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atriptothebeach posted:It takes a village to raise a child; to count and cashier and endebten received societal assistance is a bad thing, and doing so does not reduce the child to the labor value received or available. A family’s children are not like simply another form of capital to be managed and helping ‘families’ economically is very much not putting capital first. and like, viewing children as like mostly just another debt is like the most toxicly capitalistic viewpoint I think you could have taken. It’s not that children are just another debt, it’s that bosses and jobs and lovely middle managers know that those with children are much more likely to put up with toxic bullshit for far longer because children are expensive as all get out and they need the benefits, etc. For that reason, they’re far less likely to say gently caress you, I quit. I’m for families receiving more assistance from UBI for the mere fact that there are more people in the household, but this isn’t “people with children get more help,” it’s “people without children can get hosed.”
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this seems like you're slowly walking back the scorching hot take of:bloodysabbath posted:if you haven’t reproduced and thus irrevocably handcuffed yourself to a lifetime of servitude to capital by way of one or more living, breathing, eating $250k* debts that must be serviced, you can get hosed, no help for you. why don't I get some sort of financial benefit for *not* having children??  perhaps the benefit is you don't bloodysabbath posted:irrevocably handcuff yourself to a lifetime of servitude to capital by way of one or more living, breathing, eating $250k* debts that must be serviced congratulations you've saved yourself a quarter of a million dollars by not having a kid. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 11:14 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 11:04
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Much like making people resume repaying their student loans 'because that will make it look like the economy is back to normal', it's all about beating the disenfranchised younger generations until they start acting like they're supposed to. The beatings will continue until morale improves.
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Fritz the Horse posted:this seems like you're slowly walking back the scorching hot take of: You can not have kids and still be broke or otherwise need financial assistance  Nobody is saying that people with kids shouldn't be getting any money, just that people without kids also exist and can also use some help.
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Ghost Leviathan posted:Much like making people resume repaying their student loans 'because that will make it look like the economy is back to normal', it's all about beating the disenfranchised younger generations until they start acting like they're supposed to. The beatings will continue until morale improves. Remember when student loan forgiveness was a campaign promise, and Biden just didn't do it via executive action immediately because he wanted it done "the right way", through congress? Also, why not just keep forgiving student loans? Would make for a great incentive to vote Democratic in 2024 - "the other guy isn't going to keep forgiving your student loans"
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bloodysabbath posted:It’s not that children are just another debt, it’s that bosses and jobs and lovely middle managers know that those with children are much more likely to put up with toxic bullshit for far longer because children are expensive as all get out and they need the benefits, etc. For that reason, they’re far less likely to say gently caress you, I quit. I'm in my early thirties right now and I found that for most of my professional life I've had productivity brain where I feel vaguely guilty if I'm not actively working or doing something. The thing is that when you have a baby, there is sort of a primal redefinition of what it means to do something. Singing for fifty minutes is doing something, laying on the floor with your child while they do tummy time is doing something, laying half naked with your kid nuzzles into your chest is doing something, mouthing out vowel sounds is doing something, slowly wiping poop out of their genitals with the precision of a diamond cutter is doing something. Doing something stops being about efficiency and output that the market trains young workers to believe it is. You're right that the demands of money are high and I totally get that. As a teacher I'm sort of navigating how my values extend to how I want to raise my kid and serve him. As a white parent in America, I live in a system that leverages my child in order for me to further serve the interests of white supremacy. But I do think that people make a mistake when they consider how the modern worker is controlled. It is ultimately through the promise of money, but it is often through creating a culture of work. A culture of being defined by your job. The reason that Amazon gets away with taking away people's bathroom breaks for example is because you have enough workers who buy into the idea that giving yourself an UTI is good work ethic. But when you have a baby, suddenly you have this new demand. You have this sort of primal call and competion to the workplace and its culture. I'm not saying that you're entirely wrong of course and it's not all black and white and everyone is different. But I disagree with the idea of a child necessarily making you further the slave of capital. EDIT: To clarify, I'm not saying that having children makes you into a Leftist warrior, but it's not as cut and dry as you make it. Timeless Appeal fucked around with this message at 14:04 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 12:30
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Timeless Appeal posted:But I disagree with the ideal of a child necessarily making you further the slave of capital. Heh, having kids pushed me way far left and utterly anti-statist. But yeah that's no given.
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Nov 21, 2021 12:44
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Sedisp posted:Global civilization will be significantly worse by 2050 assuming the ever worsening don't just collapse it entirely. If you take solace in knowing there will still people grinding away in that misery that is a phenomenal ability to separate yourself from suffering. Like genuinely 100% serious. If your response to this state of enlightenment is to tell people they need to cheer up or look on the bright side you probably should talk to a therapist. What do you think the therapist will say? You should panic more? You should be more like that guy who thinks it’s over and nothing can be done but wants people to be concerned anyway? Even through he thinks nothing can be done? Yeah you ain’t the winner here
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Nov 21, 2021 12:47
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Bel Shazar posted:Heh, having kids pushed me way far left and utterly anti-statist. But yeah that's no given. Does that mean "Libertarian, but from the left"?
