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Herstory Begins Now posted:The current global order can be accurately described as this, yes. No poo poo, all the more reasons people should not make posts justifying it as no big deal like that guy did
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Nov 11, 2021 21:25
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We are doing it wrong, you have to go the Ankh-Morpork way... you buy the invading armies weapons... all of them. Then throw a party and everyone gets so drunk you forget what you were fighting about.
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Nov 11, 2021 21:25
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It would actually be hilarious if Saudi-American relations got so bad we decided Aw gently caress it, and made nice with Iran again.
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Nov 11, 2021 21:29
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Solkanar512 posted:Yeah, you sure showed those poor people who can't afford to drive into work! Sick burn! Yeah, the US sure does show tons of people by sanctioning half the planet. No disagreement here. But I guess keeping the huge threat of Cuba at bay is worth some human suffering.
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Nov 11, 2021 21:33
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CommieGIR posted:So a memo justifying Trump's firing of Defense Secretary Esper dropped and....wow, its a read If he ever wanted to switch parties and run for office (Dems are looking for more troops...) he could use this letter verbatim as a campaign flyer
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Nov 11, 2021 21:34
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Solkanar512 posted:Yeah, you sure showed those poor people who can't afford to drive into work! Sick burn! I'm just making fun of the senior senate aide who said that SA not doing what biden wants is like "economic sanctions" right after the US decided to impose real sanctions on nicaragua
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Nov 11, 2021 21:34
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:No poo poo, all the more reasons people should not make posts justifying it as no big deal like that guy did That's not what they did? They said this is fairly standard for what happens with weapons sales? Address their point, not attack the poster for accurately describing the mad house we live in.
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Nov 11, 2021 21:39
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Peter Daou Zen posted:It would actually be hilarious if Saudi-American relations got so bad we decided Aw gently caress it, and made nice with Iran again. But can the U.S.A ever forgive Iran for keeping to their deal and thus not giving the U.S an excuse to invade?
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Nov 11, 2021 21:44
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Solkanar512 posted:Yeah, you sure showed those poor people who can't afford to drive into work! Sick burn! That's often how economic sanctions work in practice, yes.
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Nov 11, 2021 21:45
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FizFashizzle posted:What the gently caress Why does he want to go from Congress to the lower house of the NC State Legislature?
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volts5000 posted:Why does he want to go from Congress to the lower house of the NC State Legislature? Not enough rotting trees to punch in DC
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Main Paineframe posted:That's often how economic sanctions work in practice, yes. Yes, but celebrating how it fucks over the poor is kinda messed up!
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Nov 11, 2021 21:52
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FizFashizzle posted:By the time we get to 2024, trump is just going to claim he was still President the entire time. Given how obsessed both parties are with him he might as well have been
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Nov 11, 2021 21:56
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CommieGIR posted:That's not what they did? They said this is fairly standard for what happens with weapons sales? Address their point, not attack the poster for accurately describing the mad house we live in. Well personally I think it's hosed up to frame the US government's continued military support of a regime engaged in active genocide as a ho-hum concession to realpolitik
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Nov 11, 2021 21:59
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Well personally I think it's hosed up to frame the US government's continued military support of a regime engaged in active genocide as a ho-hum concession to realpolitik That's not what they said at all though, so maybe stop reading into it that much. Please point where they justified the active genocide rather than just called it "Business As Usual" which it is, right or wrong. And by they I mean the specific poster. CommieGIR fucked around with this message at 22:11 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Stories about Lowtax weirdly ended up on the front-page of British tabloids, Reuters, Vice, Newsweek, Engadget, and PC Gamer today. One Indian magazine is investigating whether it is a hoax and he faked his own death. https://getindianews.com/is-richard-lowtax-kyanka-dead-or-alive-social-media-death-hoax-explained/ The Sun in the U.K. keeps referring to SA as "a comedy blog" and used this quote for his obituary. quote:"Something Awful GBS forum used to be fun in its heyday when he was running it." https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/16704091/richard-lowtax-kyanka-something-awful-death-news/
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Acebuckeye13 posted:There's a full article about the guy here: This guy is amazing. “I didn’t feel ready before, but I am 29 now and I’m ready.” Apparently the main qualification for becoming the head of whitehouse HR is being sufficiently old, similar to how you become a self-made man at 25 when you get full access to your trust fund. He sent a memo advocating the overthrow of american democracy in the form of bullet points (8 reasons not to certify the election [#5 will shock you!]), although arguably he simply knew that that was the only way trump would ever read it. And the kicker is that he'll probably have an even larger role in the 2024 campaign from the outset, not just at the tail end when everything had already fallen apart. Which is only fitting I guess, he'll be 32 by then and therefore qualified to be director of communications or field operations for the east coast. Hell, if he has an early month birthday he could even be campaign manager.
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volts5000 posted:Why does he want to go from Congress to the lower house of the NC State Legislature? It's a new district and the NC House Speaker is also planning to run there. Not a state district.
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Nov 11, 2021 22:09
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No updates on the BBB CBO score? There are four days left until the demanded day for an up or down vote.
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Nov 11, 2021 22:09
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Peter Daou Zen posted:It would actually be hilarious if Saudi-American relations got so bad we decided Aw gently caress it, and made nice with Iran again. Biden and Obama very much would rather have normalized relations with Iran and that’s why MBS is angry. An Iran which the west doesn’t like but can deal with is an Iran much more able to counter the Saudis than an isolated state.
