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The Walrus posted:I only have so much sympathy. I'm sorry. There are too many horrible things in the world and too many people to feel bad for people who read the sign that says YOU WILL DIE IF YOU DO THIS and then do it. I have sympathy for their families and loved ones and anyone who had to watch it happen. I mean, that's fair, you do you, but I think it's a shame to cut off sympathy, especially when you don't really know what's going on with someone.
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Dec 7, 2021 23:08
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Each and every person who makes the attempt believes, in their heart of hearts, that they are tough and strong and good enough to make the climb but also will be the first one to finally gently caress that mountain.
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Dec 8, 2021 15:52
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Would they let them, gently caress the mountain?
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Dec 8, 2021 16:23
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Buddy, they don't even let you gently caress ON the mountain
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Dec 8, 2021 16:50
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I don't see why anyone would want to climb mountains. Aw gently caress I want to climb mountains.
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Dec 8, 2021 16:56
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Colonel Cancer posted:Would they let them, gently caress the mountain? Only the best climber gets to.
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Dec 8, 2021 17:37
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have you seen how ecologically devastated everest is? weve ALL hosed that mountain
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Dec 8, 2021 18:34
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Just fuckin' ice and climbing boots everywhere the native flora and fauna is hosed
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Dec 8, 2021 19:26
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ante posted:How can you be so stupid as to drive a car I don't drive a car. Check. Mate! (due to crippling mental health that will probably kill me instead)
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Paper Lion posted:have you seen how ecologically devastated everest is? weve ALL hosed that mountain I’ve said it before but in this thread, but when I got my oculus one of the first things I did was watch the VR Everest video they kept advertising me. You look around in and there is trash everywhere on that mountain. It’s been hosed for sure
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Dec 8, 2021 23:30
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Someone's probably brought it up but has anyone else seen 14 Peaks: Nothing is Impossible on Netflix? It's about a Nepalese mountaineer and former Gurkha who, with a few buddies and some funding he raised himself in the west, scaled every single 8,000-meter-plus peak in the space of about half a year. An absolutely insane accomplishment considering the last person to do it took like 14 years or something. I also really enjoyed the idea of the Nepalese getting some of the glory back after years of hauling useless westerners and their endless oxygen and tools up and down these mountains. I don't think anyone is going to be able to surpass that accomplishment anytime soon. Everest was pretty much the easiest one apart from the crowds, and they actually took that one photo that went viral of insanely crowded lead lines leading to the summit there.
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Thanks for the recommendation, I've now watched the docu and while it is nice and good I think they focused too little on the climbing aspect, some mountains they did was just, "Oh yeah we did this peak as well, moving on..."
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Dec 9, 2021 13:54
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The Alpinist is apparently also a new movie about climbing, available on Netflix. Haven't seen it.
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I'm getting older and more politically cynical, so the whole time they are showing the "likes" ticking up on Nims's Instagram plea to let China let him climb Shishapangma, and then he is allowed, I was wondering what quid pro quo China got for that. Because I somehow doubt Instagram likes melted the hearts of those in charge of Nepal-China geopolitics as the movie wants us to believe.
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Play posted:Someone's probably brought it up but has anyone else seen 14 Peaks: Nothing is Impossible on Netflix? Yeah we were just talking about it, you'll def find some chatter about it if you scroll back. It's a good film, lots of solid footage. I don't know if comparing it to Messner really holds up, he wasn't exactly trying to do them back to back, and the support infrastructure has changed completely in the last 20 years. But yeah it's a hell of an accomplishment, there's probably only a handful people in the world right now who could pull that off, and four of them are in that film (Nims is clearly the driving force of the film, but I find it odd that few written reviews include Mingma David, Galjen, and Gesman who I think did all 14 right along with him? David I'm almost certain did). And it's very cool that the focus is squarely on the Nepalese team.