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Fame Douglas posted:Does that mean "Libertarian, but from the left"? What's the intersection of anarchist and humanist? E: Anarcho-socialism? I really dont know i've never found a dogma i agree with. Bel Shazar fucked around with this message at 13:25 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 13:23
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Regarde Aduck posted:What do you think the therapist will say? You should panic more? You should be more like that guy who thinks it’s over and nothing can be done but wants people to be concerned anyway? Even through he thinks nothing can be done? They'd probably give you some techniques to better communicate with others who don't agree with your more hopeful point of view in a way that doesn't invalidate their feelings. Of course I'm not the winner. I live on a dying planet being run by people who want to kill it faster. Sedisp fucked around with this message at 13:36 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 13:34
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Sedisp posted:They'd probably give you some techniques to better communicate with others who don't agree with your more hopeful point of view in a way that doesn't invalidate their feelings. Don't worry, friend, the planet has and will survive, likely until the death of the sun itself. It's just the human favoring biosphere that will die.
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A big flaming stink posted:https://twitter.com/RepSwalwell/status/1461843293600423949 This is just an obscenity.
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Timeless Appeal posted:But when you have a baby, suddenly you have this new demand. You have this sort of primal call and competion to the workplace and its culture. I'm not saying that you're entirely wrong of course and it's not all black and white and everyone is different. I'm leaving shortly to go pick my wife up from the hospital because our second came about two weeks early but yeah, this. If anything it's made me veer even more left because I feel like I have even more skin in the game than I did when I was in my 20s and just angry at everything. It's made following politics and current events a lot more exhausting because I don't have as much energy to devote to the day to day issues like I did before, but overall my lines in the sand have been much more heavily defined and I am way more frustrated by "vote blue no matter who" than I was 5-10 years ago. A good example is I always had very strong feelings about reproductive rights and access to abortion but when our daughter was born that went into overdrive. I know that comes off as cliche and implies I didn't value it as much as before, but there's something about a paternal instinct that put me over the edge. There aren't too many dems that waffle on the issue now but I'm in VA and watching Youngkin get elected made my blood boil way more than it would have ten years ago.
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Bel Shazar posted:Don't worry, friend, the planet has and will survive, likely until the death of the sun itself. I feel this is just semantics tbh. If the biosphere that makes earth earth dies the planet (the one any person alive or dead cares about) effectively dies.
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Sedisp posted:I feel this is just semantics tbh. If the biosphere that makes earth earth dies the planet (the one any person alive or dead cares about) effectively dies. Of course it's semantics. They have no other recourse in the face of overwhelming proof.
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Sedisp posted:I feel this is just semantics tbh. If the biosphere that makes earth earth dies the planet (the one any person alive or dead cares about) effectively dies. Seems unnecessarily anthropocentric to me. Other things will live unless we find a way to actually destroy the earth. I don't think we will. Humanity dying =/= earth dying. mdemone posted:Of course it's semantics. They have no other recourse in the face of overwhelming proof. It might help if people used more accurate words to describe situations. Bel Shazar fucked around with this message at 14:28 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 14:26
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 Congrats to this PM toughguy on the big win of fascists being in charge in Virginia for the next 4 years and my recognizing that as a bad thing. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Would have been nice if the Democrats ran a campaign that wasn’t just screaming about Trump then.
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Bel Shazar posted:Seems unnecessarily anthropocentric to me. Other things will live unless we find a way to actually destroy the earth. I don't think we will. Humanity dying =/= earth dying.
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Sedisp posted:I feel this is just semantics tbh. If the biosphere that makes earth earth dies the planet (the one any person alive or dead cares about) effectively dies. Even if the Earth doesn't 'die', the idea of billions of dead, mass extinctions and the collapse of society and civilization leading to even more death and instability should be enough to horrify folks. People are literally watching their homelands disappear in the Marshall Islands and Tuvalu, and the people in charge don't give a poo poo because we've allowed the oldest, crustiest, FYGM'est assholes to control the levers of power.
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Nucleic Acids posted:Would have been nice if the Democrats ran a campaign that wasn’t just screaming about Trump then. You can't say he didn't deliver on what he promised: Trump is not the next governor of Virginia.
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Nov 21, 2021 14:40
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Srice posted:You can't say he didn't deliver on what he promised: Trump is not the next governor of Virginia. apparently this was on the ballot no matter who you voted for! what a world!
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Bel Shazar posted:Seems unnecessarily anthropocentric to me. Other things will live unless we find a way to actually destroy the earth. I don't think we will. Humanity dying =/= earth dying. So yeah it is pointless semantics.
