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volts5000 posted:If that's the case, he was still a minor in possession of a firearm that was not registered to him. Neither Wisconsin nor Illinois require guns to be "registered"
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The reason that Bernie lost, imho, is that the media went absolute lockstep opposed to him to the point where Chris Matthews was sobbing on air that he was going to get guillotined in Central Park. While the GOP base despises the mainstream media (which is the right attitude, although they had the wrong reasons) over those past few years the dem base rallied around corporate media as the last bastion against Trumpism, even though that media's primary task is to uphold the status quo that lead to Trump in the first place. In addition, the dem base was whipped up so much in fear of Trump that the only thing the primary base cared about was who seemed most likely to beat him, so when the media told them that a decaying rapist was the man most likely to win the general they fell in line. Of course, the main problem with Biden is he is the ultimate upholder of the status quo and one of the main people who implemented those policies that lead to his hellworld in the first place, but when the entire MSM is telling you to vote for him or the chuds will burn down your house with your family inside the base felt like they didn't have any choice. The punchline to this is now that we are a year into this hell term and it turns out the Bernie folks were right, everybody loving hates the status quo and those who uphold it over all, Trumpism hasn't gone away because its the only populist release valve allowed by the system, and the root causes that led to Trump's ascension not only haven't been addressed, they have actively gotten worse. All through this the dem establishment firmly has their heads stuck in the ground and / or up their own rear end, refusing to see the red wave that is rising up to obliterate them. Now that things have steadily gotten worse even though the "adults" are in charge, hopefully people will realize how the media lied to them for months onto years and start seeing this system for what is really is. But propaganda has never been more pervasive or unavoidable in this social media age so its likely that actual revolt against this system won't happen until the rot gets so bad those media ecosystems finally start breaking down.
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CommieGIR posted:How is that possible? He was there, with the gun, how can that not be positive confirmation? The gun never crossed state lines, that was confirmed rather early on despite it being consistently stated otherwise. It was a straw purchase made by a friend of Rittenhouse in the state of WI. They charged the guy for the illegal purchase. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/19-year-old-charged-illegally-supplying-gun-kyle-rittenhouse-n1247307 Based on what I've read there is a poorly-written exception built into the WI law, intended to facilitate hunting, which removes rifles and shotguns over a certain length from qualifying as a dangerous weapon for the purposes of the under 18 in possession of a dangerous weapon statute. The explanation I'm seeing is that the AR15 was long enough to qualify for this.
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volts5000 posted:This just in: Being a minor and carrying someone else's firearm across state lines is now legal.
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volts5000 posted:This just in: Being a minor and carrying someone else's firearm across state lines is now legal. This piece of poo poo is going to loving walk, also the judge presiding, at least from reports I've read, has been nothing but a typical white boomer rear end in a top hat.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1460266347825405965?s=20 Watch this pass both chambers and get vetoed by Biden
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Peter Daou Zen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1460266347825405965?s=20 She's introducing it as an alternative to Schumer's pot legalization bill because she thinks Schumer's bill has too many taxes and expunges records for "criminals." By definition, if she is releasing it in response to Schumer's bill, then she didn't "get there first." It also only has 5 Republican co-sponsors in the House and 2 in the Senate, so it's not going anywhere. The House has already passed a bill legalizing marijuana back in December as well. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:02 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Byzantine posted:Man, imagine if Hillary had won and then got bounced out of office after the coronavirus pandemic killed an unprecedented 10,000 Americans I have no idea what reality people are living in to assume the amount of 2020 covid deaths would be any different under a Hillary Clinton presidency. It’s not like the deaths are suddenly lower in 2021 than they were in 2020. Hell the Dems barely did anything different from Rs. In fact, the CDC under Biden lifted mask mandates less than 6 months in his presidency.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1460266347825405965?s=20 You realize that even if this occurred it would still be Dems and Biden legalizing it, right?
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How are u posted:You realize that even if this occurred it would still be Dems and Biden legalizing it, right? When the Dems work on a relief bill under Trump and push for more money Trump gets the credit, when the Republicans put forth a shittier version of pot legalization to counter the Dem legalization bill brewing Republicans get credit. The main thing here is that the dems never get the credit unless its bad.
