|
rabble rabble posted:I assumed that the "is that a door" line is supposed to prime us to understand that it's actually the same AI god hari from the ship that has taken that door to the vault Nah, Hari asks where Gaal is. Ship Hari knows where Gaal is, she's on a slow boat to water world.
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 07:24
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 18:28 |
|
|
Thorn Wishes Talon posted:whoever said "it would be stupid if we found out that salvor is gaal's daughter, so it's probably gonna happen" deserves an award I was thinking about watching until this. Salvor the annoying Warden was Gaal’s daughter all along? So she inherited her mom’s psychic power because she is of the sacred bloodline? Hari Seldon, who said before he couldn’t calculate the behaviour of the individual and only the whole species population, was making it up all along and bet the farm on some unknown hillbilly kid from a backwards planet who will save humankind because she is special? We got ghosts pulling strings and wars between planets and power struggles by an all powerful emperor? Is George Lucas writing again? Jesus. Thank you goon for sparing me this. Five minutes of passable court intrigue and good acting surrounded by 90% Star Wars rip-off does not sound fun. Hard pass. Thanks goons. Hopefully enough people stop watching so Apple doesn’t waste the money on season 3+ and the funds go elsewhere. I liked See season 2.They want 8 years of this?
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 07:32
|
|
|
Rappaport posted:Thread title, please? yea
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 07:55
|
|
|
If there ends up being 8 years of this im gonna be epicly pissed
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 07:56
|
|
|
Idk I still enjoy it. I thought I was getting prestige TV sci-fi but instead it’s hack space soap opera with a huge budget. I’ll gladly watch 8 seasons
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 08:14
|
|
|
Show was fine, probably not going to watch anymore, the whole season gave me a Westworld season 3 vibe. At least the annoying lady getting an arrow in the neck was rad.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 09:11
|
|
|
Now that all 10 episodes are available, and i've watched it to the end, can still say; this was an extremely stupid and pointless show.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 09:16
|
|
|
oh yeah, that detail of salvor taking huntress' bow and shooting her in the neck from it was made funnier this episode by the anacreon in this episode explaining to salvor that the tree was made from the same material as "your bow". that dude literally didnt give a poo poo that salvor took their relic and never gave it back to anacreons.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 09:18
|
|
|
Thorn Wishes Talon posted:whoever said "it would be stupid if we found out that salvor is gaal's daughter, so it's probably gonna happen" deserves an award I suggested it like 3,4 episodes ago as a way to "sort out" show's fixation to superhero magical power.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 11:58
|
|
|
Thorn Wishes Talon posted:whoever said "it would be stupid if we found out that salvor is gaal's daughter, so it's probably gonna happen" deserves an award I shall take my award in the form of a varied and diverse assortment of pies.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 12:02
|
|
|
i started watching the expanse because of recommendations in this thread and holy poo poo it's blatant how terrible foundations writing is because the characters and plot points in this show actually make sense and are compelling.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 12:22
|
|
|
I said come in! posted:Now that all 10 episodes are available, and i've watched it to the end, can still say; this was an extremely stupid and pointless show. It's such a dumb waste of the spectacle and all the money / on-location shooting they did. Since at end of the series you won't care about the plot, amazing reveals or the characters. It also has zero in common with the actual material given all the rewrites and decisions for attempting to translate the books into a TV series. It's a failure to in terms of being a translation of the book series and an additional failure since all the rewrite decisions are not improvements / memorable over the source material (let's give multiple characters a Marvel superpower and capability they didn't earn) etalian fucked around with this message at 13:16 on Nov 20, 2021 |
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 13:13
|
|
|
Speaking of how nanobots are magic https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Dz9kLWsiQjc&t=95s Just-In-Timeberlake fucked around with this message at 13:38 on Nov 20, 2021 |
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 13:33
|
|
|
DogsInSpace! posted:I was thinking about watching until this. Salvor the annoying Warden was Gaal’s daughter all along? So she inherited her mom’s psychic power because she is of the sacred bloodline? Hari Seldon, who said before he couldn’t calculate the behaviour of the individual and only the whole species population, was making it up all along and bet the farm on some unknown hillbilly kid from a backwards planet who will save humankind because she is special? We got ghosts pulling strings and wars between planets and power struggles by an all powerful emperor? Is George Lucas writing again? Jesus. Thank you goon for sparing me this. Five minutes of passable court intrigue and good acting surrounded by 90% Star Wars rip-off does not sound fun. Hard pass. Thanks goons. Hopefully enough people stop watching so Apple doesn’t waste the money on season 3+ and the funds go elsewhere. I liked See season 2.They want 8 years of this? you can watch it for the cool scifi spectacle and the ultra smug clone emperors, and just laugh at the bad writing
