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Nov 9, 2021 04:11
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You need to ditch the featherweight class But yes I do not like that the protagonist is a featherweight. He should pick a real weight to be
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Nov 9, 2021 07:27
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Flesnolk posted:Anyone in here fans of actual boxing? Card tonight was pretty fun, I feel like an Ippo that was actually worth anything as a boxer would fight a lot like Canelo. Canelo's counterpunch heavy style does not gel with Ippo at all. GGG is a more stylistic and archetype fit.
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Nov 10, 2021 00:21
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Chocolotito is the boxer who resembles ippo the most
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Nov 10, 2021 00:46
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Jose posted:Chocolotito is the boxer who resembles ippo the most I want to change my answer to this.
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Nov 10, 2021 04:03
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KidDynamite posted:Canelo's counterpunch heavy style does not gel with Ippo at all. GGG is a more stylistic and archetype fit. GGG is a good comparison, I was a little rusty and the way Canelo was walking Plant down gave me Ippo vibes. Appropriate that GGG has lost to Canelo, then :V
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Nov 10, 2021 05:40
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Why are you guys reinventing the wheel, "incredibly talented heavy puncher who uses his great balance and head movement and a closed guard to get flashy kos then stagnates due to overreliance on his power and gimmicks and retires for reasonsdontworryaboutit" is Iron Mike and Iron Mike's supposed to be the "model" for Ippo as a boxer so edit: unless we're talking about active/recent boxers and then yeah ggg is good and i have this feeling george is about to start writing Ippo like Inoue Dias fucked around with this message at 05:42 on Nov 11, 2021 |
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Nov 11, 2021 05:36
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maybe in terms of early style but I don't feel like anything except the calibre of his punch is the same as tyson at this point, nor for a very long time.
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Nov 11, 2021 05:53
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Also I was never talking about who the character's modelled after, just that I thought his style would look a little like that if he were capable of any kind of boxing skill beyond "get punched in the face and throw hooks"
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Nov 11, 2021 21:42
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Would be a very different manga if Ippo's attitude had been modeled closer to Mike's. At one point there was a supercut of most of Tyson's pro fights on Youtube and for the first dozen or so he literally just ran across the ring and started punching the other guy as soon as the bell rang. Apparently this was a novel strategy at the time because they looked surprised as hell every time and it just kept working. IIRC, his first 10 fights were 1RKOs, with his 11th being a KO like 5 seconds into R2. Every fight should be the Sendo title fight: bell ring -> Dempsy Roll 
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Nov 12, 2021 07:32
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Something like half the fights in this series open with one dude just sprinting at the other the second the bell rings
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Nov 12, 2021 19:12
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re: ippo looking like a pro fighter if his abilities were better in hni, fighters are waaaay too "specialized" compared to reality. even the less gimmicky fighters are mostly gimmick based. it's kinda a natural thing tho considering its a shonen, but a good example would be like how the story points out ricardo's "mode switch" (i bring this up cuz its getting some steam in the community rn w the woli fight upcoming). in real life there wouldn't really even be a comment on him being like, moderately more aggressive for a few rounds or something (like he did vs date), it'd just be a natural extension of the way he fought, but in HnI its like a different skillset is suddenly available to him similar to miyata and countering, you'd basically never see someone at the top level whos skillset boils down to "a ton of really ineffectual jabs and counters", to be competing toward the top you've gotta be moderately competent at most everything. this is particularly notable at the beginning part of the manga where they are like obsessive with "infighters vs "outfighters", but in reality most people just do a bit of both
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Nov 12, 2021 21:08
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if any of you have somehow not read it / heard of it, a story that actually does pretty well at explaining how people grow in athletics is haikyuu. of course we still have our "really good at one thing" characters, but it's pointed out as a flaw
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Nov 12, 2021 21:11
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An exception to this might be baseball, but yeah that would apply to the high level of most forms of competition.
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Nov 12, 2021 22:54
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its not a traditional boxing manga at all but i really like this korean boxing webcomic https://www.webtoons.com/en/sports/the-boxer/list?title_no=2027
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Nov 12, 2021 23:50
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Jose posted:its not a traditional boxing manga at all but i really like this korean boxing webcomic Ah yeah it's good and it has a fantastic troll character and troll chapter that are first rate. Gets pretty philosophical but not in a bad or tedious way imo
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Nov 13, 2021 00:31
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Flesnolk posted:Something like half the fights in this series open with one dude just sprinting at the other the second the bell rings Now imagine if that resulted in an instant KO for like 10 fights in a row. Well, that would have been boring, but also got us through the decades of pointless title defenses a bit faster. Fair trade I'd say. tbp posted:if any of you have somehow not read it / heard of it, a story that actually does pretty well at explaining how people grow in athletics is haikyuu. of course we still have our "really good at one thing" characters, but it's pointed out as a flaw I haven't read the manga but the anime is one of my favorite sport shounen series. I didn't care anything about volleyball but actually ended up watching a series of games in the 2016 Olympics because I could kind of follow what was going on just from watching the show. And yeah it is 'relatively' realistic in how it portrays people's abilities.
