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etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Danann posted:

Really surreal how it's all American guns and vehicles too except for the helicopter.

Mainly because the Soviet helicopters ended up being much easier to maintain and ANA defectors had more experience how to maintain them / parts in stock compared to Blackhawk helicopters

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Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007

Danann posted:

Really surreal how it's all American guns and vehicles too except for the helicopter.

Boss, they have a HIND-D!

Love Stole the Day
Nov 4, 2012
Please give me free quality professional advice so I can be a baby about it and insult you
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ytcuSFCYJE

Mister Bates
Aug 4, 2010

etalian posted:

Mainly because the Soviet helicopters ended up being much easier to maintain and ANA defectors had more experience how to maintain them / parts in stock compared to Blackhawk helicopters

the US deliberately did not train Afghans to maintain the aircraft they supplied to the Afghan Air Force, forcing them to rely on US private contractors to keep everything running

these contractors of course all left as soon as they saw the writing on the wall

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Mister Bates posted:

the US deliberately did not train Afghans to maintain the aircraft they supplied to the Afghan Air Force, forcing them to rely on US private contractors to keep everything running

these contractors of course all left as soon as they saw the writing on the wall

Yeah the same thing happened in Iraq after Lockheed Martin decided to take their specialized contractor teams out of the nation.

All the fancy gear the Iraqis bought for their airforce either became usable or had a massive drop in mission availability.

Some investigation into this failed aspect of the ANA not surprising found it was US defense contractors who lobbied for this plan obviously for $$$ reasons even
though it left the ANA with overly complex equipment not optimized for the operating environment.

US-style Colonialism working as intended!

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

Mister Bates posted:

the US deliberately did not train Afghans to maintain the aircraft they supplied to the Afghan Air Force, forcing them to rely on US private contractors to keep everything running

these contractors of course all left as soon as they saw the writing on the wall

the us military needs those contractors to maintain the same equipment. a

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

wow i didn't know even pentagon is assadist now

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

Truga posted:

wow i didn't know even pentagon is assadist now

is this bappin? it feels like this is bappin

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Truga posted:

wow i didn't know even pentagon is assadist now

the virgin helicopter barrel bomb vs the Chad US Warcrime airstrike

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Gresh posted:

still loling at how loving hard the US got owned in Afghanistan

https://twitter.com/Reuters/status/1459955037350756354

Lmfao

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



man trump never got his military parade and now the taliban get the one he always wanted with american APCs and everything

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

Shear Modulus posted:

man trump never got his military parade and now the taliban get the one he always wanted with american APCs and everything

:trumppop:

also, the profit model for vendors of military hardware which actually see use is after-purchase maintenance. exclusivity on both parts and certifying technicians for installing them. they do it to prey on US military spending, but they'll take anyone's!

this is widely believed in the non-CHUD veteran community to be the reason why all of our vehicles are hot garbage which break down all the time: basically planned obsolescence but for war machines

Spergin Morlock
Aug 8, 2009

did anyone ever find a copy of the video where the afghan dude lifts a panel on a helicopter and goes 'mehhhh'?

bedpan
Apr 23, 2008

Spergin Morlock posted:

did anyone ever find a copy of the video where the afghan dude lifts a panel on a helicopter and goes 'mehhhh'?

omg lmao that was a tremendous video. thanks for reminding me.

it was in a tweet, if that helps. probably posted in this thread.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

man trump never got his military parade and now the taliban get the one he always wanted with american APCs and everything

Maybe the Taliban read hit self help book "The Art of the Deal" ?

LonsomeSon posted:

:trumppop:

also, the profit model for vendors of military hardware which actually see use is after-purchase maintenance. exclusivity on both parts and certifying technicians for installing them. they do it to prey on US military spending, but they'll take anyone's!

this is widely believed in the non-CHUD veteran community to be the reason why all of our vehicles are hot garbage which break down all the time: basically planned obsolescence but for war machines

Meanwhile glorious slav products like the famous AK rifles are designed to operate in the most challenging conditions without issue.

A lot of the more practical Russian / Soviet concepts was driven by how they realized their design philosophy was making simpler more reliable things that could be kept running by conscripts / people with a lower level of education.

