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Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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actionjackson posted:

what do you mean by "spirituality aspect?"

Spirituality is in many ways the antithesis of individuality if you prefer to think of it in those terms. that is, belief (and not necessary in the Abrahamic sense) of greater collective 'conscience' or purpose. that is you and your community is part of something together and lasting -- that you exist to bring benefit to the whole that transcends your own brief individual fleeting experience on this earth. Deep and truly felt; that is not just a weird quasi-vain academic-learned guilt-based acknowledgement of the moment where you're more acting out in sort of a self-aware ultimately individualistic-motivated mindset. americana brains are rotten to the core and almost devoid of it and just being religious doesn't mean spiritual: mormons and christians are largely devoid of spirituality having been raised from birth into a excess material consumptive individuality mindset. they are often as far from spiritual as can be.

a modern american example would be say John Brown. he was religious yes, but he was spiritual most of all. that he felt such a strong and deep belief that slavery was evil and harmful to his community, to his country, and to the basic blood that binds all humanity; and he was more than willing to give up everything even the lives of himself and his family to stop it. he knew he wasn't going to end it, he knew he was going to be condemned in the public eye, he knew he wasn't going to see the end of it or the fruit of his actions, but he considered that moot. spiritual doesnt have to be sacrificial, but ultimately it sort of does come down to deep belief in serving a purpose beyond the self.

there are also endless south american and african people cut of similar cloth who lived and acted out of deep spiritual connection to their homeland and the people within.

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# ? May 25, 2024 04:51

Paradoxish: Dec 19, 2003; Will you stop going crazy in there?

Any time someone mentions noise pollution it reminds me that there were a poo poo load of studies in the 70s and 80s pretty definitively linking noise pollution to tons of health problems and none of it ever went anywhere because everyone realized there would never be any cheap solution to the problem and cities would always be wildly noisy without making a ton of changes.

lol

# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:09

Complications: Jun 19, 2014

Xaris posted:

spirituality is in many ways the antithesis of individuality if you prefer to think of it in that terms. that is, belief (and not necessary in the Abrahamic sense) of greater collective 'conscience' or purpose. that is your and your community is part of something together and lasting, that together you exist to bring benefit to the whole. deep and truly felt. americana brains are rotten to the core and almost devoid of it and just being religious doesn't mean spiritual: mormons and christians are largely devoid of spirituality having been raised from birth into a excess material consumptive individuality mindset

God has been replaced.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:15

Koirhor: Jan 14, 2008; by Fluffdaddy

Complications posted:

God has been replaced.

would

# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:17

Second Hand Meat Mouth: Sep 12, 2001

Complications posted:

God has been replaced.

well if it's easy to titrate i guess i've gotta try it!

# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:22

Lordshmee: Nov 23, 2007; I hate you, Milkman Dan

Lastgirl posted:

a book called Ishmael by Daniel Quinn

This book, btw, is loving life-altering. At least it was when I read it in my early 20s long before my first crack pings. The spin he puts on The Fall is the only thing I�ve ever heard that makes sense of it to me.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 05:24

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

The Wisest Moron posted:

Here's a story about how with a little ingenuity and gumption we can fix regular pollution with noise pollution!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtlPTE-UmY4

I am genuinely glad that there are people dedicated to saving ducks from cooking themselves in acid, but it's pretty that the method of choice is shooting in their direction lol.

Capitalism ensures the most efficient allocation of resources

# ? Dec 5, 2021 06:52

mcbexx: Jul 4, 2004; British dentistry is
not on trial here!

Complications posted:

God has been replaced.