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Peter Daou Zen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1460266347825405965?s=20 The House Dems passed a weed legalization bill last year, but McConnell never brought it to the floor. Of course, this GOP bill (introduced by a House freshman with only a few co-sponsors) isn't the only weed legalization bill currently making its way through Congress: https://twitter.com/SenSchumer/status/1458177345815289864
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Lol Beto is going to get BTFO by Abbott. That dweeb couldn't even beat Ted Cruz in a wave election year and that was before he announced he'd be the gun-grabber of the right's nightmares to buoy his drowning presidential campaign. All he's gonna do is raise and then waste a lot of money from out-of-state libs, but maybe that's the point
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TheIncredulousHulk posted:Lol Beto is going to get BTFO by Abbott. That dweeb couldn't even beat Ted Cruz in a wave election year and that was before he announced he'd be the gun-grabber of the right's nightmares to buoy his drowning presidential campaign. All he's gonna do is raise and then waste a lot of money from out-of-state libs, but maybe that's the point Beto did help get a lot of lower level Dems elected to house and state positions, if he does that again, it's a good thing even if he loses
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haveblue posted:Biden should have his name printed on every joint Biden Bluntz
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I have no idea what reality people are living in to assume the amount of 2020 covid deaths would be any different under a Hillary Clinton presidency. It’s not like the deaths are suddenly lower in 2021 than they were in 2020. Hell the Dems barely did anything different from Rs. In fact, the CDC under Biden lifted mask mandates less than 6 months in his presidency. Unlike Democrats, Trump and the Republicans actively silenced and sabotaged the CDC on trying to do any sort of advanced warning on Coronavirus quote:One interviewee was Dr. Nancy Messonnier, a leading CDC official. She said she was prevented from making media appearances after she warned about the rapid spread of COVID-19 in early 2020. Blaming Democrats for inheriting a problem Trump wholly created out of incompetence at best and evil at worst (remember their great idea to "punish" Blue States via the virus? Or the mass confiscation of PPE?) all because of this mistaken narrative that both parties must be the same is amazing. It's like claiming 9/11 still would've happened under Gore or that Gore would've invaded Iraq etc.
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How are u posted:You realize that even if this occurred it would still be Dems and Biden legalizing it, right? Biden will veto if Mitch doesn't prevent it again.
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Interesting how Democrats had no problem passing a bill when McConnell could be counted on to kill it but now that they control everything the exact same bill is mysteriously taking months and months. Reminds me of Republicans voting to repeal Obamacare 40 times when they knew it'd be vetoed then oops they won and hey the votes disappeared
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Willa Rogers posted:^^^ otoh, Dem governors mastered the art of senior covid massacres in nursing homes by shielding for-profit owners from lawsuits. Exactly. It’s why it’s easy for conservatives to mockingly say “It’s (D)ifferent” because the Dem governors were openly lying about covid deaths from the beginning: https://www.nytimes.com/2021/01/28/nyregion/nursing-home-deaths-cuomo.html posted:
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The Glumslinger posted:Beto did help get a lot of lower level Dems elected to house and state positions, if he does that again, it's a good thing even if he loses He won't
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volts5000 posted:This just in: Being a minor and carrying someone else's firearm across state lines is now legal So his friend Dominick Black, who lives in WI, admitted to buying the gun in May 2020, with money Rittenhouse gave him from an unemployment check. Black admitted to storing the gun at his step-dad's house in WI, and then giving the gun to Rittenhouse the night of the shootings, in WI - they wanted to protect businesses or whatever (shoot black people) and went to Black's step-dad's house to retrieve the gun in WI. Presumably all of this was investigated because Black has been charged with providing a gun used to shoot someone to a minor, but it remains to be seen if he will be charged with any federal straw purchase charges or anything else. This negated the claim that the gun passed state lines - it was always kept in WI since, presumably, Rittenhouse knew (being a baby cop in training) that he wasn't of legal age to own it yet and it crossing state lines would be a huge no-no. Black claimed Rittenhouse's mom was researching how to obtain a FOID in IL for Rittenhouse so he could assumedly obtain it before he was of age, but that never happened, apparently. I am assuming, again, that authorities viewed the purchase as a gun trust and not a straw purchase - that it was legal for Rittenhouse to provide the money for the purchase even being underage ,since the gun did not come into his possession until the night of the