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McGavin posted:Chinathread: I've just been resting at home and everything is fine. Also hopefully she gets enough rest at home and doesn't need to stay in alternative accommodation for a lengthier recuperation. Although professional tennis can be a very exhausting occupation perhaps a state-sponsored education might lead her to a more harmonious career. I hear there are some excellent educational facilities up in xinjiang.
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China does not recognize dual citizenship. John Cena has always been a part of China.
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol mad for not thinking of this
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol 
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Grand Fromage posted:
It's not all bad. A Thai family that ran a chain of Chinese restaurants in the States sold them off and moved to Bangkok to be the premier American Chinese restaurant in Bangkok (wasn't much competition, but still) and they're loving solid. They're now expanding into buffalo wings. Their hot and sour soup is loving good.
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol New thread title?
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McGavin posted:more like John Sina lol mods change my name to this tia
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The Alchemist posted:You have about same amount of paid vacation, pay is not good(compared to the living costs) unless you are a university professor, yet you have to be very competent and take new training courses almost every year. Students get to physically bully you but if you so much as shout at them, you are going to lose your teaching permit. I'd rather live in one of those Chinese detention camps than worked as a highschool teacher in Finland I think you should've added the same caveat I did, for honesty's sake.
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His Divine Shadow posted:I think you should've added the same caveat I did, for honesty's sake. Source: Used to bully teachers quite a lot back in my own highschool days Coincidentally back then my two biggest idols were John Cena and chairman Mao. The Alchemist fucked around with this message at 09:49 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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they opened a pf changs in shanghai but it closed pretty fast and im forever mad i didn't go to it while it was open. someone also opened a pretty bougie american-chinese place to cater to expats but it was $$$ so i never went. why am i gonna pay like 15+ usd for orange chicken when I can get 糖醋里脊 or 锅包肉 for a fraction of that price????? also they didn't have crab rangoons objectively the best american chinese food item.
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I had crab rangoon on Tuesday.
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Grand Fromage posted:Anyway, lol: https://twitter.com/SheenaGreitens/status/1461149205335003138?s=20 I don't think they're buying it...
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McGavin posted:Chinathread: I've just been resting at home and everything is fine.
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Jagged Jim posted:https://twitter.com/SheenaGreitens/status/1461149205335003138?s=20 She displayed courage but not as much planning or foresight. Better to do it like a Russian ballet dancer and be a rabidly loyal party member right up to the moment you vanish from your dressing room during an international tour and reappear in the American embassy with your asylum application filled out and signed.
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Not sure how meaningful that would be when all her family are still there.
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ili posted:Not sure how meaningful that would be when all her family are still there. Don't know what you mean by meaningful, do you think her family aren't currently being punished for her crime of speaking out?
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Is there a term for when authoritarian governments/groups do this? These excuses/responses that don't convince anyone and are in fact meant to say the opposite. For example Russia does the same thing when they throw someone out a window. These days it just means 'assassinated' and they want everyone to know they assasinated that person while still being able to go 'wink wink they fell out a window'. The OK symbol used by white supremacists is another example where they know what they're doing, and they want you to know, but its still deniable.
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If not someone should come up with one... Crocodenial? Like crocodile tears? Someone smarter than me probably knows what the actual term is. Edit: Someone just told me 'implausible deniability' and that's a lot better. SerCypher fucked around with this message at 20:17 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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SerCypher posted:Is there a term for when authoritarian governments/groups do this? Yes. You are thinking of the Russian word Vranyo. I don't know if there is a Chinese equivalent, but 'the lie that isn't meant to be genuinely believed but allows you to align yourself with the state narrative' is a common feature of authoritarian regimes. It isn't really about deniability or dogwhistles. It's about the fact that if I tell a barefaced lie and you have to nod and agree with that lie, I'm forcing you to acknowledge the degree of power I have over you. e: it's also emblematic of the corrosive nature of authoritarian states on everyday life. The moment everyone accepts that they need to simultaneously live with a private truth and a public truth then that begins to infect every interaction you have. Alchenar fucked around with this message at 20:45 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Alchenar posted:Yes. You are thinking of the Russian word Vranyo. I don't know if there is a Chinese equivalent, but 'the lie that isn't meant to be genuinely believed but allows you to align yourself with the state narrative' is a common feature of authoritarian regimes. Oh, thank you. That's it exactly.