I binged Dopesick today and hoo boy, what a fun and lighthearted little bite of entertainment that was.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 07:17

actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

Xaris posted:

Spirituality is in many ways the antithesis of individuality if you prefer to think of it in those terms. that is, belief (and not necessary in the Abrahamic sense) of greater collective 'conscience' or purpose. that is you and your community is part of something together and lasting -- that you exist to bring benefit to the whole that transcends your own brief individual fleeting experience on this earth. Deep and truly felt; that is not just a weird quasi-vain academic-learned guilt-based acknowledgement of the moment where you're more acting out in sort of a self-aware ultimately individualistic-motivated mindset. americana brains are rotten to the core and almost devoid of it and just being religious doesn't mean spiritual: mormons and christians are largely devoid of spirituality having been raised from birth into a excess material consumptive individuality mindset. they are often as far from spiritual as can be.

a modern american example would be say John Brown. he was religious yes, but he was spiritual most of all. that he felt such a strong and deep belief that slavery was evil and harmful to his community, to his country, and to the basic blood that binds all humanity; and he was more than willing to give up everything even the lives of himself and his family to stop it. he knew he wasn't going to end it, he knew he was going to be condemned in the public eye, he knew he wasn't going to see the end of it or the fruit of his actions, but he considered that moot. spiritual doesnt have to be sacrificial, but ultimately it sort of does come down to deep belief in serving a purpose beyond the self.

there are also endless south american and african people cut of similar cloth who lived and acted out of deep spiritual connection to their homeland and the people within.

well I suppose that makes sense, though it's not a definitition of spirituality that I would call common. Typically it is used to mean a supernaturalistic belief that doesn't fall into the framework of a specific religion.

But anyone I agree, and I've thought a lot about consumerism in the last several years. While I do like to spend money on things I truly enjoy, I also try to limit my consumption, and in tandem, I highly limit my exposure to advertising. I don't "browse," I don't do any binge purchasing, etc.

My dad, who is insanely materialistic, asked when I'm going to move into a bigger home (my place is 1 bd / 1 ba ~900 SF), and I said that my current place was already a bit too big for me. He didn't seem to understand.

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kater: Nov 16, 2010

the very straight forward high production meet this guy�s job �I shoot a lake of poison� video cracked me pretty good but I�m lacking a ping I�m just kinda in free fall i need to not check thread this early in day.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 16:29

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

Xaris posted:

Spirituality is in many ways the antithesis of individuality if you prefer to think of it in those terms. that is, belief (and not necessary in the Abrahamic sense) of greater collective 'conscience' or purpose. that is you and your community is part of something together and lasting -- that you exist to bring benefit to the whole that transcends your own brief individual fleeting experience on this earth. Deep and truly felt; that is not just a weird quasi-vain academic-learned guilt-based acknowledgement of the moment where you're more acting out in sort of a self-aware ultimately individualistic-motivated mindset. americana brains are rotten to the core and almost devoid of it and just being religious doesn't mean spiritual: mormons and christians are largely devoid of spirituality having been raised from birth into a excess material consumptive individuality mindset. they are often as far from spiritual as can be.

a modern american example would be say John Brown. he was religious yes, but he was spiritual most of all. that he felt such a strong and deep belief that slavery was evil and harmful to his community, to his country, and to the basic blood that binds all humanity; and he was more than willing to give up everything even the lives of himself and his family to stop it. he knew he wasn't going to end it, he knew he was going to be condemned in the public eye, he knew he wasn't going to see the end of it or the fruit of his actions, but he considered that moot. spiritual doesnt have to be sacrificial, but ultimately it sort of does come down to deep belief in serving a purpose beyond the self.

there are also endless south american and african people cut of similar cloth who lived and acted out of deep spiritual connection to their homeland and the people within.

There's a thread that runs through all major religions and many spiritual practices: One-ness. Unity. All-Being. Separation as illusion. Otherness as illusion.

But its inverse is also a spiritual practice. That is, we are offered two choices again and again: love of the self or love of others (or other-selves, as it were). Making the choice is the spiritual practice in itself. If you choose neither (not choosing) or something in between (non-choosing) then you get an F on your spiritual quiz. By the by, conscious choosing of love-of-the-self does not require the belief that separation isn't an illusion.