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Dec 9, 2021 16:28
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busalover posted:The Alpinist is apparently also a new movie about climbing, available on Netflix. Haven't seen it. It's a good one. Talks about Marc-André free solo ascents and free solo alpine ascents with beautiful mountain views. How he shies away from press and just goes out there and does it mostly alone. Highly recommend. e: added free Dead Nerve fucked around with this message at 21:34 on Dec 9, 2021 |
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Dec 9, 2021 21:30
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PittTheElder posted:Yeah we were just talking about it, you'll def find some chatter about it if you scroll back. It's a good film, lots of solid footage. I was only comparing it to Messner in that he's the only other person to have ever done that in any amount of time, if I'm not mistaken? So yeah, Messner was not specifically going for a time limit but at the same time he is still the previous record holder. In a lot of ways (oxygen, sherpa support, infrastructure, etc.) the two things are completely different they are only the same in that he was the last one to climb them all. Unless I misunderstood.
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Dec 9, 2021 21:35
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value-brand cereal posted:If you mean Off the Wall: Death in Yosemite by Michael P. Ghiglieri, Charles R. Farabee, then it kind of is. I found a pdf with actual text and not just lousy image scans of the pages. But alas, it's filez 😐 But it is out there if you don't mind 'internet borrowing' it until a physical purchased copy arrives. The Best Sentences In Off The Wall: Death In Yosemite quote:“Knowing how the falls had received their picturesque name, however, did nothing to help the two soggy lovebirds from becoming one with this natural phenomenon.”
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Dec 9, 2021 23:12
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Wow that's very mean spirited. Is the Yellowstone book like that? I already ordered it off amazon  edit: different author so I hope not
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Dec 9, 2021 23:45
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I feel like the Yellowstone one is kinda finger waggy about stuff but not as mean as that, wow. I am only up to the second? chapter though.
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Dec 9, 2021 23:47
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“A solo hiker often has a fool for a companion.” Lame adaptation of "A lawyer who represents himself has a fool for a client." Are you calling the breeze and the squirrels fools?
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Dec 10, 2021 00:31
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no, those things aren't hikers.
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Dec 10, 2021 01:30
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Ha ha nice! They found a ton of marijuana!!
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I was halfway through this post wondering what the hell this Alan Ginsberg wannabe scatterbrained bullshit was and why everybody is praising it. Then I realized it's a collection of quotes and not a single passage.
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Play posted:I was only comparing it to Messner in that he's the only other person to have ever done that in any amount of time, if I'm not mistaken? So yeah, Messner was not specifically going for a time limit but at the same time he is still the previous record holder. In a lot of ways (oxygen, sherpa support, infrastructure, etc.) the two things are completely different they are only the same in that he was the last one to climb them all. A quick Wiki read says 44 people have climbed all 14 peaks. Messner was the first.
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Dec 10, 2021 03:24
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Strongly recommend The Alpinist (on Netflix). Just go in cold and be prepared for the guy that Alex Honnold thinks is insane
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Anne Whateley posted:Strongly recommend The Alpinist (on Netflix). Just go in cold and be prepared for the guy that Alex Honnold thinks is insane Alex Honnold thinks he’s nuts? Well now I gotta watch it. Or we’ll try. I could not get through Honnold’s free climb movie.
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Dec 10, 2021 05:57
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Fwiw I think The Alpinist is shot more intensely. A lot of the shots as he's climbing are from directly above, looking down at him so you can see his tiny points of contact to the face and the full drop below him as he free solos. I never normally mind heights, but that was a lot. If you couldn't get through Free Solo, this one is more of everything imo.
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Kamrat posted:Thanks for the recommendation, I've now watched the docu and while it is nice and good I think they focused too little on the climbing aspect, some mountains they did was just, "Oh yeah we did this peak as well, moving on..." Yeah I really liked the docu mainly for giving Nepalese climbers the credit they finally deserve, but it was a little frustrating that they pretty much breezed past the actual mountain climbing. Only really the bottleneck on K2 and the queues on Everest got a real mention. I wish Annapurna got more attention seeing as it's like the most deadly one. That said, the whole thing was crazy and summiting Everest, Lhotse and Makalu in 48 hours was loving insane. Edit: I really like this short film about summiting Gasherbrum II, it's very intense - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-OBX25ix4eU
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Wow, people really are crazy, summiting an 8k peak in winter is something I didn't expect people would attempt.
