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Seph posted:Or it could be that people don't have weddings at Dachau because it is a bunch of industrial buildings with barbed wire and ten foot concrete fences in the middle of a muddy field? Compared to missions which are generally architecturally beautiful churches in picturesque countryside. Yeah it's been HUNDREDS of years before atrocities comittee at the missions What about : The Belgian congo Reformation schools for natives on 3 continents Vietnam To name a few
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i mean there is a sitting US congressman who instagrammed his visit to hitler's villa and called it a bucket list item
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Nov 13, 2021 04:12
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not to mention the atrocities we're doing literally right now in this state, lol. the missions are merely the most visible and yet undiscussed monument to violence here.
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Nov 13, 2021 05:45
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Catholic genocide denial is pretty good goes like this "yeah we did em but it was like 5 millennia ago so who cares"
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Nov 13, 2021 06:00
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California Missions are more like antebellum plantation houses more than German work camps to be fair.
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Nov 13, 2021 06:05
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Fill Baptismal posted:Yeah but even in 100 years I don't think people are going to be getting Dachau weddings the way that they do with, say, plantations. Most people are pretty horrified by plantation weddings I think. Just not nearly as much of a majority as you'd hope
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Nov 13, 2021 07:53
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Yeah it's been HUNDREDS of years before atrocities comittee at the missions I was specifically referring to the California missions, but yes, all of those things you listed are bad too. I'm not here to defend imperialism. I'm just saying the argument "but people don't have weddings at Dachau!" is kinda dumb because aesthetics is a major consideration for a wedding venue so unless you're into the concentration camp vibe no one is going to want to have a wedding there. Missions are aesthetically nice (as are some plantations) which is why people have weddings there. They're thinking "my wedding photos are going to look great here!" not "I can't believe the atrocities that happened over 200 years ago here." Of course, they absolutely should care about the historical context of the venue, but that's not the world we live in unfortunately.
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Some people probably have their wedding at a Mission because they are Catholic and the Mission is perhaps the local Catholic church and they would like their grandparents to not disown them
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Vietnam They won that one so they might be less sensitive about it
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Seph posted:Missions are aesthetically nice (as are some plantations) which is why people have weddings there. They're thinking "my wedding photos are going to look great here!" not "I can't believe the atrocities that happened over 200 years ago here." Of course, they absolutely should care about the historical context of the venue, but that's not the world we live in unfortunately. Yes and other people have weddings there because they're racist and like the idea of colonizing places and enslaving/murdering people.
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There are valid comparisons between Nazi death camps and the Missions, but it's frankly insulting to survivors of both of those genocides to say they're exactly the same.
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Nov 13, 2021 19:25
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The difference between missions and Nazi camps is the Nazis lost their war and Californians won, so we get to pretend. No one is going to voluntarily admit to their own death camps.
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Seph posted:I was specifically referring to the California missions, but yes, all of those things you listed are bad too. I'm not here to defend imperialism. I'm just saying the argument "but people don't have weddings at Dachau!" is kinda dumb because aesthetics is a major consideration for a wedding venue so unless you're into the concentration camp vibe no one is going to want to have a wedding there. That's literally what I was saying: if the place where horrific things happened is aesthetically nice or not probably plays a major role in how the place is viewed, probably a lot more than we'd like to admit. As time goes on, the number of people who think of it as simply a nice building is probably going to go up, all else being equal. CPColin posted:Some people probably have their wedding at a Mission because they are Catholic and the Mission is perhaps the local Catholic church and they would like their grandparents to not disown them Yeah, ultimately I think that's why they're always gonna be around. The portion of people who think of it as the nice historic church is probably always going to larger than the number of people who regarded it as a symbol of atrocity.
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My ex went to Catholic school and they actually taught about the true nature of the missions. Her church was surprisingly good about trying to respect tradition but telling the story honestly.
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proletariando posted:I smell smoke in the morning, check purple air and it's 112 AQI outside. No news on any wildfires in the Chronicle. I guess we're just used to it now? You smell smoke because it's under 70 degrees out and people are wearing full polar explorer parkas when venturing outside and burning wood in their fireplaces when at home.
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Nov 15, 2021 22:33
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Keyser_Soze posted:You smell smoke because it's under 70 degrees out and people are wearing full polar explorer parkas when venturing outside and burning wood in their fireplaces when at home. Must be nice to have sub 70 degree weather
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Nov 15, 2021 22:39
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Keyser_Soze posted:You smell smoke because it's under 70 degrees out and people are wearing full polar explorer parkas when venturing outside and burning wood in their fireplaces when at home. Socal might as well be on a different planet
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Nov 15, 2021 22:40
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I'm in Roseville and the parkas are out based on the stream of people I see walking to Maidu park and all my senior aged neighbors have been burning their fireplaces for nearly a month now. OMG it's 59 out! ICE EVERYWHERE! These same people love it when it's 95+ out for 6 straight months too. gently caress that.
