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haveblue posted:Alex Jones has exhausted the court's patience with noncompliance (again) and received a default judgement against him (again) and now owes (more) damages to the Sandy Hook families. Oh my God Alex just take the L and pay them. What the gently caress is wrong with you?!
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Eric Cantonese posted:The problem with the inflation story is you have quite a lot of centrist Democrats (and the suburbanites who love them) who also believe that the Covid relief checks are the cause of inflation. Larry Summers is making himself out to look like Cassandra and at least one other ex-Obama adviser is saying so too. I said it before but people look at any cost-of-living increase as inflation. Inflation from the printing of money did happen quite a bit over the past 2 years. But it wasn't from the government giving people checks. It was from giving away trillions to businesses, many of whom didn't actually need it, who then proceeded to do stock buybacks while laying off workers and also refused to raise pay or increase benefits. It was from the Fed giving out massive loans to those businesses as well. Simultaneously, those businesses complained of their inability to do much and also about increased costs because they had to deal with restrictions due to COVID. They then raised prices of their products and services to make up for the increased costs. There are some very real logistics issues and materials shortages hurting the economy, as well as small businesses who were on the edge and/or lost their customer base entirely, but companies by and large didn't reinvest by purchasing more resources that allows them to do business. They put the money back into the stock market, which after a few serious shocks and volatility, zoomed straight to the moon. When things stabilized they didn't offer more money and benefits to vital workers (like truckers or crane operators). They didn't change policy or negotiate with unions to run docks 24/7. They didn't purchase more vehicles. They put the money into the stock market. Quite a bit of the cost-of-living increase people are facing price gouging and profit chasing. In the case of oil, it's OPEC and refining companies trying to make up for the losses of 2020 and, of course, price gouging. In the case of meat industry there is actually a glut of supply, they were given exceptions to covid restrictions (and many of their employees and legal slaves got seriously ill because of it) and they were even allowed to use disease meat. But transportation is problematic, they were having work force issues (gee I wonder why) AND they are massively, massively gouging consumers for increased profits because they have what amounts to a legal trust. And the government could do something about the meat industry besides offer capital to those willing to attempt to compete
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Mellow Seas posted:His approval ratings in the toilet because of poo poo he has no control over and would be no better if he had done everything on the D&D left-liberal dream list. How are u posted:I think if in 2022 people can get back to living their lives, declare the pandemic over, and the inflation and supply chain stuff gets worked out, that Biden will bounce back up there. Meeting material needs, and all that jazz. These may be a parody or Fancy Pelosi-like trolls but it’s posts like these that demonstrate why it is obvious that liberals and democrats do not argue in good faith. It’s clear they do not and should be called out for acting like polite republicans. The lack of ability to self reflect on the failures of the Democratic Party and their support of the Democratic Party is a feature not a bug. CommieGIR posted:Vitalsigns, the Biden tweet was in response to Trump claiming Biden would do those things, you really are making a big claim that isn't help up by that tweet. Knock it off. At best it was Biden signaling he would also mishandle the pandemic, which he absolutely did and continues to do. vvvvv it is almost like capitalism is incredible bad for the average person and capitalist like the Republicans me Democrats are in full support of it despite the incredible harm it does. It stands to reason then that defending and supporting Dems is to be complacent with the lack of action to fix this mess by the Biden admin, senate, and house. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST) virtualboyCOLOR fucked around with this message at 21:44 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Cranappleberry posted:I said it before but people look at any cost-of-living increase as inflation. Inflation from the printing of money did happen quite a bit over the past 2 years. But it wasn't from the government giving people checks. It was from giving away trillions to businesses, many of whom didn't actually need it, who then proceeded to do stock buybacks while laying off workers and also refused to raise pay or increase benefits. It was from the Fed giving out massive loans to those businesses as well. Kraftwerk made a great post about this over the weekend which I'll quote in full here: Kraftwerk posted:Just a friendly reminder to everyone that things are looking extremely bad for Biden in the midterms and 2024 due the false narrative that he’s responsible for inflation. All GOP operatives are aggressively pushing a narrative that “reckless socialist governance” is driving up prices and leading to empty shelves.
