mila kunis posted:

saying poo poo like "if you believe british expat communities are racist...perhaps it is you who is the racist??"

BrainDance posted:

See? What are you doing, I literally said none of that. What conversation are you having? Who are you talking to?

BrainDance posted:

But it's stupid to be like "all people who go to another country are like this, the racial characteristics of the British make them especially evil." That's a gross thing to do about anyone.

mila kunis posted:

how exactly are you supposed to interpret this statement? holy poo poo you're disingenuous as hell

mawarannahr posted:

I think a lot of people do not remember the things they write. probably didn’t even realize it. lol

BrainDance posted:

What's there to say about it? That's what I meant, I'm saying nothing about British people, or people from anywhere specific and he comes in all "British people who live in another country are inherently bad!" It's a weird way to look at things that had nothing to do with what people were talking about (the sexpat thing.)

What is the logic here? British people are bad therefore all British people in another country are sexpats?

BrainDance posted:

In real life I just use people's nationality.

mawarannahr posted:

you used the words “racial characteristics,” it’s right there, even if you don’t think you meant it that way it’s gonna be hard for most people not to read that as a “reverse racism” type of appeal.

BrainDance posted:

What's there to say about it? That's what I meant, I'm saying nothing about British people, or people from anywhere specific and he comes in all "British people who live in another country are inherently bad!" It's a weird way to look at things that had nothing to do with what people were talking about (the sexpat thing.)

What is the logic here? British people are bad therefore all British people in another country are sexpats?

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As the last year of President Rodrigo Duterte’s term winds down, the list of candidates to replace him after next May’s election poses a troubling question for the Philippines: might one of them be a “Manchurian candidate”?

That term, for a politician used as a puppet by a foreign or hostile power, was made famous by a 1959 fictional Cold War thriller in which the son of an American political family returns from service in the Korean war having been brainwashed by Chinese and Russian communists.

But in the Philippines, where the CIA once steered former president Ramon Magsaysay into power as a pro-American “Amboy” and the current President Rodrigo Duterte has raised suspicions over his allegiances with a “pivot to China”, concerns about Manchurian candidates are very much rooted in the real world.

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Many Filipino analysts believe that China, which has worked to bring the Duterte administration closer, has already picked its favourite. That’s Ferdinand “Bongbong” Marcos Jnr, the son and namesake of the late brutal dictator. He is thought to be favoured because his father established diplomatic ties with China 46 years ago.

For Renato de Castro, a professor of international studies at De La Salle University, Duterte was the “Manchurian candidate” of 2016.

“We don’t have evidence beyond reasonable doubt but there’s circumstantial evidence,” he said.

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From September to December 2016, he was based in East-West Center in Washington D.C. as the U.S.-ASEAN Fulbright Initiative Researcher from the Philippines. He is an alumnus of the Daniel Inouye Asia-Pacific Center for Security Studies in Hawaii, U.S.A.

He conducts several professional courses on International Relations, Strategic and Security Studies in the National Defense College (NDCP), Special Intelligence Training School (SITS) of the Intelligence Service of the Armed Forces of the Philippines (ISAFP), General Staff College of the Philippines, and the Foreign Service Institute (FSI).

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Shortly after Duterte’s election, the first diplomat the new president allowed to visit him and offer congratulations was the Chinese ambassador, Zhao Jianhua, who served in Manila from 2014 to 2019. In 2016, Zhao met Duterte more times than any other foreign diplomat.

De Castro claimed Zhao was so close to Duterte he could visit the presidential palace “during the wee hours in the morning”.

He also said a source from the Philippine Department of Foreign Affairs told him that Zhao had taken very ill “but Beijing didn’t want to bring him back because of his very important role, his influence on Duterte”.

While This Week in Asia has not been able to independently verify this statement,

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In July, former Philippine foreign secretary Albert del Rosario said he had received information that Chinese officials had been “bragging that they had been able to influence the 2016 Philippine elections so that Duterte would be president”.

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The former top diplomat also revealed that the information about the Chinese officials bragging that he had attributed to “a most reliable international entity” was actually “based on personal knowledge from a source in The New York Times”.

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The award-winning and influential investigative journalist Jarius Bondoc wrote in The Philippine Star: “The Chinese Communist Party will meddle in the Philippine Election 2022 … co-opting politicians and parties worldwide is China’s strategy as the new imperialist.”

