't exactly helping, either.
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How are u posted:Josh Hawley is not going to win running on an anti-porn platform, good lord. There is indeed a huge cultural and societal issue with men, but weird toxic fucks like Hawley are exactly what's driving it. They'll ignore that part and just hear "they don't want you to be masculine". Did we learn nothing from Turnip spewing out gibberish for four years? ElegantFugue posted:Isn't Attack On Titan the one where it became super obvious at some point that the writer was some kind of ultra-nationalist? What an on the nose choice. Someone already mentioned the Holocaust imagery but also one of the officers (Pixis) is based on an IRL war criminal.
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Fritz the Horse posted:https://www.realtor.com/news/unique-homes/youll-fall-for-these-five-barndominiums-on-the-market-right-now/ Look barns might be normal for you, but humans have slightly different housing requirements
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Sanguinia posted:I'm a millennial in my 30s stuck living my parents, so, you know, no argument here. The economy may be good by pretty much every metric but it's certainly not great personally for me. I just don't conflate my personal experience and feelings with the larger factual reality because I'm not stupid. Yeah I get frustrated by this particular collision of ideologies too. I figure to the more jaded, "the change we need isn't possible electoraly (or otherwise within our current system/status quo)" is probably assumed, yet this is where we interpret and discuss the news. I understand the frustration of people (rightfully) looking at our trajectory and screaming that it's a doomed hopeless farce, but sincerely and intentfully discussing the logical conclusion to that line of thought would probably get you banned/investigated. I'm guessing people not seeing the constant admission of impending doom feel like nobody else is paying enough attention. After all, (most) people in this thread are doing far more to understand their world and their government than the vast majority of americans. We are doing the heavy lifting of both being good informed citizens, and worrying about where we're headed. It's fine to be resentful of our peers who will not do this. In fact, ignorance, apathy, and malice towards some "other" seem to be the defining traits of the American electorate wrt politics, voting, and a broader civic understanding. I think the well has been so poisoned, the current suckiness of the dems is of little consequence as we dont want to be governed. We have no faith or trust in our system or direction, we're ignorant (or worse completely bonkers) regarding the problems we face & solutions we have, and we're happy to make a snap judgment with no information and double down forever. Americans don't have the political appetite for good things, making any change or sacrifice in our lives, or seeing things improve for others... thus the things we need to do will never be popular, politically rewarded, or alllowed to happen as quickly as we need them to. I want the people to "take the power back", but I personally don't see a majority of people who have any business influencing power because they can't be assed to even try to understand their own country.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:How has it been almost 3 days and nobody knows why half a dozen people seemed to have died from heart issues, another several were trampled to death, several dozen were in ICUs, and another 200+ were injured? My big worry here is they’re going to find the heart attacks were a result of post-Covid infection heart damage and people would’ve otherwise survived, and it’s going to be a harbinger of mysterious deaths on sports fields, at protests and concerts etc for years to come. Nothing like people randomly dropping dead of stress/fear to get the country back to normal.
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Oracle posted:My big worry here is they’re going to find the heart attacks were a result of post-Covid infection heart damage and people would’ve otherwise survived, and it’s going to be a harbinger of mysterious deaths on sports fields, at protests and concerts etc for years to come. It's most likely going to be way less of that; probably more of a too many people in the venue since that has been a thing for Travis Scott concerts in the past. The cop claiming he got jabbed in the neck and 'awoken' by narcan sounds like bullshit to me; like those cops who faint after barely touching a fentanyl pill. Investigators for mass casualty events do like to take their time though, since all the lawsuits are going to be relying on them not making assumptions, at least not in public.
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Oracle posted:My big worry here is they’re going to find the heart attacks were a result of post-Covid infection heart damage and people would’ve otherwise survived, and it’s going to be a harbinger of mysterious deaths on sports fields, at protests and concerts etc for years to come. Has there been more clarification on what safety measures were or weren't in place at that festival? Crowd surges are a known phenomenon and it still puzzles me how this happened. Most of the articles just kind of fixate on Scott's celebrity status and the death count.
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Sanguinia posted:I'm a millennial in my 30s stuck living my parents, so, you know, no argument here. The economy may be good by pretty much every metric but it's certainly not great personally for me. I just don't conflate my personal experience and feelings with the larger factual reality because I'm not stupid. You are, in fact, stupid. You've correctly identified that the economy "may be good...but..not great personally for me." This is the guiding factor in the previously cited example of people who don't believe legislature from the Democrats will help them, even if passed. They have internalized a fact that you are resisting. The "economy" on paper sure seems to be chugging along, but not for you or I. Sanguinia posted:But whatever, I'm just tired of rhetoric in this thread being so fixated on the implied assumption of this magical leftist electorate. Every day I come in here and see another gleeful round of "look at how doomed the democrats are," followed by eyerolls about how the democrats losing is bad because the alternative is fascists, and the unspoken bit underlying that is "this could all be solved if the Dems would just actually be left." That conclusion is raw magical thinking. None of you all are convincing me that the solution is more leftism, you're just convincing me that the situation is utterly without hope because there's no proof more leftism will actually solve the problem. You've made it entirely obvious that you're a misanthrope. The problem isn't "magical leftist thinking". No one is saying there's one simple trick to flipping a switch and ushering in luxury gay communism through the electoral process. However, actually addressing the material issues of the populace should and has, in the past, had a net positive benefit not only for the politicians that run on those platforms, but also for the populace you continuously and violently disregard as too stupid to be worth helping. If the situation is utterly without hope, what makes you think voting to stem the tide of encroaching fascism is going to stop it? Sanguinia posted:At least this: No one is having a loving party over bad things happening what is wrong with you (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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It's so funny that the stock market is used as some sort of public economic indicator given how little of an impact it has on the average person. The fact that it's publicized in nearly every nightly newscast and so little of the population understands wtf a DOW is really underscores the detachment of corporate media. Also, please pay no attention to the wild asset inflation. The fact that the s and p 500 has a 33% gain over the past year and doubled over the past 5 can only be a good sign of how the insanely wealthy are getting wealthier and more insane. Edit: phone posting. Cpt_Obvious fucked around with this message at 15:28 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Majorian posted:Between 1933 and 1995, the Democrats held the majority in the House for all except two sessions - the 80th ('47-49) and the 83rd ('53-'55). Never looked that far back. Interesting that the phenomenon of the party in power loses the house after the first mid term of a new president is a relatively new one and started around the time the Dems were swinging hard conservative.
