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Lungboy posted:Has anyone retrained in their 40s or later? Seriously unhappy at my current job so am considering an apprenticeship but it's very scary throwing away a permanent job that pays relatively well for something I think i might like but really have no idea. I did it twice - late 30s was made redundant (willingly - I was on the brink of quitting my job when a round of redundancies were announced), then went to do a PhD on a research grant. After that, another job paying 88th percentile by around 2006/7 and decided to quit and more or less on a whim go and live abroad for a few years - I did retrain for another career (which could be done over the interwebs - but not computer touching) and while I haven't yet recouped the retraining outlay (approx £15k) I found the training itself as well as the work I've done enormously satisfying and don't regret it for a minute. Now, prompted along by covid and it's financial effects, I'm working part-time doing finance and admin for a small, local charity. My recommendation before doing anything drastic is make yourself as financially sound as you can by reducing all your compulsory outgoings to the minimum possible while you still have the job for whatever credit searches companies do on you (particularly if you want to remortgage to lower your monthly outgoings - if you try and do that after quitting it will be very difficult). Do you need a paid for sky when there's plenty to see on freesat or on the net, go through all your finances with a toothcomb and figure out how to reduce everything to the minimum.) Catte tax: Iammoshow the cat rapper https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qV2PUT4V22w Jaeluni Asjil fucked around with this message at 22:33 on Nov 17, 2021 |
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Lungboy posted:Not fully decided yet but motorcycle mechanic is top of my list with electrician second. If you want a guaranteed career go down the electrician route. Motorcycle mechanics are not in demand at all. Everyone will need electricians.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:32
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Lungboy posted:Not fully decided yet but motorcycle mechanic is top of my list with electrician second. I was seriously considering doing the same recently. One of the people at work is a retired electrician, and I talked to him about the subject. The thing that put me off was the amount of time the correct qualifications would take. 3-5 years to get a qualification that's actually worth the paper it's written on. I do have a semi-serious fallback option of setting up as a kitchen fitter if the company I work at goes under, though.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:35
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Lungboy posted:Not fully decided yet but motorcycle mechanic is top of my list with electrician second. Yeah do electrician. One of my brothers did that and it's always handy. He keeps his credentials up even though it's not his main job at the moment.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:35
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I did my electrical apprenticeship in my late 20's and there were three guys older than me in my class retraining from other lines of work. Former cab driver, a production line dude and a doorman. As long as your assignment stuff and portfolio submissions go in on time the teachers are generally too tied up chasing around after the younger guys to do their key skills stuff to bother you too much. It was a lot of self-driven work which was new to me at the time, but I'm glad I did it. You can PM me for the tedious details if it interests you.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:36
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serious gaylord posted:If you want a guaranteed career go down the electrician route. Motorcycle mechanics are not in demand at all. Everyone will need electricians. Seconding that. I work for a kitchen and bathroom showroom, and we can't get enough decent electricians. There's a fairly high initial investment in tools and transport, but a half-decent electrician can ask £25+ an hour without blinking even in the middle of nowhere. The main requirement is actually turning up when you say you will
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I don't think I can do electrician cos I'm quite badly colourblind lol.
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OwlFancier posted:I don't think I can do electrician cos I'm quite badly colourblind lol. There's a similar reason why I probably wouldn't make a good gas engineer.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:45
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there's a full time lamper employed in my building to change light bulbs. Admittedly it's a pretty big building and there's a lot of light bulbs, but a 33k salary to change lightbulbs seems pretty good
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kecske posted:there's a full time lamper employed in my building to change light bulbs. Admittedly it's a pretty big building and there's a lot of light bulbs, but a 33k salary to change lightbulbs seems pretty good Also don't think i could do that because I've seen where they put the loving things on some buildings and no way am I climbing up that far.
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Just Another Lurker posted:'They are unwilling to pay a higher price for the bread rolls' would be my take on things. Aye when it comes to veggies just pop down to Clive's in Newtownards and he'll sort you out with fresher, crisper, juicier veg than anything you'd find in the UK.
