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>checking the Constitution, Article I< Ah here it is: "The Congress may not do a GOD-DAMNED THING unless there are 60 Senate yes votes already in the bag. This is called a filibuster and it's totally in here in writing. Right here in this section, yep, right here it says '60 votes in the Senate to even consider legislation.' It's right next to 'every gun for everyone' and 'Jesus loves the rich and hates the poor.'"
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marshmonkey posted:Is there a better thread to bookmark to keep up with current events? If you find one, let me know.
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mawarannahr posted:Do you not believe toxic positivity is a thing? Is it just something some posters here made up, like the Manchin Cycle? Tons of people are studying this phenomenon at institutions around the world (which doesn’t necessarily mean it exists, but it’s certainly A Thing that you should be aware of). I haven't read it in academic papers I've mostly just seen it used by internet misanthropes mad that people aren't falling in line with their nihilistic bullshit.
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Fallom posted:I haven't read it in academic papers I've mostly just seen it used by internet misanthropes mad that people aren't falling in line with their nihilistic bullshit. Well, it’s still a real thing.
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Nov 21, 2021 16:02
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Toxic positivity is your mom telling you to smile and make friends with the bullies who are trying to get you to kill yourself.
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Nov 21, 2021 16:08
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blackcat12951 posted:If you find one, let me know. Maybe somebody more informed and respected than I can make a thread specifically for big picture/ organizing against the end of our world discussion, I'd be happy to go haunt a thread like that. Neither the collaboration nor climate change threads have the participation and discussions of this thread. That said it's not a news ticker, and the weekends are always more like this. I see plenty of people consistently posting and commenting on varied news (Leon Trotsky for instance).
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How is any of this current events and why is it allowed to just go on and on. Go start a thread about not having kids you loving weirdos.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How is any of this current events and why is it allowed to just go on and on. Go start a thread about not having kids you loving weirdos. Procreation happens daily, friend
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Nov 21, 2021 16:18
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Shageletic posted:So making him a felon is really gonna make him a nice and normal part of society lol Well I was just pointing out the ridiculous slant of that image posted, but “violent online rhetoric is harmless” is certainly a lesson someone can draw in 2021.
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Remember all the people that loved and donated to the Lincoln project? The monkey paw seems to be curling even further. https://twitter.com/CurtMills/status/1462160511089401861 I remember this strategy worked extremely well for a one Hillary Clinton.
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I think they also realized that no one cares about them unless they are going after Trump
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Trump could have won the EC in 2020 despite everything he hosed up and imho he would be a formidable opponent, maybe the most formidable in 2024
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OctaMurk posted:Trump could have won the EC in 2020 despite everything he hosed up and imho he would be a formidable opponent, maybe the most formidable in 2024 Yeah, he seems to have found a vein in a way no one else credibly seems to have. What does give me hope is that, much in the same way incumbency bias helped Trump in 2020, he would be fighting uphill against it in 2024.
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Farchanter posted:Yeah, he seems to have found a vein in a way no one else credibly seems to have. What does give me hope is that, much in the same way incumbency bias helped Trump in 2020, he would be fighting uphill against it in 2024. Except in the eyes of his base, he is the incumbent.
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Ron DeSantis is the only other person in the party who seems to have found a lane threading between the Trump base and the GOP establishment. That only lasts until Trump decides to knife him in the gut, though. I hate the guy (as a Floridian) but I think he'd probably coast to the presidency in 2024 over any of the Dem establishment at this point. I think if they manage to get into a contested primary between DeSantis and Trump it's going to be....not great for the GOP and maybe one of the few scenarios I can imagine where the Dems hang on to the presidency in 2024 barring substantial changes to the environment. You could see them landing on a Trump/DeSantis ticket as kind of the easy way out of that but I don't think Trump is capable of working with anybody even remotely capable of encroaching on his turf. That's why Pence managed to last, he wasn't a threat to Trump's ego.
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:How is any of this current events and why is it allowed to just go on and on. Go start a thread about not having kids you loving weirdos. Enh, current events are why I don't have kids so it's relevant.