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Another plus for Beijing might be that, as De Castro said, “Bongbong Marcos is very anti-American, he and his family still hold grudges against the Americans”.

When a “People Power” uprising flared against the elder Marcos in 1986, the US withdrew its support of him, instead recognising the government of Corazon Aquino. Marcos and his family fled to Honolulu aboard a US military aircraft.

According to Banlaoi, “the Marcoses have an axe to grind, they felt the US did not support them, and that it even facilitated People Power”.

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Asked how Chinese support for its preferred candidate would manifest itself, Ong said it could take the same form that had been seen in other countries: funding and trolls.

“In light of the lack of evidence-based information, we benchmark potential [Chinese] support based on the experience of Australia and Taiwan with foreign interference operations in their domestic politics,” he said.

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Foreign attempts to support and install a biddable leader are nothing new in Philippine history, but until 2016 all the attempts came from only one party – the US.

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De Castro, who specialises in Philippine-American relations, said that “yes the US might be interested in the election. But I don’t think they would play a very active role, unlike China. There are already certain constraints such as haunting memories of the Cold War”.

mila kunis posted:

your words are right loving there dude. all i said was that british expat communities are racist as hell, an uncontroversially true statement (i presume you wouldn't take issue if someone said the same about white communities in the american rural south?). you responded with some loving reverse racism deflection snark about british racial characteristics and genetic evil, then going wide eyed "uhh who are you talking to i never said that" when i called you on it and then loving repeating it again! this conversation is actually insane

BrainDance posted:

so gently caress all British people

BrainDance posted:

We are talking past each other or something here, I don't want to go in circles.

Atopian gave his guess about how many foreign people are lovely, his experience is like 10 to 30%.

I pretty much agreed with him and said probably ten percent, and that that's way too high and lovely. But also most people are just people, so it's not great to blame them all for stuff most of them aren't a part of.

And you disagreed because British people abroad are "absolute loving scum" when no one was else was going "yeah gently caress this nationality in particular." That was my whole point saying that, like holy poo poo you're just suddenly talking like there's some inherent badness to people born somewhere, so gently caress all British people living outside the UK, and it is the wildest take, it's like you are trying to take the most uncharitable interpretation of everything,. Maybe I should have said "national character" instead of "racial characteristics," but the point is gently caress assigning some characteristic like that to someone cuz of where they were born. That's not crying "reverse racism", or whatever other tangent you wanna go on.

And none of it has anything to do with the whole point, that most people (even British people) in China are, still, just normal people. I don't think there's all that many people left in China that are part of some colonial project anymore. They're mostly just businessmen and teachers.

And actually yeah I don't think that classist bullshit where people portray all people in the South as backwards racists is cool either. There's racism in the South, focus on the people there that are doing it don't poo poo on them all. There are tons of people there against that too.

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https://www.telegraph.co.uk/travel/destinations/asia/hong-kong/articles/Drunken-Britons-cause-carnage-in-Hong-Kongs-Magaluf/

Drunken Britons cause 'carnage' in 'Hong Kong's Magaluf'
Fuelled by cheap alcohol and easy access to drugs and sex, drunken British residents in Hong Kong have been flooding the streets of Lan Kwai Fong in central Hong Kong and Wan Chai’s 'red light district' in the north of the island, The Sun reports.

Off-licence shops offering cheaper drinks than established bar and club venues in the area have sparked impromptu street parties, while drug dealers are said to patrol street corners. Corrupt police are feared to be 'looking the other way', paid off by local gangs controlling the drugs market. But earlier this year, a major drugs network was said to have been "eradicated" in Lan Kwai Fong, the South China Morning Post reports.

Drunken Britons cause ‘carnage’ in 'Hong Kong’s Magaluf'Rubbish on the streets of Hong Kong Photo: EPA

Last week, a video of a drunken 22-year-old British woman sitting topless, covered in white paint and touching her breasts on a street in Hong Kong caused outrage.

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Alice Stirrat, who moved to Hong Kong four months ago to work for a fashion company, appeared to be saying “Sozzle, sozzle me” in what was said to be a Chinese accent in the video clip filmed by her friend Emma Stubbs who was also covered in white paint. A picture of Ms Stirrat laying against a wall wearing hot pants and covered in paint was also shared with the video on WhatsApp.