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Nov 17, 2021 22:54
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https://twitter.com/AdamBienkov/status/1461089566417379331?s=19 Quite pathetic considering how craven Laura already is.
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Thanks for all the tips. If I was going to do this I'd want I tto be something I love rather than just because it will make more money. My wife works and has a decent job too and we don't live extravagantly so I would be ok with the mechanic job even if it pays a fair bit less. The main draw to the bike mechanic (other than loving motorbikes and loving fixing stuff) is that some of the big manufacturers have bespoke apprenticeship schemes in their dealerships that lead into jobs, rather than going to an FE college and hoping to find a job at the end.
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Electricians are a good future proof pick. More and more things in life are switching over to electricity- EV charging, heat pumps and induction hobs are all recent developments in that direction. In the same way that plumbers do everything that goes through pipes, sparkies will also often get asked to install anything that goes down a cable. Ours is wiring in Cat 6 and coax for the telly aerial at the same time as the 240v. You can always go back to the permanent job if you don't like it?
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Endjinneer posted:You can always go back to the permanent job if you don't like it? Incredibly unlikely, it's a very specialist niche role that doesn't come up very often nationally, let alone locally. Plus if my manager is still there I wouldn't want to go back as she's the catalyst for me wanting out. I actually like my current job but the last 6 months have been hell.
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Perhaps you could combine the two and become an electric vehicle mechanic? I gather they are a bit short of them at the moment.
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Ms Adequate posted:Aye when it comes to veggies just pop down to Clive's in Newtownards and he'll sort you out with fresher, crisper, juicier veg than anything you'd find in the UK. At the heavy cost of going to Newtownards.
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Jedit posted:Tell us more about these genocides and rapes that were actually moral. Provide examples. oh boy do I have a webcomic rec for you
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sinky posted:At the heavy cost of going to Newtownards. Yeah now that Harry's is long long gone it's not got a lot going for it. The mall is a nice wee place and the market in the town square is good though. I wonder if yer man still does his burgers there...
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The DNO’s and TO’s are haemorrhaging staff to old Father Time and contracting firms, if being outdoors suits you then look into their schemes for stuff. Decent money the other side of it.
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JoylessJester posted:Hi, This didn't happen btw. I don’t find that massively persuasive, to be honest. The key quote is ‘anti-colonialism is not genocide’. What is that supposed to mean other than ‘they were the good guys, so therefor cannot have done bad things’? And then there is a lot of emphasis on a census which showed lots of white people alive in one city in 1804, while not seeming to see any need so show they were _still_ alive in 1805. When the claim of historians like Girard is that the massacres were not spontaneous but specifically ordered city-by-city. But ok, you do find it persuasive, and so think it didn’t happen. Why is it you feel the need to disagree with me, who quite frankly doesn’t have any kind of invested opinion on this ? But not with the person who thinks the genocide definitely happened and definitely was a good thing? Do you really see both arguments as two sides of the same coin? radmonger fucked around with this message at 00:42 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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radmonger posted:I don’t find that massively persuasive, to be honest. The key quote is ‘anti-colonialism is not genocide’. What is that supposed to mean other than ‘they were the good guys, so therefor cannot have done bad things’? And then there is a lot of emphasis on a census which showed lots of white people alive in one city in 1804, while not seeming to see any need so show they were _still_ alive in 1805. When the claim of historians like Girard is that the massacres were not spontaneous but specifically ordered city-by-city. Either outright state your views on the Haitian revolution and who exactly you're accusing of killing what ethnic or social groups, or, preferably, shut the gently caress up.
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Radmonger has powerful "ronya if you hit ronya in the head with a brick & did permanent brain damage" energy
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https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/british-f35-jet-crashes-into-mediterranean So is there a five-year warranty on these or
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Real Cool Catfish posted:https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/nov/17/british-f35-jet-crashes-into-mediterranean Ah well. They’re only 100 million dollars each
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My uncle retrained from, err, criminal, to being an electrician in his 40s or early 50s. Seriously, he was in and out of prison for years for theft and burglary and stupid stuff, but he cleaned himself up and trained as a sparky and sorted his life right out.