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Raccooon posted:Never looked that far back. My theory is that it's the Southern Strategy finally manifesting and setting, like concrete. The party realignment started in the 60s but didn't truly solidify until the 90s. In my home state of OK, they had dem governors off and on up until the Tea Party wave. There were still a lot of rural democrats in that state until very recently, now they'll never have a non-GOP governor again. In most rural states, that poo poo is now permanently locked in.
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Idk dude people can definitely be smart and stupid at the same time, that's not contradictory. Human intelligence isn't a character stat in a video game. Whenever I read posts like this I really wonder if the person posting them has ever done political canvassing before, not as a weird activist litmus test or whatever because honestly it's pretty worthless in practice for most things, but because it rapidly disabuses you of the idea that normal people have consistent ideological frameworks or heuristics. Plenty of regular posters here haven't really developed those despite caring way too much about the subject than is healthy I'm looking for but can't find that Chris Hayes blog post from 2004 about this. He talked to undecided Bush/Kerry voters and it's really interesting the way a lot of people look at this stuff. Even this last election, there was story about this kind of thing. I remember a woman in Iowa who said she voted for Sanders in 2016, but was going for Pete in 2020, and if anyone but Pete got the nomination she was voting for Trump in the general election. What kind of ideology leads you down that path? Edit: Found it. I forgot I was searching with Duck Duck Go, which usually does not allow me to find what I want. Soon as I went to google I found it immediately. https://chrishayes.org/articles/decision-makers/ I volunteered to canvas for city council election once and I did a lot of knocking on doors and marking on a sheet that so and so person didn't answer. So haven't experienced this stuff first hand. Hellblazer187 fucked around with this message at 15:39 on Nov 9, 2021 |
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Chris Sununu has scheduled a press conference about his "political future" today. He is either going to announce a run for Senate, re-election for Governor, or retire to the private sector. If he runs for Senate, then the race is very competitive/lean R. If he doesn't, then the other candidates are all doing a lot worse than him and it is probably a competitive/lean D seat. Republicans have been trying to recruit him to run for the last year and he has a very good chance to win, so it seems like the only reason for a press conference/announcement like this is that he is running for Senate.
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Baronash posted:This probe is some serious bullshit. The mod definitely only read the first sentence, ha.
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I don't understand how we're still talking past each other on this: only 25% of people think the economy is "good", but many more people than that, a clear majority based on the statistics we've seen, have more money than they've had in the past, or haven't been running out of money as much as they used to, which are usually the conditions that make people think the economy is good. What's making people think that the economy is bad is the lowered availability of goods, and gas prices. Democrats can't/shouldn't do anything about gas prices, and the supply chain issues seem kind of beyond the grasp of our government but also like something that will straighten itself out with market forces - the question is whether we will have the following conditions in time for the midterms, or failing that, 2024: 1. People still have higher savings/purchasing power than they did pre-pandemic 2. The supply chain problems iron out, prices become predictable again and store shelves are stocked 3. People notice (1) and (2) It's understandable why people have concerns about the economy, but the situation is much better than 2009, when the shelves were stocked and the shipments were on time but the problem was just "people had money but don't anymore". And needless to say, of course, there are still people who are just completely hosed no matter how "good" the "economy" is, because it's America and there always are.
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The current situation is that going to the grocery store feels like being punched in the testicles. Trip report: an $8 pre-pandemic chicken now costs $13. Let's not forget the absurdity of claiming that average wages have risen while in reality there has been a mass exodus from the lowest paying jobs (especially in the retail and food service industry) which artificially inflates those numbers. I really don't understand people claiming the economy is fine and will shortly return to normal. The same talking heads on tv pushing this idea were also claiming there would be no inflation, then that the inflation was only temporary, and now saying "well actually inflation doesn't matter that much".
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I don't think we should ignore the effects of partisanship on those numbers. Trumpists are going to lie and say the economy sucks because their guy lost, when 13 months ago they were saying it was the greatest economy ever. I'm not claiming we should just ignore the numbers either, but like any other sentiment in the US it should be understood as a reflection of the biases of the respondents.
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Sununu announces he isn't running for Senate in rare bit of good news for Dems in 2022. https://twitter.com/marianne_levine/status/1458083198039207945 https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1458082801778057228 https://twitter.com/sahilkapur/status/1458082935916179457
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