• In defence of the British tourist

“The majority of the drunken nonsense is definitely centred on Lan Kwai Fong, which has gone right downhill in the last couple of years. When I was there a few weeks ago, it was carnage – the street looked filthy. Drunken men and women – not just Britons either – were sprawled on pavements. Cheap shots are advertised everywhere, and the police even raided the bar I was in, for licensing purposes” said Telegraph Travel’s Lee Cobaj, who grew up in Hong Kong.

"Lan Kwai Fong has always had this reputation though," said Telegraph Travel's Hong Kong expert Fionnuala McHugh, "which is why I tend to avoid it and don't recommend it. It's a curious beast: it's extremely heavily policed on certain holiday nights e.g. Halloween, a legacy of the tragedy that happened in the early hours of January 1 1993, when at least 21 people died in a crowd crush."

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The video clip of Alice Stirrat sitting on a street in Hong Kong

"But police seem to be reluctant to interfere when expats are misbehaving, which is a colonial legacy. A lot of the police here don't speak English and don't want to get involved. I hear this all the time from people astonished that no action is taken," she added.

"This place is basically the Magaluf of Hong Kong,” Melody De Paul, who recently began her studies in Hong Kong, told The Sun.

“It’s really dirty and there are street parties every night,” she added.

More than 20,000 Britons are said to currently live in Hong Kong, and many of them are said to be single, young professionals following the “ work hard, play hard" expat way of life filled with drinking, drugs and sex, according to Peter Gordon, a 40-year-old Britsh expat who moved to Hong Kong nearly 10 years ago.

Tourists and businessmen alike can be commonly seen drunk and vomiting around the streets of Lan Kwai Fong, while others access sex workers in Wan Chai, Mr Gordon told The Sun.

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One British banker, who has been working in Hong Kong for five years but did not wished to be named, said the party lifestyle among British expats “goes on all the time.”

“Some of these guys are on footballers’ wages, so they love to show off their wealth by having bottle after bottle brought over to their tables,” while others are said to be “entertaining clients in strip clubs, casual sex between boozy expats or with the locals, or even sleazy parties with hookers” he told The Sun.

But expats’ drunken acts are said to be offensive to traditional Chinese culture. Public nudity is insulting to Chinese people and could be punished with six months' jail time, experts told The Sun, referring to the video clip of Ms Stirrat.

• Brits abroad: were the Germans joking?

“It’s [Ms Stirrat’s behaviour] crazy, horrible. Hong Kong, as a part of China, has a conservative culture, so doing something like that on the street with paint all over yourself like that is just not acceptable in Chinese society.“ Lo Chung-yan, a 33-year-old social worker, told The Sun.

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People have always "partied hard" in Hong Kong but the drunken behaviour is not seen across the entire island and has not reached the levels witnessed in Magaluf, notes Ms Cobaj.

"Although Lan Kwai Fong is a bit of a mess, the madness really is restricted to that one street – and it’s nowhere near as bad as Magaluf. There are still hundreds of gorgeous bars for a glam night out in Hong Kong” she added.

Drunken behaviour among Britons abroad has been commonly reported in Magaluf, where British police have been deployed to clamp down on the bad behaviour of British tourists at the Majorcan party resort, patrolling the nightlife hub of Punta Ballena.

Last year, Balearic authorities declared it was aiming to transform the notorious resort into a “mature tourist destination" by introducing new curbs on anti-social behaviour and an overhaul of hotels in a bid to attract a more upmarket crowd.

Drunken Britons cause ‘carnage’ in 'Hong Kong’s Magaluf'

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https://foreignpolicy.com/2018/05/18/sexpat-journalists-are-ruining-asia-coverage/

Sexpat Journalists Are Ruining Asia Coverage
Newsroom predators in foreign bureaus hurt their colleagues — and their stories.

Joanna ChiuMay 18, 2018, 1:45 AM
(Spencer Platt/Getty Images/Foreign Policy illustration)
(Spencer Platt/Getty Images/Foreign Policy illustration)
Today, I’m known as a strong advocate in my social circles, promoting women’s and minorities’ voices in media. But when I first moved to China seven years ago, as a 23-year-old Canadian reporter of Chinese ancestry, it was a different story. To some men in my professional network, I was a target, not a peer.

But the path from silent target to advocate has been a rocky one, a road signposted by incidents of harassment and aggression.

