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I think voting still matters in some local stuff but I’ve totally given up on the centrist Dems after being a sucker one last time and voting for Biden. The horrors on the border are still going, reproductive rights on the way out, drug laws are still regressive, zero police reform, no healthcare, no consequences for those behind the insurrection, and no education cost reform. The mainline Dems are so loving worthless at this point that voting for them does more harm than good. Oh an insulin and epinephrine is still insanely expensive and the sackler family isn’t all dead or in prison. Butter Activities fucked around with this message at 14:16 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Platystemon posted:Rectum?
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In Florida Man news... https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html quote:Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis wants to reestablish a World War II-era civilian military force that he, not the Pentagon, would control.
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Right wing militias being given official status? No lurch towards fascism here!
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A brigade of meal team six. "We shall fight them on the beaches, we shall fight them at the Disney World, we shall fight them at Jimmy Buffett's Margaritaville..."
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Untagged posted:I know I'm not the only one that did a did I click on D&D double check this morning. Well, some of us served for a reason, whether misguided or not.
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If your counter to the rising right is to disengage and stop opposing them in the political arena, I question the strategy.
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mlmp08 posted:If your counter to the rising right is to disengage and stop opposing them in the political arena, I question the strategy. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOTyUfOHgas This also applies to the DNC too. lol
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I don’t see how it’s better to vote for a group of people that resign and do nothing. I’ll vote for the left-wing that actually at least try sometimes but I’m done with the mainstream Dems. We already lost the Supreme Court so what’s the point? Voting third party or protest voting en masse is the only thing that’ll make them wake up. gently caress handing these cynical assholes my vote when they’re working in lockstep with the GOP as token opposition
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:I don’t see how it’s better to vote for a group of people that resign and do nothing. I’ll vote for the left-wing that actually at least try sometimes but I’m done with the mainstream Dems. We already lost the Supreme Court so what’s the point? Voting third party or protest voting en masse is the only thing that’ll make them wake up. Well just give it to people that should get it like Fetterman vs the DNC (guilty there last cycle) or someone like Beto or whatever dumbass money pit (like the one against Graham or McConnell) else some DNC grifter will start.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:gently caress handing these cynical assholes my vote when they’re working in lockstep with the GOP as token opposition I don’t give a dollar to the DNC or the big-name but obviously failed candidates (like McConnell’s past opponent or Beto) Voting is free, and if I give to anyone, I try to find someone decent who has a good chance, even if they’re from another state. The DNC is terrible, but there are individuals out there running who are decent. And based on studies one of the most effective ways to increase voter turnout is very cheap, though takes some time: Writing personal letters about why you’re voting. There are orgs that ID close races and let you target those areas. Or just say gently caress national politics and stay active at local level, but protest voting conservative or staying home or something isn’t great.
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Watch out for snakes! https://twitter.com/EmGusk/status/1466783379085578246?t=OLzxhZLb40O-38Iq_NYkrQ&s=19 Woops!
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I'm becoming more sympathetic to the idea that effecting change democratically involves forcing Democrats to lose so hard they can't even gain anything by being a forever complacent opposition Too bad about the other effect of that basically being a fascism speed run
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If we surrendered to farther right-wing control out of frustration, yeah, some people could probably get by while tut-tutting about how bad it is. People like myself, a cishet white guy, might fare pretty OK while watching it crumble and hoping something better shows up in 12-40 years. But in the meantime, we'd be selling a lot of less fortunate folks down the river of further right-wing aspirations. Accelerationism is a pretty privileged ideology, in my view. It's the assumption that you'll be fine while things accelerate, even if it's very bad for others, in the hopes of a longer-term payoff that may never come to fruition.
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facialimpediment posted:Watch out for snakes! I hope the snakes are OK. Snakes are chill. On electoralism, I've felt betrayed and dejected regularly after voting for Democrats over the past couple of decades. It's totally understandable that people would throw up their hands and say "gently caress this!" That said, throwing away voting as useless is a mistake as, if nothing else, local and sometimes state elections can be worth the effort and result in actual Good Things happening.
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Loucks posted:That said, throwing away voting as useless is a mistake as, if nothing else, local and sometimes state elections can be worth the effort and result in actual Good Things happening. Yes, absolutely agreed.
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mlmp08 posted:People like myself, a cishet white guy, might fare pretty OK while watching it crumble and hoping something better shows up in 12-40 years. Probably not since everyone's got a digital trail at this point and they're absolutely on track to kill ideological outsiders mlmp08 posted:Accelerationism is a pretty privileged ideology, in my view. It's the assumption that you'll be fine while things accelerate, even if it's very bad for others, in the hopes of a longer-term payoff that may never come to fruition. This I agree with tho
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I will continue to write in for Bigfoot for president until Colorado is actually at risk of flipping red in the presidential election. Rest of the ballot will be straight D but gently caress voting for Biden or Kamala or Butts or Beto.
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Uhhhh Ron Desantis wants to build a state militia separate from any connection with the Pentagon https://www.cnn.com/2021/12/02/politics/florida-state-guard-desantis/index.html
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Florida Special Forkses. Delta-infected Force. 5th coronary group. E: The Rascal Brigade. The HoverRound Battalion. CRUSTY MINGE fucked around with this message at 16:43 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Mickey Mouse Militia
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facialimpediment posted:Watch out for snakes! https://youtu.be/bpb6BfgzyME
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Florida Special Forkses. Future Afghan Wedding Party.  I should add that a bunch of states have these, and usually to supplement NG Disaster relief. Of course Texas used it to "monitor Jade Helm" and I wouldn't trust Ronald McDeSantis one bit..
