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El Grillo posted:In the show it makes no sense because if they were making enough money that they can buy street food on a whim and pay for room at an inn, why do they say they've been sleeping rough for a month? I thought street food lady was handing out free samples or something. I don’t recall them handing over money. As to the inn, Rand says it’s owned by a friend of Thom’s so I assume it was comped or at least heavily discounted, though they could have been more explicit about it.
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The gently caress is with considering the xray stuff to be considered non spoiler if the show hasn't gotten there yet? It's a Fandom thing, it assumes you know the story.
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Dec 5, 2021 21:59
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The gently caress is with considering the xray stuff to be considered non spoiler if the show hasn't gotten there yet? The Xray stuff is part of the show.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:02
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Submarine Sandpaper posted:The gently caress is with considering the xray stuff to be considered non spoiler if the show hasn't gotten there yet? I genuinely do not know your position on it after this post. Do you want the X-Ray stuff to be considered spoilers or not?
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Dec 5, 2021 22:02
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its HIM posted:I thought street food lady was handing out free samples or something. I don’t recall them handing over money. With the inn there was a line about how expensive it was so I don't think it was a comp or discount. It was definitely weird that they mentioned the connection with the innkeeper but then nothing seemed to result from that at all. If it was as you are suggesting, you'd think there would be a line about how they were lucky to get the room from the generous innkeeper, or something like that, instead of a line that said the opposite lol Anyways that's probably enough posts from me about bits I found inconsistent its HIM posted:Two major and a couple minor things here. And yeah I think the production cost must be higher too, probably even more pricey than the Power stuff is the creature stuff I should think.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:09
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The thing is the show is pretty good but you get these weird inconsistencies that stick out like a sore thumb and just make you go “huh that’s weird”.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:11
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El Grillo posted:With the inn there was a line about how expensive it was so I don't think it was a comp or discount. i don't think that getting a discount would prevent them from still going 'jesus holy poo poo this place is expensive' even after that since they'd have an idea how much it costs normally
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Dec 5, 2021 22:13
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El Grillo posted:This is interesting, I hadn't heard GoT used stuff from Rome (or maybe I'd just forgotten). I think it's less that stuff from Rome was used directly and more that the infrastructure/expertise to support GoT's production was already established because of Rome's prior existence. Edit: though i guess it's possible some stuff from rome was outright re-used, idk for sure
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Dec 5, 2021 22:17
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The design of the White Tower is very interesting. Can any architecture nerds tell me what it's taking inspiration from?
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Dec 5, 2021 22:26
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MarcusSA posted:The thing is the show is pretty good but you get these weird inconsistencies that stick out like a sore thumb and just make you go “huh that’s weird”. Getting a fantasy adaptation like the first season of GoT, or like the LOTR movies, is always going to be a lightning in a bottle thing, I reckon, so I am going to keep watching WoT for now. For one thing, Rosamund Pike is just too frickin good as Moiraine.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:42
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Your Gay Uncle posted:The Trollocs looked pretty, obvious cgi when they were running on all 4. Submarine Sandpaper posted:The gently caress is with considering the xray stuff to be considered non spoiler if the show hasn't gotten there yet? DTurtle fucked around with this message at 22:47 on Dec 5, 2021 |
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Dec 5, 2021 22:45
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The CGI effects look really good aside from a few wonky shots of running trollocs. The interior set designs for the White Tower look cheap and small. Same goes the small size of Logain’s “Army” and Bornhald’s Whitecloaks.