Once, a fellow journalist exited our shared taxi outside my apartment. I thought we were sharing a cab to our respective homes, but he had other expectations, and suddenly his tongue was in my face. On another evening, another journalist grabbed my wrist and dragged me out of a nightclub without a word. I was clearly too drunk to consent; it was a caveman approach to get me into bed while I was intoxicated. And on yet another occasion, in a Beijing restaurant, a Western public relations executive reached under my dress and grabbed my crotch.

The incidents aren’t limited by proximity. I have received multiple unsolicited “dick pics” from foreign correspondents — generally on the highly monitored messaging service WeChatI have received multiple unsolicited “dick pics” from foreign correspondents — generally on the highly monitored messaging service WeChat. Somewhere deep in the Chinese surveillance apparatus there is a startling collection of images of journalists’ genitalia.
The #MeToo campaign has reminded us of how common these stories are — but the behavior of foreign men working abroad has, in my experience, been far worse than anything I ever experienced at home. Fortunately for me, I’ve experienced this only as part of the wider journalist community, not in my own workplaces – but others haven’t been so lucky. The phenomenon is not a problem unique to the press, but it’s one that’s especially problematic for journalists.
A somber meeting this Tuesday of the Foreign Correspondents’ Club of China, which represents the interests of foreign journalists in a difficult local environment, provided another painful example of this. As the New York Times reported, former club president Jonathan Kaiman, who had resigned in January after being accused of sexual misconduct by Laura Tucker, a former friend of his, was now accused of sexually assaulting a female journalist, Felicia Sonmez. After the second accusation, the Los Angeles Times quickly suspended him from his role as Beijing bureau chief and has begun an investigation. But as the Hong Kong Free Press noted, the original accusation had prompted many male correspondents to launch misogynistic attacks on Tucker in online conversations.
Such actions, and entitlement, reflect a sense of privilege and a penchant for sexual aggression that threatens to distort the stories told about Asia, and that too often leaves the telling in the hands of the same men preying on their colleagues. I have seen correspondents I know to be serial offenders in private take the lead role in reporting on the sufferings of Asian women, or boast of their bravery in covering human rights. In too many stories, Asian men are treated as the sole meaningful actors, while Asian women are reduced to sex objects or victims. And this bad behavior — and the bad coverage that follows — is a pattern that repeats across Asia, from Tokyo to Phnom Penh.
To be sure, some of the most vocal male advocates for women I’ve known have been people reacting against this dynamic among their peers. But a few good men aside, the entitlement and actions of many of the men I have encountered in media-related industries from Hong Kong and Beijing was unlike anything I encountered at home in Vancouver, Canada, or as a student in New York. The corrosive culture of expatriates spans multiple countries, and bad sexual behavior — dubbed “sexpat behavior” in the expat world — is hardly confined to tourists. Often the worst damage is done by men ensconced in positions of influence in journalism, diplomacy, and international business.Often the worst damage is done by men ensconced in positions of influence in journalism, diplomacy, and international business.
At the core of the problem is a lack of accountability. Behavior that could (or should) get you fired in New York often goes unremarked on in Beijing or Kuala Lumpur, where remote foreign offices have little contact with the home base and, in some cases, no mechanisms for employees to report abuse. Even when cases are reported, correspondents are sometimes simply quietly transferred to another part of Asia.
“I think a lot of expat men — especially in China and Southeast Asia — have a pretty messed up view of women,” a male photographer based in southern China says. He requested anonymity because he wasn’t authorized to speak with press. “I think some of them get away with being one way at home, but when they find themselves in these places where sex is so easily available — especially if you’re a white dude and some local women see status in that — some men abuse it.”
The problems are worsened by the unequal power dynamics in the offices of multinational media that employ “local staff” to provide translation, conduct research, and navigate complex bureaucracies, but pay them a fraction of what their foreign colleagues earn. In China, these “news assistants” are mostly young women. This pattern is mirrored in other countries, where the pool of those with the English-language skills needed for the job often skew female. “Many people, especially those with real regional and local knowledge, are not hired on proper terms and have little or no recourse to the law or to union support, or even just commonsense support and mentoring,” says Didi Kirsten Tatlow, a Hong Kong-born journalist. Far-off company headquarters may not know they even exist.
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“They have no job security — if there is any conflict, they can be fired the next day,” says Yajun Zhang, a former news assistant. As a result, sexual harassment and gender- or race-based discrimination can occur with impunity. Even if they raise concerns, investigation can often prove extremely difficult over distance and cultural barriers. A process like talking about a superior’s misdeeds that is difficult even in your own country can become an impossible one abroad.