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Accelerationism is bad and dumb. But I don’t see any point in voting for the mainline Dems until they start doing stuff since they seem to deliberately allowing themselves to lose to rile up their base without losing their donors. I’ll vote for the independents and progressives that actually kinda try. I don’t see how enabling the Dems to play softball with fascists so they can keep the gravy train is any different than accelerationism. The only way to actually stop it is to stop enabling it.
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I used to be a completely mainline lib. I now think that just 'owing' ones vote to the Dems on a "they're not as bad, it's a two party system" is part of why they feel no incentive to actually do anything. My new attitude is I think a healthy one, that politicians need to earn my vote. Joe earned a re-election vote from me for pulling out of Afghanistan. The only way that gets cancelled is if he starts another war. My so-called "progressive" rep who celebrated a bunch of people getting kicked off unemployment ("unemployment is at an all time low")? No. My moderate dem senators in my extremely blue state? Absolutely not. But there's still time, they're welcome to try to earn my vote. They won't though, they'll just be mad at me for not realizing they're the better sort of people and that I owe them. And it's not like actually voting for dems has made moderate dems any less mad at me and people like me in the past. Republicans aren't earning my vote either, but I'm not closed to the possibility. It's just hard to imagine as long as the Rs are a right wing party.
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CRUSTY MINGE posted:Florida Special Forkses. Florida Auxillary Guard "Send in the [REDACTED]s."
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Accelerationism is bad and dumb. But I don’t see any point in voting for the mainline Dems until they start doing stuff since they seem to deliberately allowing themselves to lose to rile up their base without losing their donors. I’ll vote for the independents and progressives that actually kinda try. I have zero faith in the dems after January 6th. They are still trying to broker deals in good faith with people who tried to kill them. Voting for the democrats to keep the fascists out would be essential if they were actually actively doing anything to keep the fascists out of power, but they aren't. I'm still gonna do it because I'm not delusional, but I'm not giving them a loving dime. Also all you neolibs complaining about cspam and d&d need to take a look around you- this is one of the last neolib safe spaces on the forum. CSPAM is the most viewed subforum on the site for christ's sake. SA took a HARD turn to the left in the last four years.
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SMEGMA_MAIL posted:Voting third party or protest voting en masse is the only thing that’ll make them wake up. You're making the assumption that the Dems will turn leftwards if people stop voting for them. This is not and never has been born out by the evidence. Take the 1980s: The Dems lost Presidential elections in 1980, 84, and 88, the latter two of which were some of the most lopsided blowouts in American history. Did the Democrats turn leftwards? No, Bill Clinton won the primary, and the election, and the Third Way centrism became the defining ideology of the party for two and a half decades. And even after 2016, in the aftermath of losing to Donald Trump, the Democrats didn't turn leftwards—they turned to Joe Biden, and among the Democratic electorate the left wing of the Democratic primary got less votes in the competitive elections than they did just four years earlier. Also it's worth mentioning that the Democrats are not a monolith. What message does it send if Raphael Warnock is voted out in Georgia next year? Or if Mark Kelly is voted out of office? In Michigan, state attorney general Dana Nessel told Dave Weigel of the Washington Post that she would not prosecute abortion cases when Roe is overturned—what the hell kind of message will it send if she's voted out? Are there shithead dems? Absolutely. I agree with the premise that Sinema and Manchin are only the loudest assholes in the Senate, for instance, and that there's at least 3-4 (or more) Senators behind them that hold most of the same views. But at most, that's still only 10-20% of the caucus—and holding the rest of the party to account for the actions of the minority is, in my view, devastatingly counterproductive. Acebuckeye13 fucked around with this message at 17:51 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Acebuckeye13 posted:holding the rest of the party to account for the actions of the minority is, in my view, devastatingly counterproductive. So what about with the "actions of the minority" become / are the "actions of the entire party"
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The Dems keep going right in part because they correctly surmise that their so-called left wing will follow them.
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Parents of the michigan school shooter collecting charges, 4 each for involuntary manslaughter.
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My big problem with accelerationism is that it implies that down the road, the party would eventually shape up. In a long distance view, the Labour party sort of disproves that thesis  CRUSTY MINGE posted:Parents of the michigan school shooter collecting charges, 4 each for involuntary manslaughter.  https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466816193642344455?t=LbYOMDbooGxTYNyicgshQw&s=19 https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2021/12/03/oxford-high-school-shooting-suspect-parents-charged/ facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:14 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Glad to have cspam, home of shooting your political opponents in the toe, around
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The timeline appears to be: "Hey... why are you searching for ammunition with your phone during school hours?" *looks at drawings* HOLY poo poo GET THEIR PARENTS IN HERE "Hey Mr/Mrs Fuckup, look at what we found here" [unknown parental response] Parents leave Kid goes into bathroom and comes out shooting Dad: hey my unlocked gun is missing https://twitter.com/DavidEggert00/status/1466821141062893571 Edit: HOLY gently caress https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466819872160165894 https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1466821363935682564 facialimpediment fucked around with this message at 18:34 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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