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I get a real joy out of being informed and knowing the truth of things, even if it's dire. I've never understood voluntary ignorance
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Dec 3, 2021 15:53
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I had a refillable rig and refilling just annoyed me. Hated fiddling around with stuff and paper towels and getting nic on my skin and having a nic overdose when I'm just trying to vibe. I might get a syringe and some juice (pretty sure you can just refill one of the pods without buying a refillable pod thing if you just use a syringe?) for when I'm feeling spicy but not as my regular thing. $18 for 4 pods with each pod being roughly equivalent to a pack you're still way out ahead of analogs so I'm fine with it. that's way cheaper than I thought it was, also totally a fair call to just say the cost difference is the "I don't get ejuice all over my hands and clothes because something went wrong" tax
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Dec 3, 2021 16:02
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That's the cheapest possible price, actually. If you order directly from Juul.com you pay $17 plus the local tax. But there's a local chain that doesn't mark any tobacco products above MSRP and the standard tax (which is surprisingly rare). At a different chain they're $24! So I always have to be mindful to grab from the first chain (on my drive home) rather than the second (I forgot to grab some and now I have to walk a couple blocks and pay an extra $6 cause I'm jonesin').
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Dec 3, 2021 16:06
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Chomsky has said Vote Dem for two elections and was a signatory to an "Anti-Cancellation" letter that included a bunch of 'phobes. And worse but it's early and I don't recall (edit: some idiocy about Syria, Assad, Libya, Gaddafi, no doubt)(probably some idiocy about Israel/Palestine no doubt also). He's a very bad and stupid leftist probably precisely because his grasp of theory is weak (or else he's just plainly malign, but I personally don't think so). I (re)submit that when Chomsky gave up writing on structuralism and decided the only course forward was activism, he was right.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:14
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Activism of what sort? To what end? What has Chomsky done to advance communism? He's been a hindrance to class consciousness in the US - the establishment dissident. What a joke
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Dec 3, 2021 16:19
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There are always politicians and technocrats ready to show that the invasion of “industrializing” foreign capital benefits the area invaded. In this version, the new-model imperialism comes on a genuinely civilizing mission, is a blessing to the dominated countries, and the true-love declarations by the dominant power of the moment are its real intentions. Guilty consciences are thus relieved of the need for alibis, for no one is guilty: today’s imperialism radiates technology and progress, and even the use of this old, unpleasant word to define it is in bad taste. But when imperialism begins exalting its own virtues we should take a look in our pockets. We find that the new model does not make its colonies more prosperous, although it enriches their poles of development; it does not ease social and regional tensions, but aggravates them; it spreads poverty even more widely and concentrates wealth even more narrowly; it pays wages twenty times lower than in Detroit and charges prices three times higher than in New York; it takes over the internal market and the mainsprings of the productive apparatus; it assumes proprietary rights to chart the course and fix the frontiers of progress; it controls national credit and orients external trade at its whim; it denationalizes not only industry but the profits earned by industry; it fosters the waste of resources by diverting a large part of the economic surplus abroad; it does not bring in capital for development but takes it out.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:20
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The Something Awful Forums > Discussion > C-SPAM > Biosphere Collapse: You aren't an effective activist because you didn't read your Hegel is also a good one
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Dec 3, 2021 16:20
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petit choux posted:I (re)submit that when Chomsky gave up writing on structuralism and decided the only course forward was activism, he was right. lol
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Dec 3, 2021 16:22
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I submit that you can understand Hegel by reading other Marxists and reading Hegel himself is not actually required. Although it's not a bad idea. It's also not a bad idea to read Adam Smith. I mean just... just read a bunch of stuff? Mostly I think the most important theory to grasp is Idealism vs. Materialism, which is best approached via a thoroughgoing understanding of ideology. You can figure out the economic theories on your own if you have a firm grasp of materialism and class war. If you just read Hegel that doesn't make you a good Marxist. Marx was barely a Hegelian and actually he thought Hegel a rather stupid white supremacist (he was) ("commodity fetishism" was a dig at Hegel, he was mocking Hegel) although obviously thesis-antithesis-synthesis figures largely in Marxism. But remember that Hegel was an Idealist not a Materialist so no Hegel isn't sufficient or even close.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:27
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I submit that you can understand Hegel by reading other Marxists and reading Hegel himself is not actually required. Although it's not a bad idea. It's also not a bad idea to read Adam Smith. I mean just... just read a bunch of stuff? Mostly I think the most important theory to grasp is Idealism vs. Materialism, which is best approached via a thoroughgoing understanding of ideology. You can figure out the economic theories on your own if you have a firm grasp of materialism and class war. I submit to you that your activism is only improved by reading anybody much removed from Marx inasmuch as you can more successfully network with other college leftists.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:45
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petit choux posted:I submit to you that your activism is only improved by reading anybody much removed from Marx inasmuch as you can more successfully network with other college leftists. I uh…tried this in uhhh college, and uhhh let me be clear, I did not bang some folks because of it
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Dec 3, 2021 16:47
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What do you mean much removed? Are you saying Marx alone is sufficient? He's not, no. Minimally you would need to read Lenin in addition to Marx and even then you're probably not going to be an effective Marxist if you leave out the following [checks notes] 100 some odd years of Marxist elaboration/addition/explication. I don't think you've met college leftists or been in a commie party if you think that's effective activism to be honest with you.
