T-Paine posted:

https://twitter.com/incom2/status/1468935672731996162

A Terrible Person posted:

I'm morbidly curious as to how the first world countries are going to handle food shortages and/or outright famine in the information age.

Tens hundreds of thousands running out of food while their internet connections are still paid for, getting called pussies by fascists that haven't been hit yet but also not getting a hell of a lot of sympathy from people who have survived food insecurity in the past. At least in the beginning.

I know a lot of us have been there, going a week or more on nothing except maybe a ramen packet, can of corn, or single-serving bag of ham slices maybe once every few days due to inexperience, bad planning, or outright lack of options.

I don't know. I'm just wondering what happens when a bunch of otherwise comfortable people are confronted with the fact that being "hungry" isn't just skipping breakfast or neglecting to grab a late night snack; when they're confronted by the fact that a single, unseasoned hard-boiled egg is a feast for kings if you don't know when you'll eat again. Especially when they can still tweet or post on Facebook or whatever about it.

Again, just morbid curiosity.

ACES CURE PLANES posted:

The 'as doomed as the species who were on an island and never learned how to live outside of it' is weird because like, feels like we have a pretty good amount of examples of said species trucking on like normal for who knows how long.

Until we gently caress it up of course.

Oxxidation posted:

seventy degrees in December

there it is again

goochtit posted:

Is this it? Is this... ^{peak oil?}

Oxxidation posted:

seventy degrees in December

there it is again

Hubbert posted:

I've been told that it isn't real, so you shouldn't worry about it.

Hubbert posted:

I've been told that it isn't real, so you shouldn't worry about it.

Stereotype posted:

there is infinite oil don’t worry. also burning this infinite oil has no consequences.

T-Paine posted:

https://twitter.com/incom2/status/1468935672731996162

petit choux posted:

And #5, the eternal human truth of if I don't do it somebody else will.

Now that's a half decent snipe. If I don't do it somebody else will should be written on mankind's grave.

T-Paine posted:

https://twitter.com/LeftistWonk/status/1468806429855424514

Comatoast posted:

You can eat 70% starches and remain skinny as long as your total caloric intake is relatively low.

quote:

A Tanzanian hunter-gatherer society called the Hadza get about 15 percent of their calories from honey. Combined with all the sugar they get from eating fruit, they end up eating about the same amount of sugar as Americans do. Despite this, the Hadza do not exhibit obesity. Another group, the Mbuti of the Congo, eat almost nothing but honey during the rainy season, when honey can provide up to 80% of the calories in their diet. These are all unrefined sugars, of course, but the Kuna of Panama, though mostly hunter-gatherers, also obtain white sugar and some sugar-containing foods from trade. Their diet is 65% carbohydrate and 17% sugar, which is more sugar than the average American currently consumes. Despite this the Kuna are lean, with average BMIs around 22-23.

The Inuit, by contrast, traditionally ate a diet consisting primarily of seal meat and blubber, with approximately 50% of their calories coming from fat. This diet is quite low in fruits and vegetables, but obesity was virtually unknown until the arrival of western culture. The Maasai are an even more extreme example, subsisting on a diet composed “almost exclusively of milk, blood, and meat”. They drink “an average of 3 to 5 quarts/day of their staple: milk supplemented with cow’s blood and meat“. This adds up to about 3000 calories per day, 66% of those calories being from fat. (They also sometimes eat honey and tree bark.) But the Maasai are also quite lean, with the average BMI for both men and women being again in the range of 22-23, increasing very slightly over age.

Kitava is a Melanesian island largely isolated from the outside world. In 1990, Staffan Lindeberg went to the island to study the diet, lifestyle, and health of its people. He found a diet based on starchy tubers and roots like yam, sweet potato, and taro, supplemented by fruit, vegetables, seafood, and coconut. Food was abundant and easy to come by, and the Kitavans ate as much as they wanted. “It is obvious from our investigations,” wrote Lindeberg, “that lack of food is an unknown concept, and that the surplus of fruits and vegetables regularly rots or is eaten by dogs.”

About 70% of the calories in the Kitavan diet came from carbohydrates. For comparison, the modern American diet is about 50% carbohydrates. Despite this, none of the Kitavans were obese. Instead they were in excellent health. Below, you’ll see a photo of a Kitavan man being examined by Lindeberg.

actionjackson posted:

actually there was something posted in another thread recently that disputes this. they point more to environmental factors, and also elevation (it has been found that people living in higher elevations have less obesity - helps to explain why Colorado always has lower obesity rates than any other states)

https://slimemoldtimemold.com/2021/07/07/a-chemical-hunger-part-i-mysteries/

goochtit posted:

70% carb man

petit choux posted:

You studyin' them National Geographics in there boy?

Tempora Mutantur posted:

quote:

Microplastics dispersed in the environment may enhance antibiotic resistance. A study found the chemical-leaching plastics draw bacteria and other vectors and make them susceptible to antibiotic resistant genes.

quote:

There is plenty of money in cryptocurrencies available to prove a new “tokenomics” for nature; crypto innovators are astonishingly successful at creating digital scarcity that accrues in value. It is inevitable that the living scarcity of endangered species will become an asset class for those holding cryptocurrencies. The question is how to approach this in a way that is useful for the species and for the people looking after them.

We plan to endow the first digital wallets for orangutans with the proceeds of the sale of related non-fungible tokens (NFTs). Every wallet will have scientists and other signatories charged with making decisions in the interests of the orangutan. Over time, the process will become “Schrödingerian”: a wallet will be created when an ape is reliably observed for the first time. ‘Interspecies Money’ will be paid to people from funds in the wallets for adhering to simple and verifiable rules. These rules will be set by the orangutans (or to be precise, the human and computational proxies representing their needs). These could include such tasks as “observe me over time,” “leave my tree alone,” and “don’t kill me.”

Rime posted:

https://twitter.com/alex_sammon/status/1468283328830836741

err posted:

Sci-fi movies have absolutely fried this dude's brain.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

how is plastic so evil and further research keeps finding other ways that plastic is evil.

at some point you’d think there might be one good thing from infecting everything with plastic.

A Terrible Person posted:

I'm morbidly curious as to how the first world countries are going to handle food shortages and/or outright famine in the information age.

Tens hundreds of thousands running out of food while their internet connections are still paid for, getting called pussies by fascists that haven't been hit yet but also not getting a hell of a lot of sympathy from people who have survived food insecurity in the past. At least in the beginning.

I know a lot of us have been there, going a week or more on nothing except maybe a ramen packet, can of corn, or single-serving bag of ham slices maybe once every few days due to inexperience, bad planning, or outright lack of options.

I don't know. I'm just wondering what happens when a bunch of otherwise comfortable people are confronted with the fact that being "hungry" isn't just skipping breakfast or neglecting to grab a late night snack; when they're confronted by the fact that a single, unseasoned hard-boiled egg is a feast for kings if you don't know when you'll eat again. Especially when they can still tweet or post on Facebook or whatever about it.

Again, just morbid curiosity.

Ornery and Hornery posted:

how is plastic so evil and further research keeps finding other ways that plastic is evil.

at some point you’d think there might be one good thing from infecting everything with plastic.

err posted:

Sci-fi movies have absolutely fried this dude's brain.