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Been catching up on the "With Chinese Characteristics" podcast, and it very interesting! It's the same kind of chat I usually tune in to this thread for.
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Ailumao posted:they opened a pf changs in shanghai but it closed pretty fast and im forever mad i didn't go to it while it was open. idk...as a chinese person who only first tried orange chicken at like, 19. i have to say i quite fancy it...AM I A TRAITOR I AM SORRY and lettuce cups from pf chang i know i know feizhouxiongdi2 fucked around with this message at 22:13 on Nov 18, 2021 |
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Alchenar posted:It isn't really about deniability or dogwhistles. It's about the fact that if I tell a barefaced lie and you have to nod and agree with that lie, I'm forcing you to acknowledge the degree of power I have over you. This, but also it acknowledges the fact that no one wants to beleive something they don't want to be true. The more horrible it is, the more they will resist believing it. So as long as you throw out even the flimsiest figleaf, you keep a ton of surprisingly softhearted people on side.
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Strategic Tea posted:This, but also it acknowledges the fact that no one wants to beleive something they don't want to be true. The more horrible it is, the more they will resist believing it. So as long as you throw out even the flimsiest figleaf, you keep a ton of surprisingly softhearted people on side. Oh yeah, also creates lots of useful idiots overseas.
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How threatening is the WTA's threat to stop holding events in China if Peng Shuai isn't shown to be safe and well? I know the CCP cares about global prestige etc. And losing WTA events would also be a loss of face, i.e. "China is not big/good enough to hold such events" etc. But it would also be a perfect opportunity for a CCP performative whinging tantrum complaining about the evil West, and how they are bullying poor innocent China, with the hurting the feelings of the Chinese people etc. They could even throw in a "the WTA is obviously controlled by the CIA" if they wanted to get proper tankie. I mean, it's good that the WTA isn't buying the flimsy excuse for a cover-up. But I am not entirely convinced that this sporting organization has the teeth to hurt/bother the CCP. Also, the old rapist guy will almost certainly face no punishment, and Peng Shuai, even if she is shown to be safe, is unlikely to be so indefinitely. Coz nobody holds a grudge against a perceived slight like a CCP official.
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Does it matter if china is hurt or not? The WTA isn't responsible for how it's seen in china, but at best the safety of their players only.
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Unrelated but posters in this thread have been pretty good with book recs… I'm looking for a pleasantly engaging book about the AC/DC argument when electricity was first introduced on city levels. Public demonstrations electrocuting animals, leaflets filled with lies, double agents and sabotage.
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Nothingtoseehere posted:Does it matter if china is hurt or not? The WTA isn't responsible for how it's seen in china, but at best the safety of their players only. True, and a good point. Peng Shuai's actual wellbeing should be the most important thing. I was thinking about whether the WTA's, (and hopefully other organizations), threat to withdraw events from the country would maybe, hopefully have the effect of China/the CCP disappearing less people because they are scared of losing the public prestige/legitimacy that such events bring. Also, second to the woman's actual safety, another major consideration should be whether her rapist will get any sort of punishment. Something we know to be sadly very unlikely.
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Alchenar posted:Yes. You are thinking of the Russian word Vranyo. I don't know if there is a Chinese equivalent, but 'the lie that isn't meant to be genuinely believed but allows you to align yourself with the state narrative' is a common feature of authoritarian regimes. Yeah it was always interesting talking to people who lived in the soviet union because there was so tangibly a conception of 'you read everything between the lines, what is omitted is as important as what is included' and things were so consistently opaque that it was just a skill people cultivated.
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Wow, the WTA is really not backing down. https://twitter.com/WTA/status/1461418624858607616?s=20 I'd forgotten about this but they apparently moved the finals of their tour to Shenzhen a few years ago, and they have other events in Beijing and maybe Chengdu or Chongqing? They have a lot more to lose than a lot of organizations that bent the knee to China at the first available opportunity.
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ninjoatse.cx posted:Been catching up on the "With Chinese Characteristics" podcast, and it very interesting! It's the same kind of chat I usually tune in to this thread for. Thanks! I admit I sometimes get episode ideas from in here, or from what people are arguing about in D&D/CSPAM
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SerCypher posted:Thanks! Your takes on Breaking With Old Ideas were great. I really enjoyed that episode. I'm up to Wolf Warrior 2 now, and I'm looking forward to it.
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Porfiriato posted:Wow, the WTA is really not backing down. Tennis got more balls than John Cena
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