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Nov 13, 2021 05:31
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Golovkin won a few hundred too many amateur matches to be Ippo, I think. Ippo never wins on points.
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Nov 13, 2021 06:07
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Takes No Damage posted:Now imagine if that resulted in an instant KO for like 10 fights in a row. Well, that would have been boring, but also got us through the decades of pointless title defenses a bit faster. Fair trade I'd say. A couple of chapters ago they were talking about how Imae was doing exactly this.
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Nov 13, 2021 12:26
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my parents boyfriend posted:Golovkin won a few hundred too many amateur matches to be Ippo, I think. Ippo never wins on points. Basically no fights go to decision in this series. You'd think a literal boxing trainer would have more respect for fights that aren't just slugfests.
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Nov 15, 2021 02:49
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Flesnolk posted:Basically no fights go to decision in this series. You'd think a literal boxing trainer would have more respect for fights that aren't just slugfests. We see a decent number go to decision. Just not Ippo or Takamura's fights.
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Nov 15, 2021 05:34
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None of them we see on screen IIRC. Pretty much just smash cuts to Aoki or Kimura winning/losing by decision. But it's been a while. Volg's title fight might've been a decision? Oh and Volg vs. Sendo but I couldn't remember if that's a fight we actually see play out.
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Nov 15, 2021 06:22
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SyntheticPolygon posted:A couple of chapters ago they were talking about how Imae was doing exactly this. After posting I did remember that one Itagaki fight that was exactly that strategy, but that was the only specific example I could recall. Flesnolk posted:None of them we see on screen IIRC. Pretty much just smash cuts to Aoki or Kimura winning/losing by decision. But it's been a while. Volg's title fight might've been a decision? Oh and Volg vs. Sendo but I couldn't remember if that's a fight we actually see play out. Yeah was about to say, there's tons of decision fights but that's just used to smash cut to the end so people don't feel like they missed something interesting with a KO. And we do see a good bit of the Volg/Sendo title fight, though not in as much detail as a 'regular' Ippo bout.
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Nov 15, 2021 07:11
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Remember the time Kobashi was almost certainly going to beat Ippo by decision and then decided to say gently caress everything and got himself knocked out
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Nov 15, 2021 16:45
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canoshiz posted:Remember the time Kobashi was almost certainly going to beat Ippo by decision and then decided to say gently caress everything and got himself knocked out Well Kobashi wanting to win via Knockout had been long established with him. And he saw the opportunity and decided to do, his coach even thinking he made a huge error. He later did get that Knockout victory he wanted against Hayami.
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Nov 15, 2021 20:54
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How far our gimmick fighters have come  Back when 'winning on points' or 'holding your breath' or 'eating raw meat' was considered a novel strategy...
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Nov 16, 2021 00:21
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Cock and ball frostbite so you can keep fighting
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Nov 16, 2021 00:32
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There was that guy that later tried to beat Ippo via points. But he just kind of got his asskicked before even the mid point of the match.
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Nov 16, 2021 00:39
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Takes No Damage posted:'eating raw meat' Jordan Peterson is a boxer?
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Nov 16, 2021 00:50
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The saddest loss to Ippo I think isn't any of the jobbers who get zero characterization that he lays out in 10 seconds, but that one guy who had a name tag and everything who built up his body to take Ippo's punches and then Ippo just beats the absolute poo poo out of him anyway.
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Nov 16, 2021 19:18
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Chapter 1361
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Nov 16, 2021 20:18
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wow, this is a wr in deuteragonist jobbing%, congrats, Mashiba
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Nov 16, 2021 20:34
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The best part of mashiba is when he uses his flicker for non-boxing things, like this chapter or when he snatches the phone away from kumi to stop her from talking to ippo
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Nov 16, 2021 20:41
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Lol yeah that shits funny
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Nov 16, 2021 21:11
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Dias posted:wow, this is a wr in deuteragonist jobbing%, congrats, Mashiba He's not lost yet.
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Nov 16, 2021 22:43
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MonsterEnvy posted:He's not lost yet.  its funnier to me if i believe that until the next chapter comes out"ill never accept [it], not even just to myself" <gets koed>
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Nov 16, 2021 22:58
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Plot twist - last panel is drawn from the mat looking up at Mashiba
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Nov 16, 2021 23:02
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Aoki Jr. and his buddy are going to be in above average shape (even for Kamogawa gym) for their pro debut at this rate Kinda wondering if this is going to end up with Mashiba having another one of those "Clearly the only way I can win matches is by being an absolute psychopath" moments
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Nov 17, 2021 00:21
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I am looking forward to Ippo’s students debut.
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aren't volg and mashiba supposed to be the same weight class
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