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Bel Shazar posted:Seems unnecessarily anthropocentric to me. Other things will live unless we find a way to actually destroy the earth. I don't think we will. Humanity dying =/= earth dying. If beauty in the eye of the beholder and all of the sentient beholders die will there be beauty? Harold Fjord fucked around with this message at 18:11 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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VanillaGorilla posted:Ron DeSantis is the only other person in the party who seems to have found a lane threading between the Trump base and the GOP establishment. That only lasts until Trump decides to knife him in the gut, though. Donnie had a butttube and didnt use anesthesia because he didnt want Pence to have any "had prez powers for so and so hours" in history footnotes.
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Fill Baptismal posted:It's a big country, so I'm sure that there are some people who both pay enough attention to the intricacies of legislation to know about things like the SALT repeal and are also only marginally invested enough in politics that they might not vote. But that's not a big Venn diagram overlap. It just isn't. The people who don't vote aren't by and large the people following things that closely. We're not even talking about doing SOCIALISM to bring out a secret army of socialist voters, we're talking about hundreds of billions of dollars in giveaways to the richest Americans. This claim that everyone who doesn't vote in every election is too stupid to understand what legislation is, is just an argument from contempt that has little to do with how elections actually work. Nationwide elections have lately been decided by a few million votes either way. The 10 million votes Democrats won House elections by in 2018 are less than 3% of the country. Even if 90% of America is too partisan to change their votes or too stupid to understand anything the remainder is still 30 million people. You would need 98% of the country to be too stupid to understand a simple talking point like "Democrats are bailing out wealthy McMansion owners", do you want to gamble on that? Why did Democrats campaign hard in 2018 hammering how bad the Trump tax cuts were for America, was that just a waste of time because voters are too stupid to understand what a tax cut for millionaires is anyway? As well if it really is true that Americans are too thickskulled and troglodytic to understand easy-to-explain legislation like the SALT cap ("more tax breaks for people richer than you"), then the Democrats' standard strategy is insanely pointless. If your estimation of voters' cranial capacities is correct, doing a bunch of invisible bureaucratic tweaks to align market incentives in the direction of preferred outcomes, talking endlessly about wonkish deficit accounting, and polishing their resumes is the worst possible way to do politics. VitalSigns fucked around with this message at 18:27 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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PhazonLink posted:Donnie had a butttube and didnt use anesthesia because he didnt want Pence to have any "had prez powers for so and so hours" in history footnotes. You don't know that. he may have just wanted to enjoy the butttube
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Harold Fjord posted:If beauty in the eye of the beholder and all of the sentient beholders die will there be beauty? Zen and the art of climate cycle maintenance?
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mawarannahr posted:Do you not believe toxic positivity is a thing? Is it just something some posters here made up, like the Manchin Cycle? Tons of people are studying this phenomenon at institutions around the world (which doesn’t necessarily mean it exists, but it’s certainly A Thing that you should be aware of). Toxic positivity is certainly a thing, but I have literally never seen anyone on the internet complain about toxic positivity without also being a huge rear end in a top hat, because the actual academic meaning is getting mangled in the hands of buzzword-loving jerks who like to look smart on internet forums and social media. Look, if you think the world is doomed unless we do poo poo right now, then get out there and start doing your part to poo poo, instead of spending your days in nihilistic shitposting. If you think the world is already doomed and there's nothing that can be done and nothing matters anymore, why the gently caress are you spending humanity's final years telling other people they can't be happy or hopeful? It's just being an rear end
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If you think the HMS Titanic is sinking get out there with a bucket and do your part to help bail out the engine room. If you think the ship is already doomed and there's nothing that can be done why the gently caress are you spending your time telling everyone that they can't be happy or hopeful that everything will just work itself out somehow like magic. It's just being an rear end. Stop pointing out that the uberwealthy seem to think the ship is sinking and are taking all the lifeboats for themselves, you're making everyone feel bad!!
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Main Paineframe posted:Toxic positivity is certainly a thing, but I have literally never seen anyone on the internet complain about toxic positivity without also being a huge rear end in a top hat, because the actual academic meaning is getting mangled in the hands of buzzword-loving jerks who like to look smart on internet forums and social media. Why are you trying to tone police what people are allowed to post? No one cares what you find to be acceptable expression.