Western equipment was often intentionally designed to require a army of specialists to keep running.

etalian has issued a correction as of 12:08 on Nov 17, 2021

fits my needs
Jan 1, 2011

Grimey Drawer
https://twitter.com/carolinesimon66/status/1461004295277449228?s=20

etalian
Mar 20, 2006


When your colonialism / military adventure ends in complete humiliation



The date was months in advance but everyone on the Beltway side assumed it would get cancelled / delayed

quote:

Their stories are a testament to the U.S. government’s lack of preparedness for the cratering security situation, even as President Joe Biden pushed through his decision to withdraw troops from Afghanistan by Aug. 31.

“This experience broke a lot of people, including me,” a second State Department official said. “We were all getting inundated by personal requests to help specific people from everyone we’ve ever known or worked with. And we were powerless to do anything, really. Feeling like you’re supposed to be the government’s 911, but knowing the call for help didn’t go very far beyond you was extremely demoralizing.”

It was, as yet another State official put it, “like we were throwing grains of sand into the ocean.”

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

etalian posted:

When your colonialism / military adventure ends in complete humiliation



The date was months in advance but everyone on the Beltway side assumed it would get cancelled / delayed

trump negotiated it in february 2020. so they had 18 months

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

hobbesmaster posted:

trump negotiated it in february 2020. so they had 18 months

maybe the Cubans should drive by them to deliver a broke brains double tap with that mind ray weapon?

Azathoth
Apr 3, 2001

etalian posted:

When your colonialism / military adventure ends in complete humiliation



The date was months in advance but everyone on the Beltway side assumed it would get cancelled / delayed

Jim Jones' White Nights but instead of mass suicide its withdrawing from Afghanistan.

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

hobbesmaster posted:

trump negotiated it in february 2020. so they had 18 months

I used to think it was prions. I think I should probably add microplastics and plastic poisoning.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Azathoth posted:

Jim Jones' White Nights but instead of mass suicide its withdrawing from Afghanistan.

Why Would finding out that the US is slow-moving ineffective nation state break peoples minds?

Also did they think the US would also try to fast-track the saving the various collaborators who worked for the failed central government?

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
I agree that the state department dweebs were the government's 9/11

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



hobbesmaster posted:

trump negotiated it in february 2020. so they had 18 months

biden really should have publicly fired a few generals for loving it up so bad. some big public display like they did with the mcchrystal firing would have been more than appropriate

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

Hey, I've been avoiding politics like the plague so I don't know anything. Has Trump ever shut up? Is he gonna run for president again? Please don't make me go to teh Trump thread.

Shear Modulus
Jun 9, 2010



they took away his twitter account and nobody outside of fox and the various fringe right wing outlets are giving him interviews or covering his rallies which mostly shut him up except for in the minds of diehard true believers who think the media is part of a grand conspiracy to steal the election from him and silence him

yes he's going to run again as long as he's not dead. he hasn't said it but he's going to.

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Shear Modulus posted:

biden really should have publicly fired a few generals for loving it up so bad. some big public display like they did with the mcchrystal firing would have been more than appropriate

The US military apparently rarely does the old relief system anymore that was used in WWII:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZWxxZ2JGE&t=3158s

So like corporate America it's now failing to the top.

LonsomeSon
Nov 22, 2009

A fishperson in an intimidating hat!

etalian posted:

Meanwhile glorious slav products like the famous AK rifles are designed to operate in the most challenging conditions without issue.

WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY poo poo STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO gently caress YOURSELF IN rear end in a top hat FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU gently caress IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB poo poo PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

LonsomeSon posted:

WHY YOU WANT RAIL FOR KALASHNIKOV? IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH AS PROCURED FROM IZHEVSK MECHANICAL WORKS? YOU THINK NEEDS IMPROVEMENT? THEN MAYBE YOU FIND JOB WITH ARMY OF RUSSIA! YOU HAVE DRINKS WITH MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, TRADE STORY OF MANY WEAPONS DESIGNED AND DETAILS OF SCHOOL FOR ENGINEERING!