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Dec 5, 2021 22:56
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Logain's army is the remnants of a militia that had already been defeated at least a few days prior, and are so rudderless without Logain himself they're just bumrushing the enemy, and attacking with no strategy. Bornhald's Whitecloaks are a small group he's taking on an expedition, and not meant to come off as any kind of sizable projection of strength.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:05
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MarcusSA posted:Yeah that line about the night at the inn was weird. It felt unnecessary. I honestly can't tell if i'm being punked. They had horses. They no longer have horses. They have coin. They also have new cloaks. These things are all connected.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:05
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CainFortea posted:I honestly can't tell if i'm being punked. A month of living on the on the run elapsed. They were walking at the start of the episode.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:15
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The implication is that they sold the horses before reaching the city. Mat is a horse trader.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:17
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Bongo Bill posted:The implication is that they sold the horses before reaching the city. Mat is a horse trader. Yes I get that part but they looked pretty destitute at the start of the episode. They really didn't need to mention the cost of that room because saying it costs as much as a month at a normal place is a lot of drat money which they didn't really seem to have a lot of.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:19
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CainFortea posted:I honestly can't tell if i'm being punked. sorry thread for starting this derail
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Dec 5, 2021 23:20
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MarcusSA posted:Yes I get that part but they looked pretty destitute at the start of the episode. Yea, being punked. El Grillo posted:You're assuming a bunch of stuff that the show hasn't actually said. quote:they sleeping rough for a month
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Dec 5, 2021 23:21
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They mention that the inn is expensive to establish that everything is more expensive in the city than out in the sticks, as part of a series of details that reinforce that they are in a place that is strange and unfamiliar to them, but they're making do. They're rural, not stupid.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:22
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Strange how a couple of travelers with no allies or support network or reliable income might not spend money on looking fancy. Especially while trying to remain inconspicuous, and double-especially since they're not indoctrinated by modern consumer culture.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:22
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Corbeau posted:Strange how a couple of travelers with no allies or support network or reliable income might not spend money on looking fancy. Especially while trying to remain inconspicuous, and double-especially since they're not indoctrinated by modern consumer culture. That wasn't stated in the episode! NON-CANNON!!! /s
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Dec 5, 2021 23:23
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if a show presents an in universe explanation then it is not, in fact, an inconsistency.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:24
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my cat is norris posted:I think it's less that stuff from Rome was used directly and more that the infrastructure/expertise to support GoT's production was already established because of Rome's prior existence. I watched them back to back in 2011 and I definitely recall recognizing reused armor, so I’m certain they reused props and costuming… unless it happened that the same people redesigned the exact same outfits, which is also possible… You can look at the crew lists on imdb and see the overlaps in cinematographers, editors, costume designers, armorers, etc. in GOT’s early years so one way or another they leaned heavily on that preexisting infrastructure.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:24
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CainFortea posted:Yea, being punked.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:27
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El Grillo posted:You're assuming a bunch of stuff that the show hasn't actually said. That's fine to a certain point, we fill in tiny gaps in a narrative all the time without even realising it. But you're coming up with a whole explanation for some things that are actually just inconsistencies in the show. If they sold their horses or had some other way to get money, and were able to buy new cloaks, why were they sleeping rough for a month? Even with the explanations you've made up to try to fill the hole, it makes no sense. I'm guessing they were sleeping rough because the last inn they were at was run by a Darkfriend who called a Fade on them and the last farm family who took them in got slaughtered by that Fade. So if you're scared of Darkfriends and don't want another dead family on your conscience, you're going to be sleeping in hayfields and under hedges for a month. They're only getting a room now because they've made it to Tar Valon and feel safe from Darkfriends and Fades here in the center of Aes Sedai power.
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El Grillo posted:Matt said he's just tired, a month without a warm bed will do that. Then when Rand comments on how expensive the room is, Matt says 'better than the road'. They have been sleeping rough. all the money in the entire world will not make inns and beds appear on back country roads. you could also use your big brain and consider that if money is a finite resource (they only had two horsies! ) they were conserving that money on the way to Tar Valon and mildly upset that all their careful budgeting has gone out the window for a single night in an inn. the line is there to show that they are essentially hosed financially and will need to use moiraine or other resources to continue to survive. why am I wasting my breath
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Dec 5, 2021 23:33
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Wait, hang on, what's the inconsistency again?