shootings. Under a gun trust like this you can shoot it while hunting or target practice, for example, which apparently Rittenhouse did - you just can't own it, which he legally didn't. Apparently. I'd argue that he took possession of it that night, and quotes from Black made it appear that Rittenhouse felt that he owned it, even if stored in WI, but  Epic High Five posted:This is the big thing that was getting in the way of a self defense claim, right? That he was in the process of committing a felony which precludes self-defense? In WI your claim to self defense is removed if you are in the process of committing a crime, but you regain the claim to self defense if you feel that you are in grave danger of extreme injury or death. Here are all the relevant statues. quote:(2) Provocation affects the privilege of self-defense as follows: It seems that he is able to re-claim the right to defense because he was mortally threatened when pursued and 'attacked' the first time because a gun went off nearby or whatever, and then again the second time because he was assaulted with a skateboard by one victim and another attempted to wrestle away his rifle and pointed a gun at him. I am not advocating that this is what actually happened or what he did was actually self-defense; just what the legal view looks like to me. I am also concerned that regardless of the outcome, the 10,000 foot view is that it will be bad for The Left either way. Either a huge victory for right wing extremism that extremists will use to further repress the left in the streets; or a win for the states, which will result in 50 more leftists prosecuted on much more bullshit charges. It's all bad and I very much wish he did not do what he did. skylined! fucked around with this message at 18:44 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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VitalSigns posted:Interesting how Democrats had no problem passing a bill when McConnell could be counted on to kill it but now that they control everything the exact same bill is mysteriously taking months and months. They passed it again in the House. Schumer introduced it in the Senate 3 months ago, but it is filibustered and lol if you think this is the issue that pushes Manchin and Sinema to eliminate the filibuster after they were forced to choose voting rights, money for their home states, and infrastructure or the filibuster and chose the filibuster. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 18:31 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:Exactly. It’s why it’s easy for conservatives to mockingly say “It’s (D)ifferent” because the Dem governors were openly lying about covid deaths from the beginning: No assuming some actions by a few Dem Governors would apply on the federal level is shameful and just pointless logic dumps to try to own your enemies.
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I find it hard to imagine Hillary facing a real material crisis in her second term and not failing miserably at handling it.virtualboyCOLOR posted:Exactly. It’s why it’s easy for conservatives to mockingly say “It’s (D)ifferent” because the Dem governors were openly lying about covid deaths from the beginning: Yeah, and for the same drat reason; Dems don't believe in problems, and their only response is to smile and say they're doing all the bestest and goodest things while the bodies pile up behind them.
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I find it hard to imagine Hillary Clinton would dismantle the CDC's advanced pathogen research/warning system, silence and discredit the CDC, and force states to Smokey and the Bandit PPE Also if both parties are the same then we'd have had hundreds of thousands of deaths in the US from Ebola instead back in 2014. But we didn't. We had 2. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 18:38 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Under these arguments for self-defense how are mass shootings not effectively legal as long as you are careful to only point the gun at people at Walmart to begin with and you wait to start shooting until someone goes "oh my god a mass shooter is brandishing at me" and tries to disarm you, now that the narrative we've all accepted is that literally anything anyone does is lethal force if you are armed because they might take your gun and kill you with it. It seems to me that pointing a gun at people is likely to provoke a fight and under Wisconsin law you lose the right to self-defense if you provoke it, but on the other hand the judge is on his side and if we don't rationalize his decision then we are anarchists who hate all laws and want The Purge VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:37 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Peter Daou Zen posted:https://twitter.com/DeItaone/status/1460266347825405965?s=20 Tons of dems have voted to legalize weed, what are you even talking about? I can literally walk down the street, prove i'm 21 and buy legal weed. You can do this on the whole west coast, acting like dems have never supported the legalization of weed and other drugs is incredibly dishonest. Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:She's introducing it as an alternative to Schumer's pot legalization bill because she thinks Schumer's bill has too many taxes and expunges records for "criminals." Ah, well there you go. Why didn't you give the democrats credit for these bills, Peter?