OR MAYBE YOU NOT DO THIS. PROBABLY IS BECAUSE YOU NEVER DESIGN WEAPON IN WHOLE LIFE. YOU LOOK AT FINE RUSSIAN RIFLE, THINK IT NEED CRAZY poo poo STICK ON ALL SIDES OF WEAPON. YOU HAVE DISEASE OF AMERICAN CAPITALIST, CHANGE THING THAT IS FINE FOR NO REASON EXCEPT TO LOOK DIFFERENT FROM COMRADE. YOU PUT CHEAP FLASHLIGHT OF CHINESE SLAVE FACTORY ON ONE SIDE, YOU PUT BAD SCOPE OF AMERICAN MIDDLE WEST ON OTHER SIDE, YOU PUT FRONT PISTOL GRIP ON BOTTOM SO YOU ARE LIKE AMERICAN MOVIE GUY JOHN RAMBO. MAYBE YOU PUT SEX DILDO ON TOP TO gently caress YOURSELF IN rear end in a top hat FOR MAKING SHAMEFUL TRAVESTY OF RIFLE OF MIKHAIL KALASHNIKOV, NO?

RIFLE IS FINE. YOU gently caress IT, IT ONLY GET HEAVY AND YOU STILL NO HIT LARGEST SIDE OF BARN. GO TO FIRING RANGE, PRACTICE WITH MANY MAGAZINE OF CARTRIDGE. THEN YOU NOT NEED DUMB poo poo PUT ON SIDE OF RIFLE

When it stops shooting just find a nearby table

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io7Zztghdno&t=606s

petit choux
Feb 24, 2016

etalian posted:

When it stops shooting just find a nearby table

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io7Zztghdno&t=606s

Just bang on that fucker like it's my alternator.

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

etalian posted:

The US military apparently rarely does the old relief system anymore that was used in WWII:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AxZWxxZ2JGE&t=3158s

So like corporate America it's now failing to the top.

jesus letterman really let himself go

Vomik
Jul 29, 2003

This post is dedicated to the brave Mujahideen fighters of Afghanistan

think its bad when your whole family gets blown away by a drone missile at your kids birthday party? imagine how the people who have to write reports about it later feel, for once.

Vim Fuego
Jun 1, 2000

Ultra Carp

Shear Modulus posted:

biden really should have publicly fired a few generals for loving it up so bad. some big public display like they did with the mcchrystal firing would have been more than appropriate

but we might run out of generals, it's not like we have hundreds of them just lying around soaking up money and fantasizing about killing

Nix Panicus
Feb 25, 2007


Americans will invade your country and then make movies about how killing your people made their soldiers sad

Nothus
Feb 22, 2001

Buglord
https://twitter.com/CNN/status/1461318279314743299?t=1X-0gpyqYUSYpcv3dzxMEQ&s=19

Lol

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Nix Panicus posted:

Americans will invade your country and then make movies about how killing your people made their soldiers sad

Frankie Boyle is really good.

hot witch divorcee
Jan 4, 2021

is that a tower in your pants or are you just happy to see me

Vim Fuego posted:

but we might run out of generals, it's not like we have hundreds of them just lying around soaking up money and fantasizing about killing

but designated survivor taught me that there's only one general and the president is showing poor statesmanship when he fires him for being a bloodthirsty dipshit because the plot will demand the president hire him back later requiring his unique expertise in a come to genocidal jesus moment

Mr. Lobe
Feb 23, 2007

... Dry bones...


etalian posted:

Frankie Boyle is really good.

Wasn't he anticorbyn or some poo poo

etalian
Mar 20, 2006

Mr. Lobe posted:

Wasn't he anticorbyn or some poo poo

most of his rage was more targeted at how ineffective Labour had become and Labour getting bulldozed by the right wing tories / Bojo in the more recent political matches.

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2019/dec/07/frankie-boyle-election-countdown-praying-prorogue-next-parliament

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Animal-Mother
Feb 14, 2012

RABBIT RABBIT
RABBIT RABBIT
If you'd told a young me back in the winter of 2001/2002 that the American military was going to be defeated by the Taliban... Well, I don't know what I'd think about that, really. We were constantly inundated with propaganda about these guys being backwards, backwoods, cave-dwelling illiterates.

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