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From what I understand most Quiverfull are in poverty due to having a lot of kids, and it is the few at the top with all the money and power promising one day they can be just like them. I think they also got a new TLC show at some point? It didn't have Josh, but the rest of the Duggars gradually wormed their way back in.
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Funky See Funky Do posted:He looks pretty young there. Maybe 20ish. He's probably spent most of his life being told to smile for the cameras and put on a good face for the family and is just defaulting to that behaviour after an unexpected camera got shoved in his face. It's almost certainly this. BtB talks about it at length that all the kids have how to act in public drilled into them from an early age and they are strict about it. That kid was never trained for something like this, though.
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Binary Badger posted:I mean, what the gently caress are they thinking.. that this is some kind of loving game show? "Hooray, we're famous again! We haven't been on TV in 6 years! I was 14 the last time, that sucked. Maybe I'll meet some hot chicks at this trial."
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Dec 3, 2021 04:42
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When their original show 19 Kids And Counting (2008-2015)was running, according to various Internet articles they were paid $25-45,000 per episode, one article totaled it up to about $850K a year.. and it ran for 10 seasons. The old show focused on all the family. The newer show Counting On (2015-2021) picked up after the above show was cancelled due to the Josh molestation story getting out, and now IT is cancelled because of, once again, Josh loving up with the arrest for CP, but there's no reason to think they were getting paid any less from the new show while it lasted for another five years.. Counting On initially focused on the elder two daughters but eventually spread out back to include the entire family, including (ugh) Josh. The family has been getting a check from TLC for the past 13 years so they're likely well off, maybe not super rich since the money has to be split among so many people, but they're definitely better off than the average family on the whole, since they got that network payday for 13 years straight AND continue to receive charity from multiple sources. Binary Badger fucked around with this message at 04:54 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 04:50
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Binary Badger posted:the money has to be split among so many people Lol what are you, drunk?
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Dec 3, 2021 04:51
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Pot Smoke Phoenix posted:TLC made them all that way I'm sure, they're more than likely hard wired since birth when they see a camera to wave and smile; I'm sure their father was instrumental for making that happen. A little ways back, but the Quiverfulls, and the Duggars in particular have a weird thing about smiling/being happy. I don't know the full details/theology of it but it's along the lines of "If you are sad then it is God punishing you for something bad you did/thought. So it is important that you are always happy and look happy." It, and the fact that they were "blanket trained" as youngsters, (look it up if you want to read about child torture) explains their weird 'practiced' performative smiles, and stiff formal "I'm fine, there is nothing bad going on" attitudes.
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SilvergunSuperman posted:Lol what are you, drunk? Okay, Jim Bob is probably pocketing everything and securing it into secret bank accounts, but heck if I know what their money situation really is like. All I know is they sure aren't poors any more.
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Dec 3, 2021 04:56
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BrigadierSensible posted:A little ways back, but the Quiverfulls, and the Duggars in particular have a weird thing about smiling/being happy. These are the people telling retail and fast food workers trying to make it through the day without killing themselves to SMILE
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I don't think that's quite it. I think it's more like "everything happening is what God wants, so if you're sad or upset about it, that shows you don't trust and love God"
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Dec 3, 2021 05:11
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Dec 3, 2021 05:17
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BrigadierSensible posted:It, and the fact that they were "blanket trained" as youngsters, (look it up if you want to read about child torture) explains their weird 'practiced' performative smiles, and stiff formal "I'm fine, there is nothing bad going on" attitudes. i was walking around the neighborhood once and checked inside one of those little free libraries. i saw To Train Up A Child in there and took it and tossed it into a trashcan sometimes i feel slightly bad for this act of censorship and book destruction, but then again its a book that advocates breaking your childs disobedience by repeatedly hitting them with small objects, so... nah, into the trash it goes blanket training is when you (child abuse warning) place an infant on a blanket and smack it every time it tries to crawl off the blanket until you smack all of the curiosity out of the child
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Dec 3, 2021 05:17
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Regardless of the specific reasoning the point is to always show happiness and harmony in public. Anything else is unacceptable behavior to Quiverfulls
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Dec 3, 2021 05:19
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i was walking around the neighborhood once and checked inside one of those little free libraries. i saw To Train Up A Child in there and took it and tossed it into a trashcan don't
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Dec 3, 2021 05:19
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Yeah not all books have value.
