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I don't think it works anymore, people's distrust the media has never been higher, it's to the point where they are just dying en masse and nobody cares. Almost all of the media is now just a few rich people writing letters to other rich people, I don't think there has ever been a point in time where this nonsense has been so tepidly received by the masses. It's just let them eat cake fantasy poo poo.
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Dec 2, 2021 15:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:yes and yes You can even see it within CSPAM, look at the conversation in regards to China in the capitalism thread. The general userbase of CSPAM leans left but outside a couple of threads it's mostly just "progressive libs".
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Dec 2, 2021 15:14
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Pryor on Fire posted:https://twitter.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1466380049108639749 The other day I realized that I honestly couldn't tell you what Trump was impeached for (the first time) without looking it up. So ... Yep!
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Dec 2, 2021 15:21
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Flavahbeast posted:Moscow is as close or nearly as close to the borders of Estonia, Finland and Latvia though Do you think the US would permit Russian nukes in Cuba? Russia won't permit American forces in Ukraine. That's the security concern.
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Dec 2, 2021 15:30
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Granted, a big part of the fear of China isn’t that the PLA will land in San Francisco, but they will provide an alternative model and source of competition that will force the US to act differently to both the developing world and its own population. People in DC really don’t want that, they are happy with the way things are including the chaos. Also, the Western media is still getting most of the job done even if cracks are forming. It doesn’t help that particularly the US doesn’t seem reformable at this point due to too many interlocking factors. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:36 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 15:31
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Ardennes posted:Granted, a big part of the fear of China isn’t that the PLA will land in San Francisco, but they will provide an alternative model and source of competition that will force the US to act differently to both the developing world and its own population. People in DC really don’t want that, they are happy with the way things are including the chaos. isn't that the obvious undercurrent? China kneecaps the hegemon? not dissing you or anything, it's just that the contestation of the american way is a fundamental element to demonize China
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Dec 2, 2021 15:35
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Ardennes posted:Granted, a big part of the fear of China isn’t that the PLA will land in San Francisco, but they will provide an alternative model and source of competition that will force the US to act differently to both the developing world and its own population. People in DC really don’t want that, they are happy with the way things are including the chaos. Yeah I think you're onto something, check out this story about how some company sold a lovely mine which then gets spun into this means the collapse of the future for the USA, China now owns us. https://twitter.com/EricLiptonNYT/status/1462029813028376583 This whole article makes zero sense unless you view it from the perspective of power brokers just losing control of the chaos.
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Dec 2, 2021 15:38
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dead gay comedy forums posted:isn't that the obvious undercurrent? China kneecaps the hegemon? It is still worth mentioning simply due to the fact of how rarely it is connected with domestic American politics. The BBB plan, increased defense spending, and the fed pumping the stock market is all part of the same desperate strategy to, in the long term, keep most of mankind in their place by trying to push out any alternative. It is why reformism in the US will never occur unless it designed to prevent more genuine changes in the future. Hell if you really want to be cynical, the lack resistance of Roe V Wade being overturned is rooted in the fact it is going to produce more bodies at the end of the day as economic fodder versus you know what. It is a giant chess game being played so only one side can win them in the future. Ardennes has issued a correction as of 15:52 on Dec 2, 2021 |
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Dec 2, 2021 15:40
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Ardennes posted:It is still worth mentioning simply due to the fact of how rarely it is connected with domestic American politics. very true
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Dec 2, 2021 15:41
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Pryor on Fire posted:I don't think it works anymore, people's distrust the media has never been higher, it's to the point where they are just dying en masse and nobody cares. it absolutely works
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Dec 2, 2021 16:11
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there was some dumbass not even a few pages ago in this thread uncritically posting a clickbait headline about how china's evilly debt trapping africa, this stuff is pretty effective: https://twitter.com/DanielDumbrill/status/1466407676359823369
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Dec 2, 2021 16:18
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Your average person is too engaged in living their own lives and dealing with their own affairs to really pay attention to current events, or even get news or analysis from the right sources. The other main reason is that you have generations of accumulated stereotyping and resentment, so a lot of fear of foreign people and governments is buoyed by inherited prejudice.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:19