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socialsecurity posted:No assuming some actions by a few Dem Governors would apply on the federal level is shameful and just pointless logic dumps to try to own your enemies. The first thing Biden and the Dems did was go back on their promise of $2k checks and added more means testing. Biden is the president and had the CDC remove mask restrictions less than 6 months into his presidency. This was when it was widely known delta was more contagious (unless one was xenophobic and didn’t trust scientific evidence from others counties) and delta was gaining a foothold in the US. The 7 day average deaths are greater than last year since end of August. The data is freely available if one wants to stop playing political team sports and instead be objective. vvvvv Biden is doing close to nothing and we have more covid deaths than last year: https://www.forbes.com/sites/marisadellatto/2021/10/06/us-covid-19-deaths-for-2021-surpass-toll-from-2020/?sh=2724d98b6cc2 The data is there if one wants to look ta the covid response objectively. virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 18:47 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:I have no idea what reality people are living in to assume the amount of 2020 covid deaths would be any different under a Hillary Clinton presidency. It’s not like the deaths are suddenly lower in 2021 than they were in 2020. Hell the Dems barely did anything different from Rs. In fact, the CDC under Biden lifted mask mandates less than 6 months in his presidency. Google "Pandemic + Exponential Growth" Even a 15% difference in the early period can lead to 60% reduced deaths over the same time period as baseline. Trump's own CDC director and Harvard Medicine both said that if Trump hadn't stopped many of the early CDC hospital guidelines and policies, then there would have been 27% fewer deaths in the first year of the pandemic. Trump literally just doing nothing would have saved ~110,000 lives. virtualboyCOLOR posted:The 7 day average deaths are greater than last year since end of August. Agreed. It is and people should look at it and understand it.
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CommieGIR posted:How is that possible? He was there, with the gun, how can that not be positive confirmation? He had his friend get him a gun and his friend, Black, was charged with 2 felony counts. We don't know who transported to Wisconsin or how. Transporting it across state lines is not one of the charges Rittenhouse faces. It's a red herring in this case. If feds feel they can prove Rittenhouse transported it then they can charge him with that but otherwise it doesn't matter. Rittenhouse was charged with possessing a deadly weapon by someone under 18. This is the crime he was committing the entire time and directly impacts his claim of self-defense. The judge dismissed the charge of possession by a dangerous weapon for a person under 18 against Rittenhouse because, uh, reasons (apparently the way state law is written has to do with barrel length so according to the judge an AR-15 doesn't qualify but ninja weapons do). The judge's instructions to the jury about self-defense are also specious to say the least.
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Angry_Ed posted:I find it hard to imagine Hillary Clinton would dismantle the CDC's advanced pathogen research/warning system, silence and discredit the CDC, and force states to Smokey and the Bandit PPE Bro what This is an insane comparison. Ebola has only killed like 15k people total worldwide in the last 45 years. Hundreds of thousands? Get a grip
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The 7 day average deaths are greater than last year since end of August. Not even true in the slightest as we can see.  source TheIncredulousHulk posted:Bro what virtualboyCOLOR posted:The data is freely available if one wants to stop playing political team sports and instead be objective. Angry_Ed fucked around with this message at 18:51 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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I'm saying that enough of them did it. I have enough long term memory to remember when you had people at the polling places literally saying things like "Well I really prefer Bernie and his platform, but I keep hearing that he can't win, so I'm settling for Biden since everyone says he's the most electable."
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virtualboyCOLOR posted:The first thing Biden and the Dems did was go back on their promise of $2k checks and added more means testing. lovely, but not relevant to your point. virtualboyCOLOR posted:Biden is the president and had the CDC remove mask restrictions less than 6 months into his presidency. This was when it was widely known delta was more contagious (unless one was xenophobic and didn’t trust scientific evidence from others counties) and delta was gaining a foothold in the US. The mask mandates should have stayed. Yes. It is possible to go "Biden, and the Democrats, have not handled COVID-19 well" virtualboyCOLOR posted:The 7 day average deaths are greater than last year since end of August. However, arguing that this means the Democratic Party is "just as bad" when you're comparing a situation where Trump had the ability to stop the fire before it spread and getting pissy that Biden hasn't done enough to put out the fire... It's incredibly dishonest. It doesn't take a team sports mentality to go "hey yeah, Democratic governors attempted to do things about COVID-19 while I live in a state with a Republican governor who actively did nothing".
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