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I haven't done any additional reading but from just the info in the thread the statement "Is someone downloading CP?" may not be that incriminating on its own depending on the rest of the conversation. How did the agents introduce themselves and what information was given to the defendant prior to him asking them that question? If the agent said something like "I'm Agent X from the child protection unit, we have a warrant to search the premises for digital contraband" it's not an unreasonable question to ask. It would be pretty slam dunk though if they could place the employee that left at the end of April physically somewhere else away from the office at the time the any of the files were downloaded or accessed. Also the fact that the defense's only real option is to try and shift suspicion away from Josh and onto this guy means he isn't likely to be a charitable witness. In answer to the other question about not being able to prove which of the two guys it was, it doesn't really matter because only Josh is on trial. If there is reasonable doubt in the jury's mind as to his guilt they can find him not guilty. If LE wants to they can charge the other guy but the fact that they didn't means they don't think he's guilty and/or they don't have a solid case against him with the evidence they currently have. They could even both be guilty so the prosecution has to be careful about the narrative they paint. Amarcarts fucked around with this message at 05:25 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 05:20
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Yvershek posted:I can't get over how happy go lucky Josh has been appearing. If the feds charge you, you are hosed. What a protected piece of poo poo. It's going to be satisfying when he pulls a Martin Shkreli by crying like a bitch during his sentencing hearing
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Dec 3, 2021 05:34
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I was wondering when the thread for this would pop up. I thought all this going down wasn't until January for some reason. The duggars are utter garbage and i wish a pox on all their houses.
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Dec 3, 2021 06:16
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i was walking around the neighborhood once and checked inside one of those little free libraries. i saw To Train Up A Child in there and took it and tossed it into a trashcan My near-2 year old kid is curious almost to the point of fault. She lost a shoe in a river, has hit me in the shins with her toy broom, and has nearly fallen off furniture by trying to reach too far (we keep an eye on her when she does this so no faceplants yet). I can't imagine restricting her to a small blanket. Her curiousity is what drives her and I can see how much she's learned from being able to interact with her world. She's a handful but I couldn't stomach restricting her for the sake of my own convenience. I feel like I'd be cutting a large potential part of her off.
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sudonim posted:I feel like I'd be cutting a large potential part of her off. thats the point, you damage the child to the point they never question your authority absolutely no way this will lead to behavioral problems later in life. guaranteed not going to happen a lot of this is just repeating cycles of authoritarian abuse. this is why they like the stern prison warden god who punishes you severely, and why they fantasize about destroying all the wicked and the sinful. this is how they can reconcile "i love you, so i'm going to beat the poo poo out of you until you get better" Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 06:33 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 06:31
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there was an hbomax documentary about some child abuse weight loss protestant cult that resulted in some idiot confining his little boy to a box and slamming it shut which killed him. horrible watch what was it called. oh yeah, The Way Down. bad watch
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Dec 3, 2021 06:48
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Binary Badger posted:Okay, Jim Bob is probably pocketing everything and securing it into secret bank accounts, but heck if I know what their money situation really is like. All I know is they sure aren't poors any more. Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:thats the point, you damage the child to the point they never question your authority When Jim Bob dies, its going to be a trainwreck.
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bobjr posted:
Amazing that with the whole compensation for abuse thing they went with Daniel becoming a eunuch (probably false reading) and all the cool stuff he got to do. Why not pick a biblical story of abuse where a woman gets blessed afterwards. I mean you have Tamar getting raped by her stepbrother and getting blessed with….having to live alone in her brother’s house for the rest of her life. Okay, bad example. How about Dinah? Oh wait, she was being a whore by hanging out with women without a male escort. All her fault….okay yeah, I got nothing. Also love the admonition that you have a choice between not being abused or being spiritually strong. Nothing strengthens the spirit like abuse. 
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Binary Badger posted:Okay, Jim Bob is probably pocketing everything and securing it into secret bank accounts, but heck if I know what their money situation really is like. All I know is they sure aren't poors any more. It’s this, Jim Bob pockets it all. The daughter who’s testifying, Jill, and her husband recently had some sort of legal battle with Jim Bob because they were never paid for their appearances on the show. They ended up settling for some unspecified amount iirc
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Xenocides posted:Amazing that with the whole compensation for abuse thing they went with Daniel becoming a eunuch (probably false reading) and all the cool stuff he got to do. Why not pick a biblical story of abuse where a woman gets blessed afterwards. Depending on which flavor of Christianity you have, the story of Judith, the widow who slept with the enemy's general and then cut his head off and was a hero, is a pretty badass Bible woman. It's only in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox scripture though, the protestants don't have it.
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Dec 3, 2021 12:41
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Rad-daddio posted:i hope those jurors at least have access to paid therapy. Therapy is a requirement for the people that go after child porn users. One of my first jobs was doing forensic interviews for kids who had been abused and I worked with a lot of investigators that handled child porn and Christ it was soul crushing. (I remember hearing about some of the videos josh was caught with). Essentially every piece found has to be catalogued and attempts are made to find the victims (there are people whose only job is to censor photos so they can be sent out for identification attempts) but so much of the work is just being surrounded by awfulness. One of the guys I worked with was known nationwide as an expert witness for testifying to the age of victims. He lived alone, retired around 30 years and shot himself several weeks after retirement.
