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Dabir posted:Look, mass killings based on ethnicity or race are genocide, regardless of what the situation was beforehand... I think one finds a long list of thinkers who will argue precisely that mass killings of non-nationals is cathartic revolutionary violence instead... (for especially dicey arguments, look for contemporaneous writing on whether it was legitimate for East African nationalisms - Kenya, Uganda, etc. - to seek to ethnically cleanse the Asians who settled during the colonial period after independence was won, starting with 'Africanisation' oriented toward merely removing Asians from the civil service and professions, and then finally ending in straight-up pogroms, mass killings, and organized expulsions in that entirely too familiar escalation of elimination) Fanon is well-known but the broader concept that class- or race-based radical terror must, as a moral act, ignore liberal individual claims to innocence or attempts to plead loyalty, long predates anticolonialism as a movement. It is really common to left or right radicalism alike
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Bug Squash posted:I don't think there's any serious scholarship that Dessaline didn't have most of the remaining white Haitians murdered. I did read a report that Polish defectors from Napoleon's invasion were legally black in recognition of their historic repression, so there's some room for error in the censuses. Even still, he definitely killed a big bunch of people. It doesn't matter if anyone is disputing that he did it. The question is whether it was a moral good. That was radmonger's argument in the first place, and he wasn't even able to provide this as an example of it himself.
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serious gaylord posted:The Queen is now not doing any public engagements until February She is just entering a new phase. https://twitter.com/JurassicArse/status/1461104266664361987?t=MQBlZFW3VwN3ZPc3ZtDk8A&s=19
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:
If you leave the door open, she could run off into the wilderness and not be able to find her way home. In her weakened state she might then get eaten by predators or succumb to the cold.
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If the queen comes out in February and sees her shadow she has to go back in till March.
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No christmas speech then? What will i possibly do at 3pm on xmas day
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Angepain posted:No christmas speech then? What will i possibly do at 3pm on xmas day They'll just run a best-of previous Speeches, maybe with a blooper reel
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i'll do it instead, i can do a good majesty our boys queen voice
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Rustybear posted:and if moral judgements don't rest on "contingent facts about...the world" what do they rest on? radmonger posted:Understanding the difference between good things and bad things; a necessary evil is still an evil. and where does that "understanding" come from other than contingent facts about the world; installed directly on your brain at birth? what on earth is meant by "necessary evil", is that in opposition to a contingent evil? you either have a really unusual worldview or you're confusing two different meanings of the word necessary
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hellair ay em thee quoeen so ay em see nobody will no any differnt
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In a predictable turn of events, it seems that closing the public transport gap between London and the rest of the country is just going to mean putting TFL into managed decline. This is levelling up I guess?
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Failed Imagineer posted:They'll just run a best-of previous Speeches, maybe with a blooper reel Just make a poorly spliced cut up of previous speeches, everyone will be too drunk and/or full to notice
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They did say that after brexit Kent would be the toilet of England. Just surprised that it's not because of truckers making GBS threads in the lay-bys.
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In my household we do not watch Mrs Windsor's broadcast, it will make no tangible difference.
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Angepain posted:Just make a poorly spliced cut up of previous speeches, everyone will be too drunk and/or full to notice Cassetteboy your time has come
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Angepain posted:Just make a poorly spliced cut up of previous speeches, everyone will be too drunk and/or full to notice This years Queens speech brought to you by swedemason e: ^ lol
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Angepain posted:No christmas speech then? What will i possibly do at 3pm on xmas day Andrew will sub in.
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peanut- posted:In a predictable turn of events, it seems that closing the public transport gap between London and the rest of the country is just going to mean putting TFL into managed decline. This is levelling up I guess? lmao quote:"early indications that proceeds from the recently-expanded Ultra Low Emission Zone have not been as high as expected due to greater compliance with pollution standard than forecast."
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Meanwhile air pollution hasn't fallen much at all because, just like with the CCZ, they chickened out of making heavy goods vehicles and executive coach services pay an actual fair share. You can take a hundred Euro3 cars off the road and the impact is instantly negated by the first tipper truck with a clogged DPF to go charging in. I suppose at least unlike the CCZ it hasn't ended up *increasing* pollution, because with lower traffic inside the zone it gets more economical to use HGVs for multi-drop deliveries. The real question is which failson is even now drafting the leaflets blaming all this on the Islamonazi Khan, ready for his mayoral bid in 2024.