Religions at their purest and spiritual practices, all of them, are systems and tools for psycho-social personal development, for refinement of the self-ish will, intentionality, and therefore one's capability to effect change, whether that change is within or without. It should be obvious that this doesn't require a belief in God per se.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 17:09

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

kater posted:

the very straight forward high production meet this guy�s job �I shoot a lake of poison� video cracked me pretty good but I�m lacking a ping I�m just kinda in free fall i need to not check thread this early in day.

He is an environmental hero, you know. We should be grateful that his company has given him the sacred task of shooting a lake of acidic poison, to ensure that migratory wildlife won't dissolve themselves while he's on the clock.

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Real hurthling!: Sep 11, 2001

they should put the plastic reservoir balls on that lake

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mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

the overstimulation is probably a huge part. doing something to slow that down would help restore attention and actual community, but it�s more profitable than ever.

quote:

The attainment of autonomy demands conditions in which the repressed dimensions of experience can come to life again; their liberation demands repression of the heteronymous needs and satisfactions which organize life in this society. The more they have become the individual�s own needs and satisfactions, the more would their repression appear to be an all but fatal deprivation. But precisely by virtue of this fatal character, it may create the primary subjective prerequisite for qualitative change � namely, the redefinition of needs.

To take an (unfortunately fantastic) example: the mere absence of all advertising and of all indoctrinating media of information and entertainment would plunge the individual into a traumatic void where he would have the chance to wonder and to think, to know himself (or rather the negative of himself) and his society. Deprived of his false fathers leaders, friends, and representatives, he would have to learn his ABC�s again. But the words and sentences which he would form might come out very differently, and so might his aspirations and fears.

To be sure, such a situation would be an unbearable nightmare. While the people can support the continuous creation of nuclear weapons, radioactive fallout, and questionable foodstuffs, they cannot (for this very reason!) tolerate being deprived of the entertainment and education which make them capable of reproducing the arrangements for their defense and/or destruction. The non-functioning of television and the allied media might thus begin to achieve what the inherent contradictions of capitalism did not achieve

� the disintegration of the system. The creation of repressive needs has long since become part of socially necessary labor

� necessary in the sense that without it, the established mode of production could not be sustained. Neither problems of psychology nor of aesthetics are at stake, but the material base of domination.

guess we�re going to find out

# ? Dec 5, 2021 18:14

Cup Runneth Over: Aug 8, 2009; She said life's
Too short to worry
Life's too long to wait
It's too short
Not to love everybody
Life's too long to hate

mawarannahr posted:

guess we�re going to find out

wait! I haven't had enough time to gently caress around!!

# ? Dec 5, 2021 18:32

Epitope: Nov 27, 2006; Grimey Drawer

Isn't materialism good? Does hyper mean self centered, selfish, concerned only with ones own comfort? To be less obtuse- obviously there's two meanings to the word materialism, but what exactly distinguishes them?

# ? Dec 5, 2021 19:12

God Hole: Mar 2, 2016

Hubbert posted:

He is an environmental hero, you know. We should be grateful that his company has given him the sacred task of shooting a lake of acidic poison, to ensure that migratory wildlife won't dissolve themselves while he's on the clock.

a modern xerxes. i would follow this man into battle

# ? Dec 5, 2021 19:28

Alobar: Jun 21, 2011; Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.

Real hurthling! posted:

they should put the plastic reservoir balls on that lake

"modern problems, modern solutions

oh, poo poo the plastic balls are melting in the poison lake and the birds are drinking it

now shooting it only makes it stronger :ohdear:

# ? Dec 5, 2021 20:07

mawarannahr: May 21, 2019

Epitope posted:

Isn't materialism good? Does hyper mean self centered, selfish, concerned only with ones own comfort? To be less obtuse- obviously there's two meanings to the word materialism, but what exactly distinguishes them?

here is Engels:

quote:

The materialist conception of history starts from the proposition that the production of the means to support human life and, next to production, the exchange of things produced, is the basis of all social structure; that in every society that has appeared in history, the manner in which wealth is distributed and society divided into classes or orders is dependent upon what is produced, how it is produced, and how the products are exchanged. From this point of view, the final causes of all social changes and political revolutions are to be sought, not in men's brains, not in men's better insights into eternal truth and justice, but in changes in the modes of production and exchange. They are to be sought, not in the philosophy, but in the economics of each particular epoch.