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 13:42
|
|
|
DogsInSpace! posted:So she inherited her mom’s psychic power because she is of the sacred bloodline? That’s exactly how mentalics worked in the books, it was genetic. The first one Hari found was his own granddaughter (Raych’s daughter). The show just bumped it up a generation. DogsInSpace! posted:Hari Seldon, who said before he couldn’t calculate the behaviour of the individual and only the whole species population, was making it up all along and bet the farm on some unknown hillbilly kid from a backwards planet who will save humankind because she is special? Making what up? And no, he had no idea Gaal could do anything more than be good at math. DogsInSpace! posted:wars between planets and power struggles by an all powerful emperor Right out of the books, though the emperors were not clones and most of the action was offscreen, so to speak. I mean, this show has some terrible writing. Feel free to not watch it. But ”the show took a bunch of ideas from the books“ was a weird bunch of things to complain about amidst all the actual garbage.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 14:55
|
|
|
DogsInSpace! posted:Five minutes of passable court intrigue and good acting surrounded by 90% Star Wars rip-off does not sound fun. To be fair, it's more like 30-40% of passable court intrigue and good acting, and the 60-70% it's surrounded by is more of a Dune rip-off.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 15:12
|
|
|
its HIM posted:That’s exactly how mentalics worked in the books, it was genetic. The first one Hari found was his own granddaughter (Raych’s daughter). The show just bumped it up a generation. It seemed a lot less like a Mary Sue "sacred power" in the book because Salvor Hardin and Raych's daughter the mentalic were separate characters, the latter one in a prequel, though
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 15:28
|
|
|
I'm just pissed that this show got Jared Harris for half the season and The Expanse has to make do with a four second clip once a season.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 16:15
|
|
|
At this point I'm like, gently caress it, 10,000 years of dark ages seems like a small price to pay to avoid this loving show
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 16:50
|
|
|
Cojawfee posted:I'm just pissed that this show got Jared Harris for half the season and The Expanse has to make do with a four second clip once a season. and it was more annoying since his small parts in The Expanse had some incredible character acting like his scene with Miller
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 16:52
|
|
|
its HIM posted:That’s exactly how mentalics worked in the books, it was genetic. The first one Hari found was his own granddaughter (Raych’s daughter). (Minor book spoilers) But Raych was adopted. It wasn't genetics, it was coincidence. And Hari couldn't do the mentalic stuff himself anyway, he just figured out what he was looking at, and that he could use it in the Plan.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:07
|
|
|
its HIM posted:That’s exactly how mentalics worked in the books, it was genetic. The first one Hari found was his own granddaughter (Raych’s daughter). The show just bumped it up a generation. But isn't it the case in Book 3 of the Foundation trilogy that the Second Foundation folks also have telepathic abilities, but gain them through training to unlock humanity's hidden ability rather than through any genetic predisposition. The whole talk with the Mule at the end of that arc seems to indicate as such.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:17
|
|
|
This speculation is pointless the mentalics are just going to be jedi
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:23
|
|
|
Seems to be some kind of gamble, if you plan for Harris to stick around for eight seasons. We gotta start betting what season/episode his AI corrupts into another actor.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:42
|
|
|
I just have to say how absolutely WILD it is that they introduced TWO ways to make a Hari AI. It seems extremely pointless to do so. They literally could have just had the vault be a projector for ship Hari to talk through. There was zero reason to make him an entirely separate Hari who was copied with an entirely different method. It's not like vault Hari wouldn't know the overall plan about the Second Foundation that Ship Hari revealed to Gaal. He knows the secret parts of the plan too. Also Vault Hari has got the much worse existence, only getting to be turned on for 10 minutes every few hundred years, while ship Hari gets to live a more fulsome unlife. That Hari really got the rear end end of that deal.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:49
|
|
|
What happens when Vault Hari and Ship Hari meet? Maybe it’s like crossing the streams?
