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Payndz posted:What happens the first time they run into some unknown race from the Delta or Gamma Quadrants who have time travel tech and are more than willing to use it? "B-b-but the Treaty of Bliddlefarp!" some Fed cries as they're erased from existence. Galactic treaty! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TwF1iri1GjQ&t=1269s Super Deuce fucked around with this message at 18:39 on Nov 28, 2021 |
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Chef Boyardeez Nuts posted:Hooting and hollering that the loss of gravity would not provide just enough upward momentum for them to get stuck Laws of physics dictate that when there is a gravity malfunction you float perfectly between the ceiling and floor.
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Typical Pubbie posted:I thought it was a bit silly for the doctor to be treating superficial wounds and doling out therapy while the bridge was on fire. If there was a reprieve from the action it would make sense to do first aid, but once things start exploding on Discovery they don't stop until it's time for the denoument. Therapy was a bit silly and... is he qualified for that? but healing people in action is definitely something wish we saw in classic Treks. It's a shame we mostly saw him heal a couple of face wounds, not the people bleeding internally or concussed from the gravity slams, but I can use my imagination to assume he was treating them as well. Thing I'd take issue with here is why is he doing it physically himself, waving the magical wand is TNG/Voy/DS9 era stuff. By Disco future, there should either be little swarms of programmable matter that do that automatically once any injury detected, if not, a beam or whatever that shoots out and does the magic wand stuff without anyone having to stop and get involved. If not that, you wanna keep medic character around obviously, then they could be interfacing wirelessly with the computer to be doing the medtech stuff. IDK, just lack of future imagination and application. Most Disco future tech would probably be fine in the tail end of golden age trek in the timeline. Hell, people hated the "wish" gun from Picard but that's totally in-line more with the kind of poo poo I'd expect of future tech. Hell, split Culber in phase or whatever and have ten culbers around to heal anyone and himself asdamage happens. Plenty of injuries shipwide and could do the same with other med personnel. IDK just brainstorming.
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Payndz posted:What happens the first time they run into some unknown race from the Delta or Gamma Quadrants who have time travel tech and are more than willing to use it? "B-b-but the Treaty of Bliddlefarp!" some Fed cries as they're erased from existence. Eh, I see the Temporal War as something where basically infinity things have already happened, you get a splintering mess of timelines swirling off each other as different time-travel equipped people from across time and space all get sucked in as they all try to use time travel to advance their agenda before they even had that agenda. You can fit the whole of Doctor Who into the temporal wars, it's just going to be a mess and because the timey wimey nature of it, you're already dealing with the odd alien fro mthe future who gets into using time travel because time travel manipulation always leads back to the suckass time-war mess and all it entails. I reckon any treaty or resolution to the temporal conflicts is because everyone's already tried time travel thi and that and it always leads to the same chaotic mess that's technically already or is happening. The timeline we watch on TV is one in which everyone in their timeball sorted it out agreed to just ununununundo everything and let the timeline they exist in finally just be regular and let's all agree to keep it that way because it took infinity of time war to sort out the mess once.
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Khanstant posted:Thing I'd take issue with here is why is he doing it physically himself, waving the magical wand is TNG/Voy/DS9 era stuff.
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semi related, do people in the future enjoy pooping or could Zora there send out her wall-e bots to teleport the poop from bowels to recycle into food without anyone having to partake in the indignity of waste expulsion spaces.
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.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? Why send anyone anywhere ever?
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship?
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? They weren’t sure the connection would hold I thought.
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Payndz posted:Discovery/Red Dwarf crossover when? The red dwarf universe would eat them alive. Only way to get by is just to chill the gently caress out and try not to let the meaningless mess the universe is get to you. That's not really the Discover crew. Although Reno would be fine.
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Super Deuce posted:At some point a lot of bad actors and directors decided that if you’re incapable of actually showing emotion or sincerity you should whisper instead. Khanstant posted:semi related, do people in the future enjoy pooping or could Zora there send out her wall-e bots to teleport the poop from bowels to recycle into food without anyone having to partake in the indignity of waste expulsion spaces. 