� Friedrich Engels, Socialism: Scientific and Utopian (1880)

compare this to a preoccupation with material possessions and physical comfort. this might be in the brain, but it�s possible to induce it and create ever more need, up to the point that it leads to excess consumption and rampant pollution. when people are too attached to needs, this can hinder revolutionary consciousness, according to some people. (there is disagreement about this. )

the systemization and application of the idea that a need could be artificially induced and then satisfied by physical commodity exchange happened mostly over the past 100 years. desires are products of brains that can be spurred toward new desires, and these can be observed and verified in ways that can be backed (we are told) by physical measurements. the availability of these make it so they can be commodified and sold. the next step is stuff like Facebook, which employs hundreds if not thousands of psychologists and linguists.

�everyone� enjoys having the things they want and being comfortable, but there�s no real limit to want, and some wants are more convenient for business and ultimately detrimental to the people who want them. but the mode of production and exchange needs to sustain itself in the face of falling profits � which it is doing by extending systems first made to measure physical properties and then to manage people who produced physical objects. so materialism in the philosophical sense and in the sense of consumerism are different but related.

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Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

You can extend Engels there a step further and say simply, the materialist position: everything which is was produced and produces. That is, everything, totally, is a consequence of some other thing (or things) and everything engenders a consequence (or consequences). Furthermore things are never consequential to nothing (or an insufficiency) or consequential to themselves (in isolation).

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Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

buncha nominalists itt

# ? Dec 5, 2021 20:52

Alobar: Jun 21, 2011; Are you proud of me?

Are you proud of what I do?

I'll try to be a better man than the one that you knew.

bob dole is the most handsome man on television

e: i meant to post this in the kissinger thread

# ? Dec 5, 2021 20:56

Zodium: Jun 19, 2004

in the final analysis, everything is real and true and hilarious.

# ? Dec 5, 2021 20:57

Perry Mason Jar: Feb 24, 2006; "Della? Take a lid"

Zodium posted:

in the final analysis, everything is real and true and hilarious.

A lot of virgins dying and bringing (torrential) rain (and flooding) right now. :hmmyes:

# ? Dec 5, 2021 20:59

Chamale: Jul 11, 2010; I'm helping!

Milo and POTUS posted:

No government's going to issue suicide pills. You'll suffer until the day you die

Canada's had a problem with a lack of therapists for years, so we're rolling out suicide pills for depressed people next year

# ? Dec 5, 2021 22:51

Mayor Dave: Feb 20, 2009; Bernie the Snow Clown

https://twitter.com/GizmoWeather/status/1467618856638291976

# ? Dec 5, 2021 23:21

Jabronie: Jun 4, 2011; In an investigation, details matter.

Mayor Dave posted:

https://twitter.com/GizmoWeather/status/1467618856638291976

HEARTWARMING: Nation relieved from doubling heating bills

# ? Dec 5, 2021 23:37

bag em and tag em: Nov 4, 2008

Sorry doomers but it's very nice outside right now. Sunny, crisp breeze, warm in there sun but not hot. Looks like it was all a hoax after all.

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actionjackson: Jan 12, 2003

Mayor Dave posted:

https://twitter.com/GizmoWeather/status/1467618856638291976

holy lol. where is the 37.5 anomaly? i can't really tell because there are two different dark red sections

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# ? Dec 5, 2021 23:50

Xaris: Jul 25, 2006; Lucky there's a family guy
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Perry Mason Jar posted:

There's a thread that runs through all major religions and many spiritual practices: One-ness. Unity. All-Being. Separation as illusion. Otherness as illusion.