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goddamnedtwisto posted:Meanwhile air pollution hasn't fallen much at all because, just like with the CCZ, they chickened out of making heavy goods vehicles and executive coach services pay an actual fair share. You can take a hundred Euro3 cars off the road and the impact is instantly negated by the first tipper truck with a clogged DPF to go charging in. I suppose at least unlike the CCZ it hasn't ended up *increasing* pollution, because with lower traffic inside the zone it gets more economical to use HGVs for multi-drop deliveries. I hadn't thought about that - once you've paid your daily fee to get the lorry inside the zone you might as well get as many drops out of it as you can.
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JeremoudCorbynejad posted:I genuinely can't wait for the queen to die. The content will be legendary If we don’t get them to ban tweeting mean things about the queen we didn’t do our job
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My mate who works in legal services has been having problems at work, and asked me how to join a union. Beyond recommending the IWW I don't really have any ideas beyond the UVW that came up in a search for "legal services union", or some big umbrella union like Unite. Does anyone have any suggestions?
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Jedit posted:It doesn't matter if anyone is disputing that he did it. The question is whether it was a moral good. That was radmonger's argument in the first place, and he wasn't even able to provide this as an example of it himself. It wasn’t me who argued it was a moral good; that was someone else. All I said the question of whether something was a moral good was something you should decide _after_ establishing whether or not it was a genocide, not before. Ofherwise you risk getting into the whole nonsense like ‘it was anti colonialist, and therefor good, and also didn’t happen’. For the record, my understanding of the relevant history matches Dabir’s effort post, with the same caveat that if new scholarship came out tomorrow saying something different then I’d not be especially surprised.
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LSWU (the UVW thing) was set up by the Haldane Society back when I used to be involved with them (I was nothing to do with it but kinda knew the people that were), they're good eggs broadly speaking,* committed leftists with a lot of expertise. No idea how it's been going since it was set up mind. Literally everybody involved at the start was London based, the one thing that I'd caution is that the people involved had a bit of a habit of forgetting that there was such a place as not-London. Hopefully that's changed now, idk though. *the other thing I'd caution is that there's loads of trots & quite a few tankies in Haldane, but the tankies tend to get shouted down, the trots are far from the worst I've encountered, & iirc the people actually involved in setting up LSWU were broadly the ones with their heads screwed on. It is a left wing union though, and specialised, so basically with the proviso that idk how well it's been going I'd say it's probably the best shout Borrovan fucked around with this message at 11:40 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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smellmycheese posted:Brexit Benefits - Arse Salad Adequate poo poo tomatoes
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Tha_Joker_GAmer posted:Adequate poo poo tomatoes Perhaps mums can go and pick them after their slaughterhouse shift.
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mrpwase posted:My mate who works in legal services has been having problems at work, and asked me how to join a union. Beyond recommending the IWW I don't really have any ideas beyond the UVW that came up in a search for "legal services union", or some big umbrella union like Unite. Does anyone have any suggestions? TUC suggests GMB, Prospect or Unite for Legal Services. Prospect are a union for melty white collar professionals. So I dunno, GMB seems shite tbh, certainly their current head is. forkboy84 fucked around with this message at 11:43 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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forkboy84 posted:Prospect are a union for melty white collar professionals. Don't do me like this, man
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biglads posted:Perhaps mums can go and pick them after their slaughterhouse shift.
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sebzilla posted:Don't do me like this, man That's their rep anyway, I'm sure there are exceptions to the rule
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forkboy84 posted:TUC suggests GMB, Prospect or Unite for Legal Services. I was very down on Prospect for a long time, but they're balloting for strike action at the moment so they're at least capable of action if they're pushed hard enough.
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Thanks all, I'll pass the recommendations on. Apparently the trouble he's been having has been resolved so this is more of a 'better prepared for the next time' thing, I did warn him about joining and immediately asking for help.
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Lmao no wonder they wouldnt commit to anything about HS2 yesterday at PMQ's. What an absolute poo poo show and lord knows how much money has been spent on the bits they've just cancelled already.
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Eddie Marzipan has sailed through "complete fucken melt" zone into the clear waters of "destroy on sight" [https://twitter.com/Obscurantistxx/status/1461311345505230857?t=yU4AGg8ZSVgfzRdXNp25eA&s=19 Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 13:44 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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With HS2, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the British state is actually incapable of large-scale infrastructure projects.
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https://twitter.com/Independent/status/1461261561012568066 e: Bonus lol https://twitter.com/JohnGPeet/status/1461081436379926532
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josh04 posted:With HS2, it's hard to avoid the conclusion that the British state is actually incapable of large-scale infrastructure projects. Maybe if it was a garden bridge in the shape of a giant poppy, or some kind of massive chord tunnel which burrows into the Earth's crust but emerges in NI in a DUPers back garden Failed Imagineer fucked around with this message at 13:56 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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