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The thing is, establishment Democrats can clearly do whatever the gently caress they want because they have gone through the trouble of building political machines and patrimony networks. This means they will hold their position until the end of their mortal existence on this Earth, if they want. Nancy Pelosi has been elected to EIGHTEEN (!) loving terms. She will never, ever lose her seat no matter how bad things get economically or politically because if she will at that point she has more pressing problems to worry about, like the apocalyptic climate mobs dedicated to using the climate unbelievers as fertilizers. Joe Biden has been in politics since my mom was 11 years old. Even if they lose their seats they will be millionaires. Most of them are old enough not to see things get hosed up to a degree they will ever have to see things. If, like some other people have raised, the left has to be cynical as gently caress, why can't they channel that into political ruthlessness? Is maintaining the moral purity, family relations and friendships of a of (some) Americans really worth the world burning down, like so many people believe here regardless of timeframe? I get that authorities have hit the left harder than the right but if anything I'd just think that would make the remaining ones more willing to use all means available. If all cynicism makes one do is not vote for the Democrats, they have done absolutely nothing to the ultimate fact that the establishment will still die fat and happy.
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Fame Douglas posted:Why are you trying to tone police what people are allowed to post? No one cares what you find to be acceptable expression. I don't think that's tone policing and he's right. This forum is full of prospective revolutionaries who don't seem to ever actually do anything other than make tens of thousands of posts on a dead "comedy" forum. There was a prominent online leftist who ran for office and his rotten online leftist brain caused him to piss away everything in a single term lol. But even that guy at least had the fortitude to leave his room, so I respect him far more than the countless screeching leftists on these forums who have been doomposting for over half a decade now with no sign of stopping. These dudes are going to be posting "dems bad!" in the last few seconds of their sad existence as the next government sponsored kyle rittenhouse takes aim before splattering their brains on the pavement. lmao! Get a job. Leave your room. Stop obsessively posting on SA. Put your principles to use and try to actually help people.
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Main Paineframe posted:Look, if you think the world is doomed unless we do poo poo right now, then get out there and start doing your part to poo poo, instead of spending your days in nihilistic shitposting. I think your posts are often informative, but you keep being overly challenging to people exhibiting a very reasonable reaction to the increasingly bleak prospects we face as a species. Calling for alarm and collaborative action can only be wrong in the sense that this thread might not be the place to discuss it. People's feelings about the future for them, their children, and the world certainly seem relevant. Do you disagree with my earlier layman's interpretation of the consequences of climate change? I've personally seen you in the last week calling out "the left" for not doing enough, and I nodded alond because I thought you were advocating more change, more action. Now it's starting to sound more like just wanting them to shut up and go away.
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Main Paineframe posted:Look, if you think the world is doomed unless we do poo poo right now, then get out there and start doing your part to poo poo, instead of spending your days in nihilistic shitposting. Who are you to say anyone isn't? The doomposting is intended to make you rethink your strategy, and give up hope in places like Democratic legislatures, not give up hope entirely. Or it's just blowing off steam.
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Vorik posted:
I'm stuck on a plane, this is all I have right now.
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Main Paineframe posted:Toxic positivity is certainly a thing, but I have literally never seen anyone on the internet complain about toxic positivity without also being a huge rear end in a top hat, because the actual academic meaning is getting mangled in the hands of buzzword-loving jerks who like to look smart on internet forums and social media. You're not completely wrong here but it's also invalidating to other people's experiences and emotions. Like it's fine to console someone but to tell them "just ignore it" is both harmful to the person and convenient for the messenger. Also same for "well you go fix it." To be clear here, I'm discussing the topic not talking at you in particular. Edit: an analogous example. I had a cancer scare earlier this year. I told a friend and they responded "it could be worse." Yeah, it could be, but that's not comforting, doesn't help me at all, and is ignoring what the actual problem is. The Sean fucked around with this message at 19:08 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Main Paineframe posted:If you think the world is already doomed and there's nothing that can be done and nothing matters anymore, why the gently caress are you spending humanity's final years telling other people they can't be happy or hopeful? It's just being an rear end Because something CAN be done. The world is only doomed because people with power are refusing to do anything to make it not doomed. If that hope is causing people to be complacent in the face of a catastrophe then yes, absolutely, that hope should be ruthlessly crushed. And just to be clear, no you don't need to be a dick to people out of nowhere for being happy they just had a kid or something. But you should definitely be pushing back against people advocating for inaction on the premise that things will magically work themselves out in the end somehow after enough people die.