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Dec 3, 2021 16:55
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Perry Mason Jar posted:What do you mean much removed? Are you saying Marx alone is sufficient? He's not, no. Minimally you would need to read Lenin in addition to Marx and even then you're probably not going to be an effective Marxist if you leave out the following [checks notes] 100 some odd years of Marxist elaboration/addition/explication. it doesnt actually matter what theory you read, you just need to read "enough" of any theory so you arent trying to build a house by haphazardly stacking bricks. you don't even "need" to since you'll realize what works and what doesn't as you stack bricks, it just saves a lot of reinventing the wheel, and you're working with a limited lifespan here. karl marx famously developed marxism without reading any marx.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:01
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Marx had Engels, he wasn't a solitary Great Man of History either. Marx developed his theory in conversation with his contemporaries and owes a lot to them and his predecessors (e.g., HEGEL!!) so no not really. Also I can tell right away when some "communist" hasn't read Lenin.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:08
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Marx developed his theory in conversation with his contemporaries and owes a lot to them and his predecessors (e.g., HEGEL!!) so no not really. what if, and hear me out here, people can still do this today
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Dec 3, 2021 17:11
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Activism of what sort? To what end? What has Chomsky done to advance communism? He's been a hindrance to class consciousness in the US - the establishment dissident. What a joke The bulk of the left fanatically devotes itself to its heroes until it becomes clear they have failed at something and then that negates everything they do. Happens again and again. It's kind of a corollary to how the right can never fail but only be failed. I'm not putting everything Chomsky ever did up for your judgment here and it's bad faith and dishonest of you to insinuate that I am. Just one decision he made, a decision I think a lot of armchair intellectuals would have been well served to emulate but didn't get it. This thread isn't about the advancement of communism, it is about hysterically laughing because none of this matters anymore and everybody and everything is going to die because we loving blew it, leftists included. Or do I need to read Hegel to be good enough to say that in this thread? But if I read my Hegel, have I read my Whitehead? Neitzche? Kant? We are all killing time until we and all our works perish in a few years so go read your German 19th C intellectuals all you like buddy, you only have so much time and I'm really sorry about that.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:11
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Laterite posted:90s Carlin was his zenith imo, just had his material honed to a fine point and ready to strike, some real proto-CSPAM poo poo in there. Yeah the whole "the planet will be fine" thing is a bit misguided but that was also a prevailing message at the time to try and get people to think about how climate change was coming for them. In other words it's communicating a selfish message to a selfish species because that's what they'll listen to. Which, lol, lmao.  e: lots of bickering ITT about bullshit... if it were the 70s or 80s, maybe it would matter and could've changed some part of the course. We're accelerating down the first hill, just enjoy the ride and throw up your hands with a WOOOOOOOOOOOOO tiberion02 has issued a correction as of 17:22 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 17:14
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petit choux posted:you only have so much time and I'm really sorry about that. this isnt news to people who read theory, or anything, lmao. yeah no poo poo we're all working on finite timelines here, that's why you want to read as much theory as you need to do your thing so you dont waste that time reinventing the wheel. this doesn't have to be saving the world stuff, it can just be understanding what's happening stuff.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:16
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Perry Mason Jar posted:What do you mean much removed? Are you saying Marx alone is sufficient? He's not, no. Minimally you would need to read Lenin in addition to Marx and even then you're probably not going to be an effective Marxist if you leave out the following [checks notes] 100 some odd years of Marxist elaboration/addition/explication. There hasn't been effective activism in this country in a good little while. Of course that's largely thanks to the spooks and assassins, in addition to the human capacity to suck up to power and let the dominant personalities define your reality. And of course the constant presence of infiltrators and agents provocateur in anything that even remotely resembles leftism or environmentalism has so effectively muddied the waters so that there is no real public discourse that's not strangled in the cradle.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:19
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Wakko posted:the most backward take. humanity stands at the cusp of realizing its grand destiny. tens of thousands of years of consumption have brought us here, and you whine? imagine a tuberculosis bacterium mewling like this as the host's lungs start to fill with fluid. generations have stood on the shoulders of one another, all working together to bring us here. its is only now, at the great dying, that we realize true meaning.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:21
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Chomsky is an anarchist and libertarian socialist? so yeah….