But its inverse is also a spiritual practice. That is, we are offered two choices again and again: love of the self or love of others (or other-selves, as it were). Making the choice is the spiritual practice in itself. If you choose neither (not choosing) or something in between (non-choosing) then you get an F on your spiritual quiz. By the by, conscious choosing of love-of-the-self does not require the belief that separation isn't an illusion.

Religions at their purest and spiritual practices, all of them, are systems and tools for psycho-social personal development, for refinement of the self-ish will, intentionality, and therefore one's capability to effect change, whether that change is within or without. It should be obvious that this doesn't require a belief in God per se.

yeah that's fair and good stuff. I also have also added it will also mean something different to different people and not intending to speak as an ultimate authority of definition. but i do think it's important that it's viewed as being decoupled from a 'supernatural' or God-fearing sense as many americans may initially think.

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Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

The Wisest Moron posted:

Here's a story about how with a little ingenuity and gumption we can fix regular pollution with noise pollution!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qtlPTE-UmY4

I am genuinely glad that there are people dedicated to saving ducks from cooking themselves in acid, but it's pretty that the method of choice is shooting in their direction lol.

just pour plastic balls in there

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:16

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

Jabronie posted:

HEARTWARMING: Nation relieved from doubling heating bills

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:16

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

btw this came out and wapo had some choice quotes lol

Washington Post posted:

The United States contributes more to this deluge than any other nation, according to the analysis, generating about 287 pounds of plastics per person. Overall, the United States produced 42 million metric tons of plastic waste in 2016 � almost twice as much as China, and more than the entire European Union combined.

�The volume is astounding,� said Monterey Bay Aquarium�s chief conservation and science officer, Margaret Spring, who chaired the NAS committee, in an interview.

The vast majority of plastics are made from fossil fuels, and some can take hundreds of years to decompose.

The researchers estimated that between 1.13 million to 2.24 million metric tons of the United States� plastic waste leak into the environment each year. About 8 million metric tons of plastic end up in the ocean a year, and under the current trajectory that number could climb to 53 million by the end of the decade.

That amount of waste would be the equivalent to �roughly half of the total weight of fish caught from the ocean annually,� the report said.

...

Sen. Sheldon Whitehouse (R.I.), the law�s primary Democratic sponsor, said, �I look forward to working with colleagues on both sides of the aisle to keep making progress cleaning up this harmful mess.�

...

The American Chemistry Council, a trade association, endorsed the idea of a national approach but said it opposed efforts to curtail the use of plastics in society.

�Plastic is a valuable resource that should be kept in our economy and out of our environment,� said the group�s vice president of plastics, Joshua Baca, in a statement. �Unfortunately, the report also suggests restricting plastic production to reduce marine debris. This is misguided and would lead to supply chain disruptions.�

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:21

Hubbert: Mar 25, 2007; At a time of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act.

actionjackson posted:

holy lol. where is the 37.5 anomaly? i can't really tell because there are two different dark red sections

americans, always posting just their country!

i'm sure everything to the south of the U S A is fine too!

https://climatereanalyzer.org/wx/DailySummary/#t2

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# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:26

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

lmao getting a quote from a trade association head who has a vested interest in never stopping the pollution.

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kater: Nov 16, 2010

�us world leader�

�waste�

�fossil fuel�

lol this is heavily subsidized isn�t it

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:29

Puppy Burner: Sep 9, 2011

kater posted:

�us world leader�

�waste�

�fossil fuel�

lol this is heavily subsidized isn�t it

subsidies you can't even imagine are giving to the fossil fuel industry and its subsidiaries. wealth beyond what you will ever dream thrown directly into killing the world

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:37

Homeless Friend: Jul 16, 2007

namwaste

# ? Dec 6, 2021 01:39

silicone thrills: Jan 9, 2008; I paint things

Homeless Friend posted:

namwaste

Get in touch with your inner polluter.

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LibCrusher: Jan 6, 2019; by Fluffdaddy

man I thought last year was gonna be the worst �year without a winter� in the decade because of the drop in aerosols from jets. turns out this year doesn�t get a winter either! hmm!

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