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Tesseraction posted:Either outright state your views on the Haitian revolution and who exactly you're accusing of killing what ethnic or social groups, or, preferably, shut the gently caress up. This is probably a bad idea and I generally don't like radmonger either (at least, I have him on ignore, so I assume not, my memory isn't too great), but I'll bite. The historian Philippe Girard writes that having won the military victory in November of 1803, Dessalines, the leader of the revolution, guaranteed the safety of the white civilian population, but still held the belief that they'd try to leave the country to get help from foreign forces. At the start of 1804, he gave the order that all whites in Haiti's cities were to be put to death, preferably using silent weapons like knives to avoid alerting them and giving them a chance to escape. According to Girard, Dessalines then spent February and March traveling from city to city to ensure that his order was carried out, and usually found that it wasn't until he got there. On arrival in a city, he'd speak at length about the crimes of the French governors, then demand that his order be followed and the whites killed. Girard says that he ordered unwilling participants to join in the massacre, especially those of mixed race, so that the black population couldn't solely be blamed for the killings. After he left a city, he would announce amnesty for any white people in that city who had survived by hiding, but when they emerged they were killed regardless. In April, Dessalines proclaimed "We have given these true cannibals war for war, crime for crime, outrage for outrage. Yes, I have saved my country, I have avenged America." His secretary is quoted as saying "For our declaration of independence, we should have the skin of a white man for parchment, his skull for an inkwell, his blood for ink, and a bayonet for a pen!" The Washington Post article refutes this by citing two pieces of evidence. Firstly, a copy of an order from Dessalines in which he orders only the killings of those who actively participated in the crimes of Le Clere and Rochambeau, and says that if anyone is killed without proof of their complicity, their fate will be visited on the one who carried it out. This order is dated the 29th of February 1804, and the copy of it they show was sent to a Philadelphia newspaper by B. Aime, who was some manner of secretary, along with a note that he was sending it to them explicitly for the purpose of countering claims that Dessalines was indiscriminately massacring white people. As a single piece of evidence, this could form part of a compelling case, but by itself it is not a refutation. Firstly, Girard claims the initial order was given in January, which as you may know comes before February. That's a discrepancy that would need to be explained by other evidence. Secondly, official documentation of an order (or lack of it) does not show whether that order was carried out or not. Infamously, Holocaust deniers like to claim there's no paper trail connecting Hitler to the mass killings of the Nazis, but even if that's true anyone with half a brain knows he was still responsible for them. Thirdly... Come on. It's a document sent to a foreign newspaper in order to change the narrative and win support. It's propaganda. It may or may not be truthful propaganda, but it is propaganda. Their second piece of evidence is one partial census of one district from October of 1804. Firstly, the massacre was concluded by April, and a lot can happen in six months. Secondly, yes, Girard acknowledges that not literally every white person was killed. Some survived, and some were permitted to remain by virtue of their connections to the new government, possessing useful skills, or having married a non white person. To claim that this proves a genocide didn't take place requires the same logical leap that modern day wingnuts like Stefan Molyneux (Shaun video) use to "debunk" the Native American genocide - we didn't get them all, so how can you call it genocide?!!!! Backgammon lieberals  However, the more concerning thing in the Post's refutation is the last couple of sentences: "Such claims also downplay the violence of colonialism. Settlers were enslavers, and as historian Vincent Brown has shown, slavery was war. Anti-colonialism is not genocide." This is a very worrying train of thought. If settlers were enslavers, and slavery is war, then no settlers can be civilians, so killing them wouldn't be a civilian death. And how do you tell who the settlers are...? Look, mass killings based on ethnicity or race are genocide, regardless of what the situation was beforehand. If it happened the way Girard says it did, in the narrative this article's author has failed to disprove, then were the killings an act of anti-colonialism? Yeah, probably. Black people weren't native to Haiti either, but they were there because they'd been brought there by whites who'd colonised Africa, close enough. But that doesn't stop what happened being genocide. The argument being presented by this article's writer isn't really that a genocide didn't happen - I think they know their evidence is too flimsy to actually show that. What they're really saying (although they carefully stop short of making the final connection that would make this view too obvious to publish) is that we shouldn't call it genocide because it doesn't count if you do it to white people, because white people outside Europe are by definition an invading, occupying army. That's where their logic goes. If more compelling evidence that there was no genocide exists, or at least if Philippe Girard can be shown to be some kind of serial liar or something, I'd love to see it. It wouldn't change how concerning that last bit of the WaPo article is, but it would be nice to know that history had just a little bit less evil in it. And if any of my reasoning is faulty please do point that out, I'm always open to the idea I've missed something that's right in front of me. Dabir fucked around with this message at 08:13 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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This discussion might actually be worth spinning off into a separate thread to try and bring in some non UK historian goons who might know more, but I can't do that from my phone so
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Its 7am dude I'm not reading all that
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Sometimes I randomly remember that the home office apprenticeship mini was matched with had zero qualifications needed but “must have a robust personality” and now you do too.