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:52
|
|
|
withak posted:What happens when Vault Hari and Ship Hari meet? Maybe it’s like crossing the streams? They were both created by real Hari so I assume they know of each other. I guess ship Hari would have more of a claim to be the real Hari since he's on all the time.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:56
|
|
|
withak posted:What happens when Vault Hari and Ship Hari meet? Maybe it’s like crossing the streams? Spaceship man, Spaceship man Doing the things a Spaceship can What's he like? It's not important Spaceship Man Va-ult Man Va-ult Man Va-ult Man hates Spaceship Man They have a fight, Vault Man wins Vault Man
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 17:57
|
|
|
If it's this easy to become an AI holigram, why even clone? Aren't you effectively immortal? I feel like the show accidentally stumbled on a killer premise, but is going to ignore it completely.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 18:08
|
|
|
Combat Pretzel posted:Seems to be some kind of gamble, if you plan for Harris to stick around for eight seasons. We gotta start betting what season/episode his AI corrupts into another actor. If they have it all planned out they could just film all his post-crisis exposition monologues now in one go.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 18:11
|
|
|
Nitrousoxide posted:Also Vault Hari has got the much worse existence, only getting to be turned on for 10 minutes every few hundred years, while ship Hari gets to live a more fulsome unlife. That Hari really got the rear end end of that deal. Nah, Ship Hari has to spend a thousand years doing the grunt work of running the whole Plan. Vault Hari just has to give a few ten-minute pep talks. He'll reach the nice pleasant Second Empire in, like, an hour.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 18:22
|
|
|
S2 plot twist, Vault AI: I am sorry ghsot Hari, the nanomachines son pill you swallowed was altered, you are not 100% of the real Hari....we are still tracing the origin of the alteration....
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:04
|
|
|
remember when gaal destroyed a hyper advanced ship by hitting a monitor
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:13
|
|
|
Blowdryer posted:i started watching the expanse because of recommendations in this thread and holy poo poo it's blatant how terrible foundations writing is because the characters and plot points in this show actually make sense and are compelling. Lol still on season one of the expanse I see
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:14
|
|
|
Hace posted:remember when gaal destroyed a hyper advanced ship by hitting a monitor load bearing glass
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:15
|
|
|
houstonguy posted:Lol still on season one of the expanse I see Have some shark jumping to enjoy.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:45
|
|
|
I love how we use phrases like "jumping the shark" and "crossing the streams" just throwaway lines which capture an entire zeitgeist of a generation somehow, to describe things happening in this show which are trying so loving hard to establish even a minute echo of one of those very simplistic concepts, and the futility of it is like the meme cowboy screaming over the mountains
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:50
|
|
|
There are people who genuinely love this show, I straight up cannot compute how you can over look how fuckin bad it is
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:51
|
|
|
"I have just erased your legacy by killing all 1500 people in your monkeysphere by snapping my fingers" "Very badass but what about all the people that knew those 1500 people? Are you going to kill them too? Someone might uhhh notice" "..."
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:52
|
|
|
|
| # ? Jun 3, 2024 18:28 |
|
|
Google Butt posted:There are people who genuinely love this show, I straight up cannot compute how you can over look how fuckin bad it is I think not knowing one single thing, or even hearing about, the source material is a requirement. Then maybe, just maybe, you might be able to enjoy it.
|
|
#
?
Nov 20, 2021 20:55
|
|