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Super Deuce posted:They weren’t sure the connection would hold I thought. Yeah, Stamets mentioned that and Michael mentioned they were keeping Book's ship tethered to stay within wifi range. Though later on they aren't able to get a strong enough connection to send the scan data back to the ship but that somehow doesn't affect the connection between Holo Stamets and Meat Stamets.
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Haven't watched any episodes for this season yet. Has MICHAEL BURNHAM still rolled 20's for all her stats?
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Ramadu posted:did u watch the episode...? the gravity thing happens twice Try it, every time 2 characters start to talk to each other alone just skip it. I promise it almost makes it an enjoyable show.
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DaveKap posted:Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. LOL, Second time Saru lands fine but they comped the dude on the right on the ground from the first shot.
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? Yeah, that was my one problem with the episode.
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? They mentioned that the holo would be unstable at a distance, but the tether would help keep it steady. If they lost the tether and both of them were holos then the ship would be completely lost. Book, who made it very clear that he's a civilian and can do whatever he wants, and who was also acting irrationally out of grief, wouldn't have wanted to lose his ship for a silly reason like a bad connection. Of course, when the tether got snapped, Stamets didn't get any more unstable, but that's just Discovery's writers setting up something and failing to deliver on it, which is not a novel concept. I think the holo setup was literally just there to sidestep the question of sending both spore drive navigators on a suicide trip, which they actually explicitly call out when introducing the concept.
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Khanstant posted:Hell, people hated the "wish" gun from Picard but that's totally in-line more with the kind of poo poo I'd expect of future tech. Hell, split Culber in phase or whatever and have ten culbers around to heal anyone and himself asdamage happens. Plenty of injuries shipwide and could do the same with other med personnel. IDK just brainstorming. What was the "wish gun"?
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Neddy Seagoon posted:What was the "wish gun"? That little TiVo remote control thing that Soong (maybe it was Soji, I can't remember, definitely someone in Soong's little android cult) gave the team at the end of the first season. Rios just pointed at La Sirena's warp core and magically fixed a terminally hosed critical part of it, and then Jurati pushes a few buttons on it during the showdown with Oh's armada and it created like 100 hologram La Sirenas to form some kind of Mega Picard Maneuver. It was flat out stated to be able to interpret whatever its user wanted and make it happen. It was a wish gun.
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nine-gear crow posted:That little TiVo remote control thing that Soong (maybe it was Soji, I can't remember, definitely someone in Soong's little android cult) gave the team at the end of the first season. Rios just pointed at La Sirena's warp core and magically fixed a terminally hosed critical part of it, and then Jurati pushes a few buttons on it during the showdown with Oh's armada and it created like 100 hologram La Sirenas to form some kind of Mega Picard Maneuver. It was flat out stated to be able to interpret whatever its user wanted and make it happen. Oh right, that stupid thing. I swear that prop came from a new-age store.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh right, that stupid thing. I swear that prop came from a new-age store. You know, if this were the old days of trek, it'd have a crystal on it.
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My hot take is that the wish gun was good as a concept because really there should be more tech floating around in this setting that's indistinguishable from magic. Between all the replicators and psionic stuff that's already established, I didn't have much of a problem buying that race of Datas would come up with a tool like that. Kind of makes more sense to me than seeing super ubermench androids press physical buttons or whatever. And from a narrative standpoint it adds to the flavor of how advanced and precious their little society is. Drink-Mix Man fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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Not that it was any better, but we did already see an ancient weapon that can apparently detect ill intent in a person in a TNG two-parter. Magic devices that make no sense are a cornerstone of Trek.
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Big Mean Jerk posted:Not that it was any better, but we did already see an ancient weapon that can apparently detect ill intent in a person in a TNG two-parter. On its own, sure. But Picard wanted to be a hard sci-fi people making hard choices show, so it doesn't get to have its cake and eat it too. Whoever designed the (legitimately cool and interesting) space-defense flowers and wish gun seemed to want to do "Actual" Star Trek but didn't get the memo about the rest of the show.