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and like the ultimate point of all of it is every conversation, even with people who think the prc's good, gets dragged into the mud spending 90% of the time discussing bad faith propaganda instead of anything real happening
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Dec 2, 2021 16:20
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I live in the middle of Chudland, USA so my anecdotes are probably heavily weighted toward the extreme. From where I'm sitting, it seems like the US could nuke several Chinese cities tomorrow killing tens of millions in a flash and the president's approval rating would go up 20% overnight. If some US military account tweeted out a picture of a nuclear warhead that would later explode and vaporize Peng Shuai with #WHERESPENGSHUAI written on the side that tweet would get 1,000,000 likes. Some people are anxious about America's obvious decline. Some people are western chauvinists who will never accept the idea of a non-white country having legitimate geopolitical sway. Some people consume the news in such a way that if you approach them and say "hey did you hear that the Chinese government executed a female golfer because she got raped and also they've murdered 200 million Wiggler Muslims because they hate religion" they will say "ah yes I heard about that on the news we must do something." poo poo freaks me out, tbh.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:22
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yeah basically everyone I know who isn’t an active socialist or cspam poster is taking the anti-china propaganda hook, like, and sinker. it is extremely frustrating, but nationalism trumping class solidarity has been the great unsolved mystery for a hundred years now so idk
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Dec 2, 2021 16:28
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maybe I just don’t know how to talk anti-war like a normal person
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Dec 2, 2021 16:29
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DiscountDildos posted:poo poo freaks me out, tbh. The freakiest thing about it is how inconsequential most of it ultimately is. Like, nobody is going to be thinking about Peng Shuai at all in another couple weeks. It's just going to be another file locked away in the brain cabinet labeled "fascist China." I'd be really concerned if the paranoia was being ratcheted up to Brazilian levels, and it's a mainstream right wing conspiracy theory that China is making the kids gay.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:31
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Centrist Committee posted:yeah basically everyone I know who isn’t an active socialist or cspam poster is taking the anti-china propaganda hook, like, and sinker. it is extremely frustrating, but nationalism trumping class solidarity has been the great unsolved mystery for a hundred years now so idk yep. for me this even includes some americans literally living in china who don’t believe their own lying eyes
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Dec 2, 2021 16:35
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Everyone in this country is so bloodthristy, it owns.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:35
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Our main saving grace is that all the most radically activated boomers think they're waging a war by posting on the internet.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:36
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Centrist Committee posted:yeah basically everyone I know who isn’t an active socialist or cspam poster is taking the anti-china propaganda hook, like, and sinker. it is extremely frustrating, but nationalism trumping class solidarity has been the great unsolved mystery for a hundred years now so idk The antifada dullard considers himself to be a well read marxist and bought the china debt trap article without actually looking into it.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:37
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american guy who hasn’t left mainland china since 2019 and literally pays money to read wapo: “why is china being such a baby about all this covid stuff? america has figured out how to open the borders and it seems fine there”
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Dec 2, 2021 16:38
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DiscountDildos posted:I live in the middle of Chudland, USA so my anecdotes are probably heavily weighted toward the extreme. From where I'm sitting, it seems like the US could nuke several Chinese cities tomorrow killing tens of millions in a flash and the president's approval rating would go up 20% overnight. If some US military account tweeted out a picture of a nuclear warhead that would later explode and vaporize Peng Shuai with #WHERESPENGSHUAI written on the side that tweet would get 1,000,000 likes. lol this is the poo poo that freaks u out? after living thru 9/11 and all the other bullshit for the past 2 decades? did everyone forget the humiliating withdrawal from afghanistan already? like wtf lol
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Dec 2, 2021 16:40
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-ITKrCr0I I still get a good laugh out of the town hall where a bunch of British people kept on pressing Corbyn about why he wouldn't annihilate millions of people with a nuclear bomb. The lady at the end of the clip calls them out.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:42
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fits my needs posted:lol this is the poo poo that freaks u out? after living thru 9/11 and all the other bullshit for the past 2 decades? did everyone forget the humiliating withdrawal from afghanistan already? like wtf lol Uh yeah this poo poo freaks me out because of the post-9/11 hysteria and what all that led to. I don't understand the rebuttal
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Dec 2, 2021 16:44
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I would say the “freaky” part is we aren’t even close to show time yet since the PRC won’t (and can’t) let up, wait a couple years from now, that is when poo poo will get extreme.