In the past, Asia correspondents would regularly send news assistants on personal errands for which their own language skills were inadequate. That habit has largely faded under pressure for a younger and more diverse generation of reporters. [After publication, several news assistants contacted me to note that they are still expected to run trivial, non-professional tasks for their foreign counterparts.] And yet, vulnerable staff continue to take a lead role on reporting, often becoming more exposed to personal risk than the foreign correspondents — while remaining second-class employees in the eyes of the head office.
But the problems of sexual harassment and sexism are hardly limited to local hires.
One foreign correspondent who covered Asia for a top American news outlet for over 15 years tells me she faced blatant sexism from her colleagues throughout her career. At times, she says, male colleagues took credit for her work; one manager told her she couldn’t get a promotion because she has children.
“Without the environment of a fairer legal system, often local bureaus do whatever they want and get away with it, because of clauses that say, ‘local hire,’ or ‘local law applies,’ or ambiguous clauses in the contracts that make any complaint difficult,” she says. Even though these measures are often intended to apply to local hires, they make matters difficult for other staff as well. “When I tried complaining to higher management, they wouldn’t reply, and human resources was also slow to respond.”
Most disturbingly, a source tried to rape the correspondent while she was on assignment in China. She never told her bosses for fear that disclosure would hurt her career.
Journalists parachuting in from the home office for one-off trips have also developed a reputation for treating local residents they rely on for their stories badly — especially women. In Malaysia, one experienced journalist recounts how a senior correspondent for a prestigious American newspaper arrived in Kuala Lumpur for a reporting trip last year and asked for her help. She agreed to provide contacts and he suggested meeting for dinner, which she assumed was a gesture of thanks.
“The conversation was casual at first, but over time he started asking me about my dating life and after that my sex life. I brushed him off by making jokes and tried to change the subject several times to the reporting project he was working on. I went to the washroom, and the moment I walked out, he came towards me, grabbed me, and tried to kiss me. I dodged by moving my head aside and repeated twice, ‘No, this isn’t happening.’ It was a shock, and I could feel he wasn’t wearing any underwear when he grabbed me. I couldn’t wrap my head around what happened, and at the same time I didn’t want to burn bridges with him, because he’s a journalist with one of the most respected publications in the world,” she says, requesting anonymity to avoid professional repercussions.
Matt Schiavenza, a journalist who has covered Asia for the past 10 years and lived in China’s Yunnan province, blamed a combination of factors, including access to cheap alcohol, a sense of being far away from prying eyes, and relative legal impunity overseas for sexual harassers.
“In terms of Western journalists, I think some people have this swinging dick mentality where they’re ‘foreign correspondents’ in a James Bond sense, and loving a lot of women is part of the cachet,” Schiavenza says.
All of this also drives women out of the industry. Besides objectification, harassment, and assault, female professionals also have to put up with problems such as unequal pay. In January, BBC China editor Carrie Gracie resigned from her post after she discovered that two male international editors at the BBC earned “at least 50% more” than their female counterparts.
As social media has increasingly provided an outlet for journalists to speak about such problems, the issues are becoming apparent to casual news consumers, too. Rui Zhong, a D.C.-based researcher on U.S.-China relations at the Wilson Center, says she noticed with dismay that male journalists were arguing on social media about their own definition of consent in light of #MeToo stories coming out from Asia.
“It wasn’t surprising, because there’s been a lot of backlash to women that came forth with those stories, but it’s especially troubling when journalists have these views, because their reports are one resource that shapes the perspective of policymakers in Washington,” she says. “So, when we’re looking at coverage of gender issues in China, I think it’s reasonable to ask how reporters and analysts view consent themselves. Because that determines what kinds of stories get printed and how victims are portrayed,” she adds.
Working overseas comes with challenges, including potentially greater safety risks, and fellow journalists should make sure that they’re supporting each other instead of being part of the problem. Foreign correspondents in each country tend to see each other as colleagues even when working for competing organizations. This tight-knit quality means people can band together in the face of threats such as police interference, but it can also make it difficult for victims to speak out about harassment or assault.
Western-based organizations should look to integrate staff far closer into their global human resources networks instead of treating them as essentially disposable local hires. This would pay off not just in terms of protecting and diversifying the workforce, but also in deepening the commitment and trust of workers who often feel vulnerable and poorly treated. Even if financial practicalities make having HR staff in every country impossible, head offices need to be available and communicative even with — in fact, especially with — low-ranking staff abroad, or they risk giving predators the space to thrive.

mawarannahr posted:

maybe you should try to understand why at least two people misinterpreted what you were trying to communicate.