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Alpinist good. One thing I noticed after watching it and looking into the dudes career was that he did the Patagonia winter ascent before his “disappeared and showed up on Mt Robson” bit. The documentary definitely frames it as him being roped into filming Patagonia for the movie after loving off for a while. Weird choice but I guess it just makes for a more compelling story.
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I read Death in Yosemite and Shadow Divers and watched 14 and the Alpinest this week in an adventure media frenzy. Death in Yosemite: very good! I was worried about the ghoulish seeming quotes earlier in the thread but I'd have to say that overall they handled the subject respectfully. Lots of successful rescue stories too and it's really interesting to see what made the differences between the two whether skill, luck, planning, etc. Shadow Divers: Great! The interspersed historical flashback chapters can drag a bit but there still a lot of good stuff in them. 14: Great story and cinematography. An easy fun watch. But way too little focus on the actual climbing. Dunno the right movie words, but it seemed more of a character and reax focused documentary. Which is fine, but I think it could've been shot/edited a lot better. The Alpinest: Excellent, it's a must watch. I loved everything about it. Great people, story, footage, emotion, points for contemplation, relatability, etc. Don't read spoilers, just roll it.
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Laopooh posted:I read Death in Yosemite and Shadow Divers and watched 14 and the Alpinest this week in an adventure media frenzy. I can't speak to the books but this matches my thoughts of these two films. What Nims did in 14 Peaks is such a tremendous achievement but parts of the movie are like, "then they climbed three more mountains" and I couldn't help but think "wow, I wish they showed some footage of that." The Alpinist is excellent through and through.
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Laopooh posted:
Honestly since 'Dear Zachary' I'm never watching a documentary unspoiled again. Don't look it up, it's a bummer. I like to know going in if someone dies or whatever.
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honda whisperer posted:I'm watching the alpinist right now and this is terrifying. I just watched it and it was very good.
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HopperUK posted:Honestly since 'Dear Zachary' I'm never watching a documentary unspoiled again. Don't look it up, it's a bummer. I like to know going in if someone dies or whatever. Yeah that's fair. I just read about Dear Zachary and I'm glad I don't have to see the film now. That's some painful stuff. I think with The Alpinist you can kind of expect what was coming. His life was beautiful and the movie was poignant and uplifting despite the sad ending.
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A couple of things have been rattling around in my head since I watched The Alpinist yesterday. The narrative briefly discussed Leclerc's good decision to abandon his first attempt at Torre Egger, before moving on to detail his successful second attempt. But they glossed over the (IMO) recklessness of making an immediate and unplanned second attempt, during an even shorter weather window and with all the fatigue and minor injuries from the first attempt and the blizzard survival. I knew nothing about Leclerc going into the movie, but while the narrative was focused on his success that decision immediately made me think "this guy's going to run out of luck". Secondly, I was getting a bad feeling from the beginning of the Mendenhall climb because the narrative had stressed how Leclerc always climbs alone. The mental/technical process is obviously much different with another person, and to attempt a very challenging first climb while factoring in this additional risk and uncertainty gave me bad vibes right from the beginning. It left me wondering if the avalanche was just Leclerc's luck running out, or if he made a mistake, or if his partner did, or if the avalanche was triggered by Leclerc not being experienced with climbing as part of a team. Leclerc was clearly an extraordinarily gifted climber but it's clear that he should have been lowering his risk tolerance as the mountains and the stakes grew higher. Maybe a person with that kind of drive and passion just isn't able to pull back from the knife's edge? It was a fascinating story and although I was expecting something awful to happen, that last video of Leclerc on the Mendenhall summit was still hard to watch.
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FistEnergy posted:A couple of things have been rattling around in my head since I watched The Alpinist yesterday. 100% agree with this had the exact same thought when they were running through his climb rules - not having any method to communicate with the outside world. 'Well, one day he's going to die to exposure with a broken leg then.' I mean, that wasn't the case on the final climb, since he and the oher climber both had phones and were sending people videos/messages. But did the docco mention if they had locator beacons in the case of an avalanche? It doesn't state if they do or not. If they did, the search for their bodies would have been much simpler, right? If you go climbing in country like that, without those basic and widely used safety tools, then poo poo like this is going to happen. That's the choice they made, that was the risk they thought was acceptable and n must eventually equal 1.
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