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Dec 2, 2021 16:49
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what’s the 2 sentence summary of this whole peng shui ordeal? i’ve managed to avoid this whole story but for a couple headlines here and there surely it can’t be worse than the charnel house of child + adult sex abuse that was/is the US women’s national gymnastics program
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Dec 2, 2021 16:50
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AnimeIsTrash posted:The antifada dullard considers himself to be a well read marxist and bought the china debt trap article without actually looking into it. not surprising unfortunately there's this problem in parts of the left where the marxism shuts down when analyzing such things. It takes the argument from capital's premises when the discussion is about the details of its actions, like international debt/credit relations. This is where people like Varoufakis become crucial because they have the knowledge of capitalism as it is to bridge that gap of course that the African countries are becoming indebted to China, that's an explicit part of the deal. While the indicators appear to configure a debt trap scenario, China doesn't have an interest of such because it hinders them as well in the most crucial element, trade. Different parts of the Chinese government are absolutely transparent in their economic pursuits and it isn't a humanitarian matter at all, it's just Ricardian capitalism relations, which is a much better alternative to the usual imperial dynamics. China is happy to renegotiate the debt and it's another of their terms that are extremely more favorable than the IMF/World Bank/WTO/whatever and this also falls into the more complicated discussion of learning about Chinese marxism and their own theoreticians' work about the development of capitalist relations, the considerations of party leadership on the matter, the failures and setbacks by those who had just a tad too much liberal sympathy, how that informs the current governance and so on
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Dec 2, 2021 16:55
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https://twitter.com/mr_scientism/status/1466135690060742656?s=20 https://twitter.com/mr_scientism/status/1466136437745717257?s=20
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Dec 2, 2021 17:03
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AnimeIsTrash posted:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cU-ITKrCr0I 
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Dec 2, 2021 17:10
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DiscountDildos posted:Uh yeah this poo poo freaks me out because of the post-9/11 hysteria and what all that led to. cuz it’s the same crap as before lol, freaking out about it isn’t going to change the propaganda or wake up the sheeple or whatever 
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Dec 2, 2021 17:17
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fits my needs posted:cuz it’s the same crap as before lol, freaking out about it isn’t going to change the propaganda or wake up the sheeple or whatever It is but this time isn’t going to ever end; you will be on your death bed having mindcasts about the PRC zapped into your brain.
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Dec 2, 2021 17:34
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AnimeIsTrash posted:You can even see it within CSPAM, look at the conversation in regards to China in the capitalism thread. The general userbase of CSPAM leans left but outside a couple of threads it's mostly just "progressive libs". If it wasn't for this thread (and following key anti-imperialist figures on Twitter) I wouldn't see most of the debunking for the big lies getting thrown around
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Dec 2, 2021 17:41
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lol, the US Defense Secretary doesn't know what decade it is. https://www.reuters.com/world/us-defense-secretary-eyes-international-response-russia-ukraine-2021-12-02/
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Dec 2, 2021 17:42
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SorePotato posted:Who cares loser, your spinning bowtie cannot lead me astray from Xi Jinping Thought. I live eternal in the people's heavenly army, while you, a CIA brain floating in a jar, are set to be replaced in two weeks
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Dec 2, 2021 17:43
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Ardennes posted:It is but this time isn’t going to ever end; you will be on your death bed having mindcasts about the PRC zapped into your brain. i welcome the new-old articles of china collapsing.....soon
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Dec 2, 2021 17:45
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https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1466448905311293445?t=OdL7D7Fa8b2pWP8CUkfIOA&s=19 Lmfao
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Dec 2, 2021 17:54
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gradenko_2000 posted:it's easy to forget when you're in CSPAM but there are a LOT of people that just uncritically believe all of this poo poo about China
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Dec 2, 2021 18:18
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Wraith of J.O.I. posted:what’s the 2 sentence summary of this whole peng shui ordeal? i’ve managed to avoid this whole story but for a couple headlines here and there For the sexual assault allegations the situation is best surmised with her own statement. For the rest: lmao Jen Psaki was saying she was dead on TV at the same time Peng was posting on Weibo.
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Dec 2, 2021 18:19
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://twitter.com/mkraju/status/1466448905311293445?t=OdL7D7Fa8b2pWP8CUkfIOA&s=19 Reminder: pelosi fought to increase funding on America's actual, literal concentration camps
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Dec 2, 2021 18:20
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