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Pastamania posted:.....if they can put holographic characters on Books ship, why was Book on Books ship? They also went out of their way to show that Grudge was still on board Book's ship before going on the suicide mission, didn't they? Which I thought was an odd decision to say the least.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:On its own, sure. But Picard wanted to be a hard sci-fi people making hard choices show, so it doesn't get to have its cake and eat it too. Whoever designed the (legitimately cool and interesting) space-defense flowers and wish gun seemed to want to do "Actual" Star Trek but didn't get the memo about the rest of the show. Say whatever you will about the show, but I don't think being hard sci-fi was on their priority list at any point.
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Drink-Mix Man posted:Say whatever you will about the show, but I don't think being hard sci-fi was on their priority list at any point. They very clearly wanted to ape the style of shows like The Expanse, if not Mass Effect, with the lighting, holograms, etc. So yeah it kinda was.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They very clearly wanted to ape the style of shows like The Expanse, if not Mass Effect, with the lighting, holograms, etc. So yeah it kinda was. Maybe in a set dressing sort of way but the writing is about as nonsensical as Trek ever is from a sci-fi standpoint.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Oh right, that stupid thing. I swear that prop came from a new-age store. So far: Disco IV is maybe a little better than season 3? The writing is still a dumpster fire but overall it feels a bit more confident and settled. You can still hear the writers' room jerking themselves off over how clever and edgy they are, especially those cringey 'power of math!!' scenes where the camera swings between characters as they finish each others' sentences. But goddamn it, Saru is a treasure.
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They better not get rid of Saru, because he's the only legit good Trek character on the show also Doug Jones is a national treasure
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I think my problem with Picard's wish gun is not that it was effectively magic but that the two things that it did were entirely unrelated to each other. If it was a magic "fix whatever this is pointed at" gun then that would be cool, and if it was a magic "create perfect illusions" tool then that would be neat too. They should have either had it do a third unrelated thing to cement it as a do-anything tool or just had it do one thing, like maybe having the fix-it tool repair the Borg cube so it could fight the Romulans. The rule of three is important!! 
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blastron posted:I think my problem with Picard's wish gun is not that it was effectively magic but that the two things that it did were entirely unrelated to each other. If it was a magic "fix whatever this is pointed at" gun then that would be cool, and if it was a magic "create perfect illusions" tool then that would be neat too. They should have either had it do a third unrelated thing to cement it as a do-anything tool or just had it do one thing, like maybe having the fix-it tool repair the Borg cube so it could fight the Romulans. Yeah I think if it was just one or the other it would've worked better. No one questions what a medical tricorder can do, we just know if a doctor waves it over you it makes you stop being sick. But if the medical tricorder suddenly was shooting pies at people it'd feel out of place, even if neither is no less 'magic'.
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Neddy Seagoon posted:They very clearly wanted to ape the style of shows like The Expanse, if not Mass Effect, with the lighting, holograms, etc. So yeah it kinda was. I don't think they even think about it that specifically so much as they just go 'this is what modern sci fi looks like' as a given. It's all so very generic. Modern sci-fi is semitransparent very thin lined largely single hued holographic user interfaces hovering in a flat plane in front of the user, so that has to be what they do to 'update' things. MikeJF fucked around with this message at 08:23 on Nov 29, 2021 |
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DaveKap posted:Yo, I went to a concert last night and took some footage of when the beat dropped. They have no way to deal with something happening twice, when it's obvious it might happen again, like turning on magnetic boots, since beaming on clothing is a thing and morphable space suits are also a thing, one that everyone seems to wear? No programmable matter bar to hook their feet over to stay in place? And it seemed that when Tilly and Saru were talking in the corridor, there were a couple of plain old paramedic-sized oxygen tanks on the wall. Those would have been helpful in the end of last season as the deck slowly depressurized, as well as the space suits that we see in lockers at junctions.
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Roadie posted:I immediately think of that one TNG episode where Riker had the face ridges and whatever (was there a hand thing?), where the physical changes are implicitly such a minor thing that the episode doesn't even bother to cover them being applied or removed beyond "yeah, Riker was undercover, cool stuff". Troi was once kidnapped and surgically altered to look Romulan, so it's clearly possible to do it with very little preparation or facilities. More impressive is when Worf had cosmetic surgery that reduced his ridges and the size of his skull. That seems a lot trickier than adding bits on.
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