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haveblue posted:Alex Jones has exhausted the court's patience with noncompliance (again) and received a default judgement against him (again) and now owes (more) damages to the Sandy Hook families. I could see Alex Jones Lowtax’ing himself. Just spend as much of what remains of his money as fast as he humanly can to keep the families from getting it and then eat a shotgun as soon as the deadline to pay up approaches.
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How are u posted:Well yes, it's crystal clear that lockouts like China would have been entirely 100% impossible legally, politically, socially, etc. What accounts for New Zealand and (to a lesser extent) Australia’s excellent results? I don’t think their governments can be described as significantly authoritarian- certainly not if the US doesn’t qualify. Zero Covid is only a fantasy because so many countries refused to do what was necessary, and it’s not only governments with highly centralized control or minimal democracy that were able to enact the policies that worked.
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Kirios posted:Oh my God Alex just take the L and pay them. What the gently caress is wrong with you?! He probably doesn't have the money. The chuds don't forgive failure... if he loses everything to liars and weaklings, no one's going to buy his red body paint weight loss supplements. nine-gear crow posted:I could see Alex Jones Lowtax’ing himself. A verb, already? I can dig it.
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I know someone with an SBA loan that has a stupidly low interest rate that he intentionally took out the longest term possible for so he’ll be in his 60s or something when it’s paid off. And it’s allowing him to continue his plans to basically travel around the word be a petit bourgeois tycoon. He’s one of those guys who is brilliantly smart and graduated high school at 14, but then puts his brainpower toward how to get as much as possible while doing as little as possible. poo poo like that probably does more to drive up inflation than stimulus did. Stimulus pays for itself by virtue of keeping markets going when people are too shy about their future to make a purchase. The rest of it is an effect of just in time manufacturing driving goods up and the idiotic neocon “we will all be service workers” economic planning of the 2000s collapsing when mothers decided to stop working.
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CommieGIR posted:Vitalsigns, the Biden tweet was in response to Trump claiming Biden would do those things, you really are making a big claim that isn't help up by that tweet. Knock it off. I disagree, I think his actual actions as president prove that I am right: he did think Trump went too far with recommending shutdowns to save lives because he refused to even consider doing it even when it was clearly necessary. But I guess this is a mod threat to use buttons to win the debate so I'll stop. Glad we had that feedback thread lol. E: seriously I think it's really inappropriate to make parting shots coupled with a threat to punish rebuttals. Either participate in the debate and debate or mod and say "stop debating this", this was brought up by multiple people in the feedback thread but I guess it's just being ignored VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 21:53 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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VitalSigns posted:E: seriously I think it's really inappropriate to make parting shots coupled with a threat to punish rebuttals. Either participate in the debate and debate or mod and say "stop debating this", this was brought up by multiple people in the feedback thread but I guess it's just being ignored Speaking of wtf are you talking about, virtualboyCOLOR posted:These may be a parody or Fancy Pelosi-like trolls but it’s posts like these that demonstrate why it is obvious that liberals and democrats do not argue in good faith. It’s clear they do not and should be called out for acting like polite republicans. \/\/\/\/\/ Yeah I guess a natural corollary of requesting they ignore me is that I ignore them, so I'll do that. Mellow Seas fucked around with this message at 22:01 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Mellow Seas posted:wtf are you even talking about. I recommend you ignore both the people you’re talking to than continue to engage hostilities with them. I did some time ago and I gotta tell you it makes D&D a lot easier on my blood pressure.