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Shageletic posted:BBBA hasn't passed and the IIJA is a highway bill like we have every 10 years. I think the BBBA will pass, and the IIJA is much much more than a highway bill.
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Those are fair points but I guess where I don’t agree is that at multiple points I’ve seen people yank out the doom post routine to silence other conversations. It literally happened to me like two pages ago because I dared to say that the early childhood funds in BBB are important and potentially worth other compromises. Like I think it’s fine to disagree and say that they’re not, but I don’t think going “lol gently caress them kids they’re gunna die anyway” is useful, leftist praxis, or somehow morally superior.
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"I'm just venting" is a bullshit excuse to be an rear end in a top hat and say dumb poo poo
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Seyser Koze posted:You don't know that. lmao yes dude!!! freaking epic lols over here XD I bet his gay boyfriend Vladimir Putin put the tube in his butt because they’re queer gays who love butthole pleasures lmfao XD XD XD
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BRAKE FOR MOOSE posted:Who are you to say anyone isn't? Maybe the people who are could mention it once in a while? I try hard to put my money where my mouth is and I'm active in organizing and electoral work. Somehow I, a person with clinical depression and who had immense climate-doom-brain a few years ago, am able to pull myself together enough to make an effort to make change. But the "the planet is dead in our lifetime!!" folks never seem to toss a "and I'm actively trying to stop it" in their posting. It's just a depressive doom spiral that leads to blackpilled nihilism.
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How are u posted:Maybe the people who are could mention it once in a while? I try hard to put my money where my mouth is and I'm active in organizing and electoral work. Somehow I, a person with clinical depression and who had immense climate-doom-brain a few years ago, am able to pull myself together enough to make an effort to make change. Honestly I bet they do enough in their personal lives in the case of climate action, though I guess individual zero emissions is a bit harder to do in America. It's the political action that I am not convinced is really enough, or if it is, it is a wasted effort channeled towards addressing the symptoms instead of the disease. Mutual aid is great but without organization or aims to achieve political end results it is just a nice thing to do. And it's the embrace of the people with the worst opinions on climate change that I really don't understand.
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How are u posted:Maybe the people who are could mention it once in a while? I try hard to put my money where my mouth is and I'm active in organizing and electoral work. Somehow I, a person with clinical depression and who had immense climate-doom-brain a few years ago, am able to pull myself together enough to make an effort to make change. I help run a street medic organization and help organize others in other states. I've funded and equipped what groups i can, where i find general alignment, to whatever extent i can. This week i extended a business trip, in part, to participate in a protest in Paris so that the women protesting would see another man supporting them. I'm doing my best to convince my family to move to Virginia so that we might help tip the scales slightly. I've almost completely removed meat from my diet. None of it is going to matter, and that fact isn't going to stop me. DarkCrawler posted:Mutual aid is great but without organization or aims to achieve political end results it is just a nice thing to do. And it's the embrace of the people with the worst opinions on climate change that I really don't understand. I don't believe electoralism will work and i am not an inspiring leader. I'm the wrong person to carry that message. I can just try to provide support for people who might. Bel Shazar fucked around with this message at 19:35 on Nov 21, 2021 |
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Vorik posted:Get a job. Leave your room. Stop obsessively posting on SA. Put your principles to use and try to actually help people. Hey, how about we not make assumptions about what other posters' lives are like? That seems really loving rude. Do you think you'd like it if people made the same assumptions about you? And for gently caress's sake, it's an internet discussion forum. It's a place for people to post. If you want to tell people to stop posting and go outside (again, assuming that they literally do nothing but post), then you might as well close all of D&D. You're just telling people to shut up in more words. Should we all have to tell everyone what we're doing IRL in order to post?
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Heck Yes! Loam! posted:Remember all the people that loved and donated to the Lincoln project? The monkey paw seems to be curling even further. TBH I'd rather his geriatic demented rear end vs. Cawthorn or one of the other Nazi nut jobs Much in the same way I'd prefer a poo poo sandwich to one full of broken glass
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