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Dec 3, 2021 17:22
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Perry Mason Jar posted:I don't think you've met college leftists or been in a commie party if you think that's effective activism to be honest with you. Am I not talking to one now?
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Dec 3, 2021 17:22
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Zodium posted:what if, and hear me out here, people can still do this today We literally are right now, are you ignoring the part about reading your predecessors on purpose or...? petit choux posted:The bulk of the left fanatically devotes itself to its heroes until it becomes clear they have failed at something and then that negates everything they do. Happens again and again. It's kind of a corollary to how the right can never fail but only be failed. I'm not putting everything Chomsky ever did up for your judgment here and it's bad faith and dishonest of you to insinuate that I am. Just one decision he made, a decision I think a lot of armchair intellectuals would have been well served to emulate but didn't get it. Yeah the bulk of the left does do that and it's extremely stupid from Go. It's not a thoroughgoing Marxist thing to do at all! It's fallacious and no serious person "would fanatically devote [them]self to [their] heroes" - or do you think Marx was correct about everything he said? Or that I do? I don't and he wasn't. I'm only pointing out that what has followed from Chomsky's pivot to "activism" is a big bowl of nothing at best and a bowl of poo poo at worst. I'm not saying Chomsky is X Bad Thing therefore we should ignore Chomsky's statement Y Good Thing (inverse of Argument from Authority fallacy and yes bad faith) I'm saying that Y Good Thing has not lead to Good Thing and maybe can even be added to X Bad Thing. Everything is about the advancement of communism because I'm a communist. Everything is about the advancement of communism because I want to liberate the working class. Everyone's going to loving die yes but I'd prefer the working class live in a hospice where the staff doesn't punch them in the face every 30 minutes and instead treat them well. There's still time left for (more) misery. There's still time left for joy. I'm not telling you what to read I'm telling you that if you want to be an effective communist (for the good reasons I just gave, which are true despite any imminent calamity) then you'll do yourself a disservice by not reading and mastering theory. There's not a ton of famous thinkers that would be a waste of your time, no. Kant is pretty important to Marxism, Nietszche kinda sucks but not so bad you can't glean something from reading him, Whitehead I don't know. petit choux posted:Am I not talking to one now? I dropped out because US collegiate system is perversely exploitative to such a point as to be totally intolerable (for me). So I'm not even a former college leftie (thank God), I'm just a normal goon (gay, in their 30s).
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Dec 3, 2021 17:24
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I wouldn’t be shocked if like 75% of the leftist rhetoric in the US wasn’t directly workshopped out of quantico or that Iowa writers workshop
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Dec 3, 2021 17:25
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Zodium posted:this isnt news to people who read theory, or anything, lmao. yeah no poo poo we're all working on finite timelines here, that's why you want to read as much theory as you need to do your thing so you dont waste that time reinventing the wheel. this doesn't have to be saving the world stuff, it can just be understanding what's happening stuff. This is a good point. Understanding is a very worthwhile goal in and of itself, for sure.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:28
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Perry Mason Jar posted:Explain? Wasn't he the guy that sought poison immunity by starting at a safe dose and slowly ramping up over time?