I’ve not known all that many british nationals in turkey and they seem generally normal, but british tourists, on the other hand… their behavior is pretty consistent with what is reported in English and HK and China newspapers

Comrade Koba posted:

idk, “sexmerican” or “sexglish” doesn’t roll off the tongue quite as well

Jose posted:

https://twitter.com/06JAnk/status/1462000098209107973?t=xCz7Nk-SNNrFCZzcXFwqhQ&s=19

Trabisnikof posted:

Ardennes posted:

Btw, Eastern Europe came up, and to be honest in the former Soviet Union, large gaps in age between men and women aren’t that uncommon. It isn’t a teenager with 40 year old situation usually, but a 10-15 year gap isn’t that out of the ordinary due to the continued gender imbalance.

mila kunis posted:

i wonder how many of these morons have ever been to china. they seem to be under the impression that its not a normal country with normal people, like if she was in a detention facility none of her friends or immediate family would know or be able to say anything about it and it would never get out. just loving imbecilic reactionary freaks

KomradeX posted:

There's a strain of Westerner that thinks that it's perpetually 1937 in every Communist country

30.5 Days posted:

The full context makes the line "forced me to have sex" a lot clearer, but her treatment appears to have been completely unacceptable regardless.

Atopian posted:

Parts of the West and North still are, effectively, but the cities of the East and South mostly went all Bladerunner over a decade ago.

Doctor Jeep posted:

i don't get this graph at all, i understand the one with 2 lines, but this has 4 lines (lower and upper line of each blue/pink area) and they can't both represent loss in military capability?

IAMKOREA posted:

I'm the one who brought it up and idk dude, it's common as hell yes but it's still viewed as creepy by normal people.

stephenthinkpad posted:

Anglo Sexton

Ardennes posted:

I don’t think it is right but at least in Russia it gets a not much more than a shrug and most of the other former Soviet republics don’t seem that different. I guess it depends on the extremes but certain the “acceptable” range is significantly broader.

I do think it is connected to a lot of different social and demographic issues, but it is certainly more than sometype of sexpat thing.

Blarghalt posted:

As far as I understand India's basically going full laissez-faire for its food supply which has only ever led to abundance in India

AnimeIsTrash posted:

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/...genumber%3D1374

psycho with a gun posted:

lol at how many tankies went from tara reade truthers to peng shuai deniers

psycho with a gun posted:

lol at how many tankies went from tara reade truthers to peng shuai deniers

IAMKOREA posted:

Somehow I hold my countrymen to different standards than the locals. When you go to the seaside and see a fancy BMW паркетник roll up and some old Balkan or Russian dude hop out with his child girlfriend that's a shrug or eye roll from me, but when I see an American in his 30s with a local girl half his age it just loving creeps me out.

psycho with a gun posted:

lol at how many tankies went from tara reade truthers to peng shuai deniers

psycho with a gun posted:

lol at how many tankies went from tara reade truthers to peng shuai deniers

psycho with a gun posted:

lol at how many tankies went from tara reade truthers to peng shuai deniers

Grapplejack posted:

I just think it's really funny that even if she's fine they can't stop putting out extremely sus looking 'confirmations'. like drat just have her go buy some groceries or something

stephenthinkpad posted:

I don't have anything to say about the expat conversion.

But some of the discourse reminds me of some Hong Kongers that make me SMH, I am talking about the portion of Hong Kongers who have never been to mainland except the tourist part of Shenzhen city. They basically learn their mainland knowledge from extreme stereotypes on forums and joke about
Shanzai electronic and mainland prostitutes and basically endless stereotypes that are at least 10 year outdated. I honestly think these HKers are as clueless about mainland as some of the expats. So in inclusion, ok.jpg