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:What accounts for New Zealand and (to a lesser extent) Australia’s excellent results? I don’t think their governments can be described as significantly authoritarian- certainly not if the US doesn’t qualify. New Zealand was very quick on banning international travel and locking down when cases emerged. I think Australia was too. And I might be mistaken, both of those countries are much smaller than the US. New Zealand seems like they're just shrugging and giving up on Zero Covid. https://www.newscientist.com/article/2292381-why-is-new-zealand-seemingly-giving-up-on-its-zero-covid-strategy/ Australia looks like it gave up too. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-58406526
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The oceanic countries probably also have done a much better job than the US of vaccinating the old. Denmark has open businesses and no masks with a transmission rate that would be in the masks required tier of CDC guidance, but they’re seeing little impact on deaths. The the who advised reopening has said that their primary concern in determining whether to reopen was vaccine uptake in people over 50.
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Eric Cantonese posted:New Zealand was very quick on banning international travel and locking down when cases emerged. I think Australia was too. Well, that’s distressing. I guess there’s not much they can do given that almost no other countries are willing to do what is proven to work, but it’s really awful that if everyone had done this very simple thing from the start, we could have been past this ages ago.
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DragQueenofAngmar posted:What accounts for New Zealand and (to a lesser extent) Australia’s excellent results? Those two states have given up on zero covid, because the population did not want to continue it. E: also, if China had enacted strict lockdowns appropriate to the threat of covid from the start when it was only in Wuhan perhaps the entire world may not have been in this pandemic for the last 2 years. I think it's fair to criticize their lax response. How are u fucked around with this message at 22:22 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:New Zealand was very quick on banning international travel and locking down when cases emerged. I think Australia was too. Australia is shockingly large in terms of geographic size, it’s about as big as the US excluding Alaska!
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Delthalaz posted:Australia is shockingly large in terms of geographic size, it’s about as big as the US excluding Alaska! Land doesn't get covid though. Maybe you're thinking about anthrax.
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Delthalaz posted:Australia is shockingly large in terms of geographic size, it’s about as big as the US excluding Alaska! (in the Charlton Heston voice) I'm talking about the number of people! PEOPLE!
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How are u posted:Those two states have given up on zero covid, because the population did not want to continue it. Didn't Trump rush to fly back all American citizens from China as soon as they began locking the country down? I don't remember any of those people being tested either.
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Kirios posted:People here don't want to hear this but the vast majority of Americans are done with the pandemic. People losing their lives be damned, Let's Go Brandon until we can do Sunday Brunch without masks! this is 100% true. Look at general twitter, and plenty of the (I will die if I get covid you all suck for forcing us to stay inside) crowd from spring of 2020 are now going to bars and posting poo poo like "gay bars rock!" without masks on, because they got their shots. Covid is over, in terms of people caring. meanwhile we're still at around a thousand deaths a day right?
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Eric Cantonese posted:(in the Charlton Heston voice) I'm talking about the number of people! PEOPLE! I'm flashing back to the 2012 VP debate where right wingers pounced on Biden's horrible gaffe of saying Syria was five times bigger than Libya. (see lower left corner in this classic Michael Ramirez "wall of rage text" cartoon) 
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LionArcher posted:this is 100% true. Look at general twitter, and plenty of the (I will die if I get covid you all suck for forcing us to stay inside) crowd from spring of 2020 are now going to bars and posting poo poo like "gay bars rock!" without masks on, because they got their shots. Covid is over, in terms of people caring. But most of the deaths are unvaccinated people who are not likely to be doing anything preventative like vaccines or masks, which is the bigger issue, not people who are complying with medical best practices.
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The Mattybee posted:I already explained this to you, VitalSigns. "Didn't lock down" is not the same as "Critical of President Trump for LOCKING DOWN TOO MUCH". Just because you really want me to have said something I didn't say, doesn't mean I did say that. Can we not bring up people's user history when debating? Thanks. We all have skeletons in our rap sheet closet.
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papa horny michael posted:Didn't Trump rush to fly back all American citizens from China as soon as they began locking the country down? I don't remember any of those people being tested either. Also there was something involving a cruise ship I think.