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I read it instead of being on time for work & I'm happy with my choice 
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I have done electrical labouring work on the side and under the table for the last decade or so now and it can be a good trade to get into but both the qualified sparks I worked with have branched off from normal domestic/commercial work and largely use the quals elsewhere and it's like this with a lot of people who qualify hence the continued shortage The pay can be good- when people actually pay for the work on time which doesn't happen a lot more than I expected. You also have to factor in all the work done while not on the site- planning/organising/checking regs and going around finding the parts etc which can often take longer than the actual labour. You underestimate how long a job takes, you lose money. You break a part, you lose money. Things don't go to plan for any one of a thousand reasons and you can watch your earnings fade away in real-time. Also having a really large sum of money invested in specialist tools that are always in easy to carry away formats leads to things like your van locks being permanently hosed over by every opportunistic thief around, or if you leave it in the wrong place at the wrong time a specialist will come along and cut the side of the van out/remove a door and take absolutely everything inside. You can insure it at great cost, or invest in a lot of security and have slightly less insurance cost, or you can invest hours of labour every year in removing them from your van every night. Its also often quite dangerous, dirty and physically intensive work- if you are no good with narrow spaces or heights then there's a lot you won't be able to do. You also act as customer service and the customer is almost always some level of hassle all in themselves- anywhere from a bit too friendly and wanting to chat and have cups of tea constantly so no work gets done, all the way up to arseholes who try and get out of payment by sabotaging the work after we left and trying to claim shoddy labour. Or trying to change the plans around halfway through the job and have us redo the parts and labour for free by means of crying a lot. Or trying to knock money off after the work was done because they didn't think it would cost the amount agreed to beforehand. I don't want to put folk off because I enjoyed a lot of the work and had some great experiences but I also avoided a lot of the stress above by being paid labour for someone else dealing with it. If it interests you, give it a shot just be aware there's a lot of poo poo to deal with and good reasons there's a shortage of good sparks
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I don't think there's any serious scholarship that Dessaline didn't have most of the remaining white Haitians murdered. I did read a report that Polish defectors from Napoleon's invasion were legally black in recognition of their historic repression, so there's some room for error in the censuses. Even still, he definitely killed a big bunch of people.
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Total Meatlove posted:The DNO’s and TO’s are haemorrhaging staff to old Father Time and contracting firms, if being outdoors suits you then look into their schemes for stuff. Decent money the other side of it. Had a quick look and I don't have the qualifications for their advanced apprenticeships and it's the wrong time of year for a standard apprenticeship. Will keep checking back though. E: actually I might have a qualification that would count, I'll investigate. Another option would be to keep my head down for a year and then do a pgce next September. I love teaching at uni level but school teacher I'm not so sure about. Lungboy fucked around with this message at 09:25 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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serious gaylord posted:The Queen is now not doing any public engagements until February  E: so basically they won't let her out because they don't think she'll survive winter?
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
she's already carked op and the machine keeping her technically alive will be turned off at an opportune moment
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She's being embalmed on her throne and kept alive my machines and through human sacrifice, I reckon.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I genuinely can't wait for the queen to die. The content will be legendary I'm seriously considering doing the unthinkable and Logging Off when it happens.
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