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They probably have a profound amount of money. Aside from their show income imagine how many ghostwritten books (and cookbooks) have been sold at Wal-Mart since the show became popular. Everything is tax-sheltered under some religion loophole. They also don't live a mainstream lifestyle so there are minimal school supply or other traditional expenses. If you shop at Sam's club you can feed a ton of people for not a lot of money. Josh and his legal problems are probably the single biggest expense in the history of the family tree.
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Dec 3, 2021 13:05
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DickParasite posted:An actual, no poo poo picture of Josh's brother leaving the courthouse today: i mean these people arnt exactly bright, they are already chuds but they are also weird sheltered evangelicals. the kids probably all think its evil big homo jew govermant taking big pro away. Amarcarts posted:They probably have a profound amount of money. Aside from their show income imagine how many ghostwritten books (and cookbooks) have been sold at Wal-Mart since the show became popular. Everything is tax-sheltered under some religion loophole. They also don't live a mainstream lifestyle so there are minimal school supply or other traditional expenses. If you shop at Sam's club you can feed a ton of people for not a lot of money. they have money but my guess is the well has been getting dryer and dryer now. evangelical nut jobs like them don't hold the public sway they used to(thank god) BrigadierSensible posted:A little ways back, but the Quiverfulls, and the Duggars in particular have a weird thing about smiling/being happy. exactly. they don't actually have curiosity anymore. i do hope one or two of them break free.
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Dec 3, 2021 13:25
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Broken and inbred trash like Jim Bob and Michelle deserve each other, just not 20+ times over. Anyone have that looped and reversed gif of Michelle looking incredulous over something during an interview?
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Dec 3, 2021 13:48
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Rupert Buttermilk posted:Broken and inbred trash like Jim Bob and Michelle deserve each other, just not 20+ times over. Turns out a Tumblr page got you covered. 
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Dec 3, 2021 15:05
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Yvershek posted:Turns out a Tumblr page got you covered. i remember reading somewhere that she used to belong to a relativly normal family and had fun and had sex and poo poo and then she met jim bob and that was that. i think jim bob is the first generation of quiverfull nuts in his family or maybe second. idk its not that deep a well.
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Ralph Crammed In posted:Depending on which flavor of Christianity you have, the story of Judith, the widow who slept with the enemy's general and then cut his head off and was a hero, is a pretty badass Bible woman. It's only in the Catholic and Eastern Orthodox scripture though, the protestants don't have it. Protestantism is such a dour, lovely branch of Christianity. Good thing the (formerly, for nearly a century) most powerful country in the world was founded upon its dumb rear end-tenets and then ran wild with them.
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I've been listening to the Behind the Bastards episodes about the Duggars and the more I learn, the more upsetting it seems that Josh is the only one legally on the hook. Raping women is literally what he was raised to do, just as his sisters were raised to be molested and raped. Josh is going to get buried under the jail, and it is going to change absolutely nothing.
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Dec 3, 2021 15:23
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Yvershek posted:Turns out a Tumblr page got you covered. Jesus, yeah, that's the stuff. Her jaw line reminds me of Dorian, Peter Greene's character from the Mask, when he gets a hold of it near the end.
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Dec 3, 2021 15:25
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I know it will never happen but I would appreciate an investigation being opened into TLC itself. It's bad enough that they aired these shows that starred at least one child molester, but then they seem to have a countdown clock in the office that lets them know when they can give the enablers of the child molester (and sometimes the child molester themselves) another show.
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I remember reading an article years ago about how their money evaporates into thin air just keeping their army of a family houses and fed - they built their giant compound in the late 00's themselves from a kit and then asked volunteers from their church and the community to help finish the build when they realized they couldn't do it themselves, but it's unclear how much got spent on materials, other workers, etc. They claimed they needed the free work bc they couldn't afford to pay for folks to do all of it.
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Dapper_Swindler posted:evangelical nut jobs like them don't hold the public sway they used to(thank god)
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Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:i was walking around the neighborhood once and checked inside one of those little free libraries. i saw To Train Up A Child in there and took it and tossed it into a trashcan lmao my oldest son's first grade teacher handed out pdf copies of this book on thumb drives. loving public school teacher in California too. Lots of the parents complained about it, but the principal didn't understand why everyone was so upset.
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Pope Corky the IX posted:I know it will never happen by I would appreciate an investigation being opened into TLC itself. It's bad enough that they aired these shows that starred at least one child molester, but then the seem to have a countdown clock in the office that lets them know when they can give the enablers of the child molester (and sometimes the child molester themselves) another show. It does seem suspicious that they keep having pedophiles on their shows. I wonder if the TLC execs/scouts run in the same circles as them.
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