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Mellow Seas posted:CommieGIR wasn't participating in that debate, wtf are you even talking about. Yeah CommieGIR pm'd me to say that "knock it off" wasn't mod-hat-on, they were just telling me to shut the gently caress up as a poster because they think I'm dumb and wrong*. Which is fair. I am often both. Since I bitched about it in public and I shouldn't have I think I owe them an apology in public too: sorry CommieGIR *my words not his, his pm was very polite
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Angry_Ed posted:Also there was something involving a cruise ship I think. That's right! There was video and pictures at the time amongst the news reporting of people walking off from ships to their lives, with no intermediaries checking anything. Amazing stuff.
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papa horny michael posted:Didn't Trump rush to fly back all American citizens from China as soon as they began locking the country down? I don't remember any of those people being tested either. While blocking Chinese nationals and basically no one else if I recall. On top of that, most early covid cases in the US seem to have come from Europe anyway. Basically Trump did the same idiot racist thing as people who responded to the initial pandemic news by no longer going to Chinese restaurants specifically.
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the_steve posted:lol Petitions? Flyers? How about getting involved in the community and being the ally of the workers all the drat time, not just every four years? How about treating leftism as a movement, not a political campaign? Every leftist movement in all of history everywhere in the world has had to deal with a hostile media, unfriendly political leaders, and the absolute opposition of powerful entrenched interests. Even in the US, the left has faced far more oppression in the past than it does right now. Instead of whining about poo poo that isn't going to change, it's better to look at what other leftist movements have done to overcome those challenges, because it's pretty clear that the American left has pretty much completely forgotten the history of leftism. The basics of successful leftism is that you don't become influential in the government and use it to win over the workers - you become influential with the workers and use it to win the government. Community involvement and activism, using collective organizing and charitable activities to forge a strong movement locally, is how you build a movement of the workers. It doesn't matter how much the media says you're communist traitors or whatever, it's not gonna shake the folks who send their kids to your community Free Breakfast program every morning and avoid massive charges for simple medical care at your free community clinics.
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CommieGIR posted:But most of the deaths are unvaccinated people who are not likely to be doing anything preventative like vaccines or masks, which is the bigger issue, not people who are complying with medical best practices. Sure, but it's still a huge strain on hospitals, most isn't all, and that's not talking about long covid. And besides all that, "best practices" would still be socially distancing, wearing masks and not going back to restaurants/functions/weddings/fun travel like it's the good old days. Not to mention the rate of booster shots compared to two shots is not keeping up, so a lot of those "vaccinated" folks come regular old winter will effectively not be fully vaccinated. There's a chance we don't double back to 2,000 deaths a day by new years/mid January. but I'm not going to bet on that one.
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the_steve posted:lol Lol play me the world's smallest violin. These are just another batch of loving excuses... Do you have any idea how many times leftist revolutionary groups in Europe got absolutely clobbered before they got anywhere? You want to know what hopeless looks like? Try Russia in the 1800s, or even just after the 1905 revolution. The entire history of the socialist movement is written in blood and betrayal (often by middle class centrists who achieved their mutual goals with the left and promptly sold them out to the conservatives). Almost a century ago left wing groups used to get jailed, executed or exiled on a routine basis simply for meeting up or handing out flyers. You can do all of these things in America with far greater ease than you ever could with organizations like the Okrana breathing down your neck and literally creating leftists organizations for you to join so they can then monitor and control you while you think you're fighting the good fight. It's also a fact that people no longer trust said multibillion dollar media empire. Hence the rise in alternative facts and parallel media ecosystems where people dogmatically adhere to their own made up fantasy worlds. Do you not realize that the OG