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Nov 11, 2021 22:11
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CommieGIR posted:That's not what they said at all though, so maybe stop reading into it that much. Please point where they justified the active genocide rather than just called it "Business As Usual" which the usual. And by they I mean the specific poster. Describing not being partner to murdering hundreds of thousands as "some kind of principled stand" like it's a vague interpersonal moral tiff rather than a distinct red line glowing so bright you can see it from space? I dunno dude 1337JiveTurkey posted:Biden and Obama very much would rather have normalized relations with Iran and that’s why MBS is angry. An Iran which the west doesn’t like but can deal with is an Iran much more able to counter the Saudis than an isolated state. lol Obama loving helped start the Yemeni genocide under the impression that the Houthis were Iranian proxies
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Nov 11, 2021 22:12
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Solkanar512 posted:Yes, but celebrating how it fucks over the poor is kinda messed up! Who is celebrating that? Quote some posts.
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Nov 11, 2021 22:13
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CommieGIR posted:Please point where they justified the active genocide rather than just called it "Business As Usual" which the usual. And by they I mean the specific poster. I think it's fair to challenge this statement: ElrondHubbard posted:Being able to make a buck on the sales and build relations will almost always trump taking some kind of principled stand that accomplishes nothing and reduces influence with them. Reads as if the poster dismisses any moral responsibility for the US, not just explaining the POV of the decision makers.
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Nov 11, 2021 22:14
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Fister Roboto posted:You know what they're doing with those weapons, right? Do you think that's worth "building relations" or "influence"? You don't have to justify this. Once again, friend: there is a difference between "explaining" and "endorsing".
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idk how you can say they are defending the arms deal. they clearly just said that not selling the arms would be pointless and wasteful.
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Found this https://www.dailyposter.com/lies-drat-lies-and-cbo-statistics/ quote:Last week, progressive lawmakers agreed to move ahead on passing the Senate’s bipartisan infrastructure legislation before voting on the party’s Build Back Better bill, in exchange for a promise that corporate Democratic holdouts would support the latter if the CBO said the bill is fully funded and won’t raise the deficit. The controversial bargain came despite warnings that CBO analyses are rigged against progressive priorities. I didn't know the CBO was headed by a Republican. The House or Senate could easily remove him. Why don't they? Same question for Louis Dejoy, I guess.
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ex post facho posted:No updates on the BBB CBO score? There are four days left until the demanded day for an up or down vote. CBO says they will have partial scores out next week, but no full score until the end of the month. House moderates said they will vote for it by November 15th if there isn't a full score by then. Manchin and Sinema's position is 
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Normy posted:It's a new district and the NC House Speaker is also planning to run there. Not a state district. I thought Tim Moore wasn't running for Congress and it was just assumed.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:considering that deal is like a 2025 and on delivery date, the plan for those weapons (and indeed most of saudi arabia's arm purchases for years now) is an eventual war with Iran for supremacy in the region. Like they've been spending germany in the 1930s % of their gdp on military spending for almost a decade now. Ironically the yemen conflict was meant to be a test run and kind of a precursor skirmish that was meant to clean up some pesky border raids while putting iran on the back foot. Instead the KSA ended up somehow losing a genocide that they were committing. It's not impossible, but Iran would be in Riyadh in like a week
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How are u posted:Once again, friend: there is a difference between "explaining" and "endorsing". They literally said that not doing the arms deal would accomplish nothing. I know you're obsessed with a dumb post I made like half a year ago, but this definitely reads like endorsement to me.
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Andenno posted:I think it's fair to challenge this statement: They are not endorsing it, they are saying that's how it is. Its a stretch to suddenly say they endorse it. And as a mod I'm not going to read it like that. This feels like an attempt to catch a poster in something they didn't say. Move on.
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FlamingLiberal posted:The idea of the Saudis getting into a hot war with Iran makes me laugh I imagine the US and Israel would probably get involved which would change the math somewhat
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Yikes. I hate to weigh in on the rather heated debate weighing the value of my soul, but I was replying to a poster asking whether an arms deal being approved between the US and Saudi Arabia was some sort of special fig leaf to the Saudis, when in fact it’s one of the most common and reliable occurrences regardless of administration or atrocity the Saudis may be committing at any given moment and the US has always taken a Realpolitik approach of selling weapons whenever possible and has historically treated any real alternative as pointless, inflammatory, or detrimental to its weapons manufacturers.
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volts5000 posted:I thought Tim Moore wasn't running for Congress and it was just assumed. Not sure about that. Just clearing up the state/federal distinction.
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Saudis have significant shares of so many US companies, they are basically untouchable. They don't have anything better to spend their cash than pumping startups and buying stock, and that means elites love them. Add to that their grip on the oil market, and they, say can butcher even a high-ranking US citizen with a media gig and establishment ties, with zero consequence. If Covid had come out of Saudi Arabia the US government (either party) would say you're a commie if you get vaccinated. You're offending our pals!
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ElrondHubbard posted:Yikes. I hate to weigh in on the rather heated debate weighing the value of my soul, but I was replying to a poster asking whether an arms deal being approved between the US and Saudi Arabia was some sort of special fig leaf to the Saudis, when in fact it’s one of the most common and reliable occurrences regardless of administration or atrocity the Saudis may be committing at any given moment and the US has always taken a Realpolitik approach of selling weapons whenever possible and has historically treated any real alternative as pointless, inflammatory, or detrimental to its weapons manufacturers. That's really not how your post read. Talk about missing the tone, yikes!
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Solkanar512 posted:Yes, but celebrating how it fucks over the poor is kinda messed up! Fister Roboto posted:Who is celebrating that? Quote some posts. Fister Roboto beat me to it, but yeah, I'm gonna need to see the post celebrating the loving over of the poors.
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Sephyr posted:Add to that their grip on the oil market, and they, say can butcher even a high-ranking US citizen with a media gig and establishment ties, with zero consequence. He wasn't a US citizen, he was a US resident. Small point, but important.
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