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Nov 15, 2021 22:43
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It was 93 in Escondido yesterday 😭
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Keyser_Soze posted:I'm in Roseville and the parkas are out based on the stream of people I see walking to Maidu park and all my senior aged neighbors have been burning their fireplaces for nearly a month now. Lol I didn't even consider what the senior living metropolis in Roseville would be like. Merely more evidence that Roseville should be repurposed as a nuclear test site
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Nov 15, 2021 22:47
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Usually my cutoff for turning my heater on in the morning is when it's under 60 inside when I wake up. I smartly remembered the forecast before doing that today, because it got up to 82 out.
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Larry Parrish posted:Lol I didn't even consider what the senior living metropolis in Roseville would be like. Merely more evidence that Roseville should be repurposed as a nuclear test site You can nuke the new areas of Rocklin/Roseville by the mall/Highway 65 for sure I agree.
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Nov 15, 2021 23:30
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Maidu is pretty rad. Last year I saw about 5 mink, a river otter, a heron, and a beaver. Not bad for suburban hell. It's a good little reprieve from the people of Roseville.
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i wish this place got cold. it consistently gets up to 80 for no good reason even when it's 60 outside unless i keep the window open constantly, which i'd rather not since I-880 is right outside and soot abounds
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:i wish this place got cold. it consistently gets up to 80 for no good reason even when it's 60 outside unless i keep the window open constantly, which i'd rather not since I-880 is right outside and soot abounds this is why the sierras are the best part of the state despite being infested back to the land racists and white flight racists and definetly not racist remote workers who somehow picked the only part of the state that's 90% or higher white
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nice avatar, larry
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Thank you. Idk who got it for me but big shout-out, I love free stuff.
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Larry Parrish posted:this is why the sierras are the best part of the state despite being infested back to the land racists and white flight racists and definetly not racist remote workers who somehow picked the only part of the state that's 90% or higher white i have questions about the people that moved to Redding, which is all of the above but also still hot
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Keyser_Soze posted:You smell smoke because it's under 70 degrees out and people are wearing full polar explorer parkas when venturing outside and burning wood in their fireplaces when at home. I have my windows open when I'm going to bed because it's nice out, and some maniac is exclusively burning Duraflame logs, which produce a smoke and odor reminiscent of pure plastic - and it's all blowing into my house.
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CMYK BLYAT! posted:i have questions about the people that moved to Redding, which is all of the above but also still hot At least Redding is sometimes near a functioning lake?
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CPColin posted:At least Redding is sometimes near a functioning lake? Lake sonoma functions.
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Manager at the fast causal place I went into for lunch just now was literally asking me and every other young-ish looking person that came in if we were looking for a job because they were hiring. Labor market must be crazy tight now. Best time in a long time to be a low skill worker probably. Small business tyrants must be getting rinsed compared to larger firms that can afford to raise wages. Which is great, gently caress ‘em. But the political backlash from those kind of people is gonna be pretty scary. Imagine that’s behind a lot of the screaming for the fed to do something to ‘fight inflation’.
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Fill Baptismal posted:Best time in a long time to be a low skill worker probably.
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Fill Baptismal posted:Manager at the fast causal place I went into for lunch just now was literally asking me and every other young-ish looking person that came in if we were looking for a job because they were hiring. Labor market must be crazy tight now. I had this conversation yesterday.... "Our support desk isn't able to hire anyone, its been weeks and no one wants to work!" Me: "Are the wages too low?" "No, the wages are fine, people just aren't applying to the support desk because its hard work and it doesn't pay much!" Me: "So the wages are too low?" "No, they just can't find anyone willing to work!" Me: .... I work for a Fortune 500 company.
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Burning_Monk posted:I had this conversation yesterday.... I bet the person you're talking to has a business degree too.
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Jaxyon posted:I bet the person you're talking to has a business degree too. Oh you work here to? lol 
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A big political economy challenge is that the people hurt by a tight labor market are going to scream at the top of their lungs about how bad it is, and the people helped by it doing have anywhere near as large a platform. And this is all wonky numbers poo poo so the people most likely to vote are going to come away with vague impression that Things Are Bad Due To Government Spending And Inflation.
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Nov 17, 2021 21:05
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is any of this desperation for "unskilled" labor trickling down to farm workers or is it just restaurants and other service sector jobs
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