socialists had to contend with literally millions of peasants who in their heart of hearts believed in the divinity of absolute monarchs and had strong religious convictions? Like you don't have to constantly travel around under an assumed alias, in disguise, from safehouse to safehouse to hide from the secret police. That's what people used to do and they still fought. So when I hear "But the big bad media convinced everyone" I just hear excuses. The real issue here is the left doesn't have an audience outside liberal urban/suburban circles and has been failing to connect with the working class since the 1970s. You don't have the ear of the working class... The GOP do. The left are like socially awkward teenagers trying to court some crush they like from afar without really knowing anything about her or how to talk to her. They stutter out something that at best garners sympathy but ultimately someone else with more confidence and a better understanding of how to talk to people was able to get that person while the teen wound up alone. This is not a new problem. It is historically precedented. Socialists used to go to the same coffee shop as bourgeoise liberals. They hung out in the same circles, went to the same schools and were a minority of a minority of a population that predominantly consisted of agrarian farmers and urban workers. Today it's the same. A bunch of people who went to school with the MBAs and other college educated people who support the status quo and live like HENRYs and PMCs supporting the system, paying mortgages and dealing with the economy as it currently exists. One faction picked the right field to work in and paid most of their bills, the other found lovely employment and became radicalized. Unfortunately there's a lot more people who are either benefitting from generational wealth or have a really nice life where some form of food, shelter, entertainment and sex is available to them so they don't want to rock the boat too much by changing society in a serious way.... This is why the inflation talk is gaining so much traction against Biden. People at their core are ultimately selfish and self interested. They don't want their cost of living to go up. They wanna keep enjoying their lives such as they are, and only want to make modest changes and improvements. But the moment you try to take that away from them or you are made to APPEAR that way, your political future is cooked. Nobody is going to accept short term pain for long term gain. Not unless it's so blindingly obvious to them that it will benefit them in real ways. Everything the left is fighting for is too strange and abstract for the sleeping urban liberals who basically already have a pretty comfortable lifestyle to look forward to that they don't want anyone touching.... So that leaves us with the working class. Historically conservative societies were toppled by apolitical outrage from poorer classes who began to go hungry, cold and unhealthy. It was no coincidence that some of history's greatest revolutions often occurred spontaneously during poor harvests, great famines or tumultuous political events that heavily discredited the prestige and authority of a particular government. It's during these moments that socialist groups usually gain the upper hand if they seize the political moment and are able to convert the raw desire for change, revenge and outrage into some sort of political answer/platform. The GOP have successfully done this for years because they are able to talk to America's working class in words and emotional overtures that they can understand. The left failed to do that around the time they stopped being a working class/social safetynet advocacy organization and became a collection of academics, students and well-todo liberals. Today's left embodies everything that America's working class hates from a cultural perspective... That doesn't mean you lost the working class, it just means you need to learn how to talk to them again and snatch them from the GOP as they have snatched them from the left when the Southern Strategy was launched... That's all you need to do... If it ever happens I would not be surprised if the suburban liberal contingent that voted for Biden suddenly become dedicated card carrying republicans again. TL;DR: The state of the electorate today is a reversion to the historical mean where rural and working class people are now conservatives and culturally regressive while the urban liberals are agitating for change and unable to gain any traction outside of major cities. This isn't new, it isn't remarkable in any way. It will just require savvy messaging, outreach beyond just election seasons and constant organizing and work to find the message that connects with the working class.... I guarantee that an enormous chunk of the current "locked-in" GOP vote consists of poor rural and working class people with a deep distrust of government and government institutions who have support networks built from family and community