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buffalo all day posted:im going to become the joker
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I do feel like the "One month later..." transition felt rough, no argument there, but nothing is particularly farfetched about what was skipped over. At least in this timeline.
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CainFortea posted:I honestly can't tell if i'm being punked. The next time some goon kramers in to the thread yelling about how they need to do more "show don't tell" or "ugh trust the audience some more to figure things out," just go back and tap this exchange repeatedly.
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Dec 5, 2021 23:36
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as a point of context from the books there's a series of events on the road that gets compressed a bit in the show where they're primarily hoofing it and sleeping insanely rough due to wanting to avoid getting killed in their sleep by a fade or whatever else because they're basically more on the run than anything. they're not entirely lacking in funds, just only now getting to the first place they can actually rest and briefly commenting on how expensive everything is compared to the inn they're used to in their podunk, backwater village.
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El Grillo posted:Ah I thought I heard a coin clinking SFX or something when he took the food. edit: rewatching now, yeah there is Yeah, I looked back and he does quickly toss a coin in there. Bongo Bill posted:They mention that the inn is expensive to establish that everything is more expensive in the city than out in the sticks, as part of a series of details that reinforce that they are in a place that is strange and unfamiliar to them, but they're making do. Yeah, I figure that was just a general comment about how expensive things were, not how much they'd necessarily paid. There's no reason to mention that Thom's friend owns the inn if they're not getting a hookup of some kind. But the writing definitely could have been clearer there.
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How are u posted:Ask it in the God drat spoiler thread, maybe? It just keeps happening.
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I Am Fowl posted:The design of the White Tower is very interesting. Can any architecture nerds tell me what it's taking inspiration from?   EDIT: in fact, I think the castle besieged by Logain in the previous episode was part of the Alhambra in Granada? That Italian Guy fucked around with this message at 00:51 on Dec 6, 2021 |
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I finished the book series a couple years ago but I like the changes so far its gonna take some work to remove the slog that spanned books. I don't think it is a spoiler, but the prologue to the first book was one of the best scenes in the whole series and I hope they work it back in later on. Are wheel of time fans losing it? The changes seem kinda big
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longtimelurker posted:Are wheel of time fans losing it? The changes seem kinda big It varies. Most fans seem very positive and, if not welcoming, at least accepting of the changes. We all knew this was gonna be a real beast to adapt and the people involved seem really dedicated to getting it right. There's some very vocal hatred of it coming from certain corners of the internet, but it largely seems to be more driven by culture war nonsense than any actual coherent criticism of how things are being adapted.
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longtimelurker posted:I finished the book series a couple years ago but I like the changes so far its gonna take some work to remove the slog that spanned books. I don't think it is a spoiler, but the prologue to the first book was one of the best scenes in the whole series and I hope they work it back in later on. The prologue is animated as the bonus animation attached to episode one. It's not really a full telling of it, since you don't get any of the dialogue or even interactions, and it's just someone talking about what happened in a vague way. I think there's plans to do it in live action at some point though, going off some hints Rafe stated in his AMA thread on Reddit among other things.
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longtimelurker posted:Are wheel of time fans losing it? The changes seem kinda big So far the show has been incredibly faithful to the contents of the books even if they aren't doing it word for word.
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its HIM posted:Two major and a couple minor things here. You got a source on that Rome thing? Because that show ended in 2007 and GoT didn't air until 2011... They don't tend to keep stuff that long. The Expanse was selling their sets and stuff in the short time between when Syfy canceled them and Amazon picked them up. I don't see HBO hanging onto that stuff for 4+ years. And the people who worked on it would have moved on to other things. They have different production companies too, right? Corbeau posted:I do feel like the "One month later..." transition felt rough, no argument there, but nothing is particularly farfetched about what was skipped over. I was happy to see it honestly. Avoid all the complaints about travel times in GoT.
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