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Dec 3, 2021 17:36
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To me communism is one of those things that really would have been nice. But I really am a bitter old man and probably a pretty dumb one. In the 90s I tried a few things like joining communes and stuff, it didn't work out because none of those fuckers read their Hegel either. And in the 80s I was a very precocious art student that read a bit of philosophy (big on Foucault!) and to me, Chomsky's decision to no longer devote his life to the grand debate represented a decision I thought a really valid one; to turn away from the paper chase and to become a man of action. I gave up art, gave away my car and started rambling around the country on a bicycle, I guess what you'd call crustpunk nowadays. That was the days when I actually thought Earth First had some potential too, and attended a couple of their "rendez-vous" gatherings in the woods, where everybody mostly got drunk as gently caress. And I got very publicly accused of being a spook by a guy who really was a spook - that was a different environmentalist conference though.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:40
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petit choux posted:it didn't work out because none of those fuckers read their Hegel either. lmao. exactly!! petit choux posted:And in the 80s I was a very precocious art student that read a bit of philosophy (big on Foucault!) and to me, Chomsky's decision to no longer devote his life to the grand debate represented a decision I thought a really valid one; to turn away from the paper chase and to become a man of action. I gave up art, gave away my car and started rambling around the country on a bicycle, I guess what you'd call crustpunk nowadays. That was the days when I actually thought Earth First had some potential too, and attended a couple of their "rendez-vous" gatherings in the woods, where everybody mostly got drunk as gently caress. And I got very publicly accused of being a spook by a guy who really was a spook - that was a different environmentalist conference though. I'm glad Chomsky was of some limited value to you. That sounds like a really cool life experience even if you didn't save the world.
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Dec 3, 2021 17:42
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Perry Mason Jar posted:lmao. exactly!! I wanted to but was not equipped mentally or in any other way. I briefly talked up taking the environmentalism up a notch and getting violent, and my buddies in Greenpeace talked me down. I guess in hindsight I would have been a good follower in a solid movement but I didn't find one. I fully expected that when I got rid of my car, I wasn't a leader but I was ahead of the inevitable wave of people who didn't want to see children die. But the right wing cleverly funneled that energy among the public into a handy cul-de-sac called the right to life movement. petit choux has issued a correction as of 17:49 on Dec 3, 2021 |
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Dec 3, 2021 17:44
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Hubbert posted:Today, land managers are scrambling to slow the transformation in many places, by planting trees and killing shrubs. For instance, the Forest Service has proposed a plan to wipe out brush with herbicides in Plumas National Forest. What kind of brain thinks dumping tons of herbicide on the ground is a good way to regrow a forest
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Dec 3, 2021 17:55
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Mayor Dave posted:What kind of brain thinks dumping tons of herbicide on the ground is a good way to regrow a forest The kind of brain that sees the obvious real estate potential of all this cleared land?
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Dec 3, 2021 17:57
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CODChimera posted:that's not 10 years from now, it's next year which we are basically already at The forests of the North American west are disappearing after the wildfires - the same ones where its pyrophytic children thrive afterwards. We're seeing a fundamental change in the ecology of these lands. The entire American Southwest has suffered from ongoing drought since the beginning of 2020. Precipitation allows for short term recharges, while snow-pack is how we extend our freshwater reserves throughout the summer. We aren't getting either. Maybe this situation will just be like 2014, and we won't have to worry about a thing. Maybe it won't. 
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Dec 3, 2021 18:22
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anyone have any dome investment opportunities?
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Dec 3, 2021 18:25
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https://twitter.com/NWSBoulder/status/1466807593104330753the west is just a nonstop heat dome
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Dec 3, 2021 18:29
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What a ridiculously crappy infograph. Percentages for one metric and acre-feet for the other, no mention over what period the averages were taken, and the source is just the name of an organization.
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Dec 3, 2021 18:29
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Yeah it's wyoming, they aren't so good with words or numbers, you gotta just accept that
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Dec 3, 2021 18:30
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we're going to go from historic droughts to devastating floods in 4 months or so then the water will catch fire for some reason
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Dec 3, 2021 18:32
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splifyphus posted:that's all you got? bitch do u even read Hegel? No, I have sex.
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Dec 3, 2021 19:22
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Nah, who am I kidding. I love Hegel and I'm a lonely shut-in.
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Dec 3, 2021 19:23
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Comatoast posted:What a ridiculously crappy infograph. Percentages for one metric and acre-feet for the other, no mention over what period the averages were taken, and the source is just the name of an organization. https://www.americangeosciences.org/critical-issues/maps/interactive-map-water-levels-major-reservoirs-california https://cdec.water.ca.gov/cgi-progs/products/rescond.pdf
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Dec 3, 2021 19:26
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