rather than government and society at large. I think if half this thread ever actually met those people they'd immediately write them off as CHUDs based on surface level interaction. But dig a little deeper and you'll find dilapidated towns and communities that the world has alienated. They're people who have nobody to count on but themselves for the last 30-40 years and they're all suffering from problems like healthcare, poverty and alienation. The GOP have found a way to insert themselves in their psyche via cultural outrage and now the left just needs to win them back by figuring out how these people view the world and framing the material condition improvements in a way that jives with their world view. That's the secret sauce and it was a challenge the socialists of Russia and Europe faced in the 1800s-1900s and overcame to some degree. Some day the US government is going to gently caress up in a bad way that neither party will be well equipped to cope with... For example, the GOP start some kind of skirmish with China and then lose a couple aircraft carriers and get forced out of the South China sea. It doesn't have to be that particular example but something like that will happen and it'll shake national confidence to such a degree that it'll be piss easy for leftists to agitate for another kind of government. Kraftwerk fucked around with this message at 23:20 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Eric Cantonese posted:This state of affairs is also giving older voters flashbacks to the mid-to-late 70s so they're really buying the "government caused inflation!" narrative. It casts the least amount of blame on them. "It's not my decisions or failures or greed that caused this inflation! It's the bums!" It's definitely frustratingly unfortunate how events lined up with the history of Dem presidents and their policy. Carter is the last "pre-austerity" Democratic president known for the inflation of the 70's, followed by Clinton who pioneered centrist Dem austerity, which became a mainstay through Obama all the way up to Biden's admin. Coincidentally during this period (Clinton through Obama) inflation was essentially a non-issue. Then with Biden we basically said "actually MMT says gently caress you" in reply to the typical disingenuous whining about spending from the Right and Centrists Dems, and while we weren't wrong about that specifically, it also happened to be a period that coincided with the Pandemic supply shock ballooning inflation. But boy have fun trying to explain that nuance to the people who've hung their careers, reputations, and ego's on "more spending = inflation go brrrr." Note that Republican administrations spending isn't taken into account because again, perception > reality and honestly just lol if you don't already know why. So on the face of it, if you don't look too hard (which, this being politics, is basically most people) the last half century of American politics as it relates to the spending/inflation debate is a closed loop that perfectly proves the Centrist Dems/R's point. Who would pass up such fantastically fortuitous circumstances to be that smug? -Blackadder- fucked around with this message at 23:33 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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Kraftwerk posted:Lol play me the world's smallest violin. These are just another batch of loving excuses... Do you have any idea how many times leftist revolutionary groups in Europe got absolutely clobbered before they got anywhere? You want to know what hopeless looks like? Try Russia in the 1800s, or even just after the 1905 revolution. The entire history of the socialist movement is written in blood and betrayal (often by middle class centrists who achieved their mutual goals with the left and promptly sold them out to the conservatives). Some of this I agree with, some of it I don't. For example, I would reframe the issue as less "the left failed" to "the system is set up so that we have a monopolistic two-party system that not only is not representative of a vast majority of Americans but is apathetic to their plight". The GOP's talent is not talking to the working class so much as successfully building false consciousness through religiosity/culture war bullshit. That's not to say that I'm not critical of the left. We tend to use terms that immediately turn people off - partly because they're leftist jargon that only we understand and partly because the propaganda against terms like "anarchy" and "socialism" have been so successful. Simple messaging revolving around people's lives not getting better and the government just not giving a poo poo. It's clear, at least to me, that neither party is going to help. They're both creatures of and by the system itself. We're nothing but sacrificial pawns to them. That's why building parallel power structures with organizations like the DSA (I've been getting more active with my chapter, which is pretty active) is a key to building leftist power.