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Fame Douglas posted:Does that mean "Libertarian, but from the left"? It means that they want to privatize the schools and hospitals. So ya, a libertarian.
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TheDisreputableDog posted:Yeah a modicum of googling shows this “peaceful yoga medic” also had military sniper training, was discharged for going AWOL, constantly posted “slay my political enemies” diatribes, owned a bunch of guns, and recently went to fight for a Kurdish terrorist group. He’s basically a living, breathing red flag. So making him a felon is really gonna make him a nice and normal part of society lol
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karthun posted:It means that they want to privatize the schools and hospitals. So ya, a libertarian. Yikes, I can barely eat lunch with all the words you're putting in my mouth.
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karthun posted:It means that they want to privatize the schools and hospitals. So ya, a libertarian. libertarian was originally a leftist idea till the right libertarians co opted it. Now a days it's usually an anarcho communist/socialist that realize the system is irrevocably hosed but they still are utterly obsessed with no one telling them it's bed time.
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How are u posted:It's a good thing that the IIJA and the BBBA are giving out more free poo poo than has ever been given out in our lifetimes, then. BBBA hasn't passed and the IIJA is a highway bill like we have every 10 years.
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As I understand it, the big poo poo hitting the fan moment will be when the weight of the many different angles to climate change cause our already strained & unsustainable systems to buckle and collapse. It will occur on a global scale, think covid/global supply chain except a killing blow. Once global human civilization is in a tailspin we'll lose many important tools to lessen the damage (not that we seem to be interested in that now). Famine, refugees, war, and injustice will envelop the earth, often disproportionately affecting those who contributed the least to climate change. I think there's so many factors that most scientists will be careful not to "predict the future", but I haven't met anybody informed on the issue that really has any hope, especially as our time and options grow ever scarcer. Still, despair is not helpful or healthy. I am determined to have a vision of a constructive way forward. I loving demand a way forward, and as our way of life becomes ever more imperiled one must wonder how many aspects of our way of life can and should even continue Edit basically half measures in service to the status quo are only a good thing within the confines of the status quo. Yes helping people is good, but the system can't and won't really help us in the face of this threat. Incrementalism that lets people think the system will change for the better without massive civic upheaval is arguably bad, even if it materially helps some. We're trying to rush the wheelhouse on the titanic and it takes all of us. Don't let them promise you a drink voucher and a better seat, they've already reserved all the lifeboats. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 15:03
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Bel Shazar posted:Yikes, I can barely eat lunch with all the words you're putting in my mouth. You are the one who opposes fundamental state run services like healthcare and education.
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World Famous W posted:Yes, most people when they seem concerned and talk about the earth dying tend to mean civilization and a sapient species to enjoy it. Funny that Maybe if they could be less self-centered we wouldn't be in as bad of a situation karthun posted:You are the one who opposes fundamental state run services like healthcare and education. Thank you for correcting my understanding of myself. I was under the mistaken impression that i'm in favor of taking governments, laws, and institutions on a case by case basis with an eye to justice and the upholding of human dignity. Are you absolutely sure I am who you think i am? You seem really spun up about someone I don't recognize. Like, by and large I think American schools and its healthcare system are poo poo but the idea itself doesn't seem categorically bad. Bel Shazar fucked around with this message at 15:12 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 15:05
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Bel Shazar posted:Maybe if they could be less self-centered we wouldn't be in as bad of a situation People selfishly not wanting to *check notes* sigh contentedly that at least there will still be many different kind of bugs that will populate their corpse after a hypercane decimates their city.
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Sedisp posted:People selfishly not wanting to Exactly. If people didn't put their selves, families, tribes, nations, and eventually species first we might be able to actually come together and make meaningful improvements to ourselves and our cultures for the betterment of most everything. Though I don't believe we can. BRJohnson posted:Anger is more useful than despair, didn't you say you have kids? We can if enough people demand it. drat forum timeout. I'll grant won't, not can't, that's fair. I think we won't under any circumstances . Then again, guaranteed failure is no excuse to not try. I don't do despair, i prefer cheerful nihilism. Bel Shazar fucked around with this message at 15:29 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Bel Shazar posted:Though I don't believe we Anger is more useful than despair, didn't you say you have kids? We can if enough people demand it. If we "can't" than there is no way forward and we huddle pathetically in the face of doom (or go "lol ya earned it" but surely that's not where you wanna operate). If we simply won't, there is still an avenue to apply pressure. BRJurgis fucked around with this message at 15:23 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Nov 21, 2021 15:21
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Sanguinia posted:Joe Rogan enables fascism just like Republican Politicians like Kasich do [ talking on radio] i've found the braindead take, over (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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Dammerung posted:It does seem like they're going to need to be capable of more than moving goalposts at some point, doesn't it? Only if they want to win and govern successfully.
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