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Kraftwerk posted:Lol play me the world's smallest violin. These are just another batch of loving excuses... Do you have any idea how many times leftist revolutionary groups in Europe got absolutely clobbered before they got anywhere? You want to know what hopeless looks like? Try Russia in the 1800s, or even just after the 1905 revolution. The entire history of the socialist movement is written in blood and betrayal (often by middle class centrists who achieved their mutual goals with the left and promptly sold them out to the conservatives). I don't agree with everything here, but in general this feels right to me. A lot of the "left" on twitter stuff folks I've been around are extremely out of touch with "common" folks. take the extreme left takes on some of the feminism gender stuff. It's very easy for the "left" to be dismissive of others as "transphobic/ homophobic backwards idiots" but some of these hot button topics being raised by the bad guys (conservative types) is a classic case of the left winning the battle but completely losing the war. For whatever reason (I was very high) I watched a series of videos this weekend going over super edits of TikTok talking about gender issues/not all men/ Down with the patriarchy videos. Now I understand with context that this is a not so slippery slope but more like a doorway to alt right/Joe Rogan JP videos, and it's garbage. But on the flip side, being high as I was, the point the hosts were making about how nuts some fo the TikTok talking about their pronouns being it/its/ none human threatening people if you don't use their pronouns ect. did ring true to me, in terms of how the average person is going to see these videos and take it. and I get it, a lot of this is very young people going through puberty and miserable and trying to work it out.. On its face, I have no problem calling somebody what they want to be called, but the level of entitlement about "this being their issue" shows how out of touch it feels to a lot of folks. And I'm not talking about trans folk. I know there's plenty on these boards, and if you tell me your pronouns, I have no problem using them. The point though the videos were making, is a people don't give a poo poo/are just trying to get through their days. So in that sense, the other side (alt right lying) saying that they're going to lower gas prices, your taxes, and stop these weirdos with all the face piercings weird plastic surgery make up to make them look like cats from going into your daughters restroom" is a gross fear tactic, but it works. Like, I'm more leftest than almost any of my friend group. I'm the hardest on UBI, environmental, the whole nine yards. But I noticed what happened with a lot of my white friends over BLM protests. They went, they were down, they did the BLM posts, and they read white fragility. (A terrible, con artist book). And then they got burned out, because they felt like the message was, "they are bad". and they don't want to feel bad. They haven't slid into being republicans, but they're grumpy about "feeling like the bad guys". And if that's my small sample size of mostly open minded millennials (ranging in age from late 30's to mid 20's), I can't imagine how most of the middle class/working class folks feel. And I think that's why the whistle of CRT came in. It's the backlash to BLM daring to peacefully protest. Of course it's based in racism, but it's a tactic that is working. I have several male friends (30's, successful, not married) joking about how they're only going to date conservative woman going forward, because more liberal women are "exhausting" and every other conversation is a fight. I don't agree, but I will say a lot of my peers in relationships, when it comes to conflict, about looking for problems, versus looking for solutions. I think everybody taking two intro to physic classes hasn't helped that either, with every friend group having an armchair psychologist diagnosing their best friends boyfriend/girlfriend as a narcissist/psychopath when maybe it was just a bad fight they were just being a jerk. Now the thread can just dunk on me that maybe I have lovely friends, or that because I watched a transphobic YouTube channel video I'm also terrible, but the point I"m trying to make is that folks online constantly time and time again overestimate how much sentiment has changed towards the "progressive way of thinking" versus where the population actually is. And I say that as someone who thinks D&D is in general way too neoliberal when it comes to things like Covid and the environment. We're in the middle of modern Rome falling, and that's fascinating to live in. I don't think any one or done policies will fix any of this. UBI would be nice because everyone could enjoy staying home doing hobbies/playing video games reading until climate change swallows us all up/we get horrible oppressed by fascists who will probably take over in the next 5-15 years. LionArcher fucked around with this message at 23:41 on Nov 15, 2021 |
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theCalamity posted:Isn’t the other reconciliation bill or BIF or BBB or whatever gently caress other bill supposed to be voted on today? It was the BBB and yes. Instead they're doing a big ceremony for the lovely highway bill and pretending it's historic
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Nov 15, 2021 23:43
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Steve Bannon wants to take down the BIDEN OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT Big talk from a guy who was crashing on a communist couch
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Nov 15, 2021 23:43
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WAR CRIME GIGOLO posted:Steve Bannon wants to take down the BIDEN OCCUPIED GOVERNMENT he'll be doing his bin laden thing long after we're all dead
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Nov 15, 2021 23:54
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Zotix posted:How long do you guys think the Rittenhouse jury is going to deliberate for? 30 minutes. They only need 1 minute but t least one juror will say "maybe we shouldn't be too quick about it"
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