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gradenko_2000 posted:That infrahaz guy was the same one that people were posting 50 pages ago or whatever with a clip where he yelled at someone calling them a "loving Fabian bitch" fabius was right tho
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Dec 13, 2021 18:19
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That Spooky Witch posted:trying to understand why the incredibly simplistic dynamic and conflict of working class - bourgeoisie does not pick up more steam https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_1.htm Not a binary unfortunately.
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Dec 13, 2021 18:27
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Southpaugh posted:https://www.marxists.org/reference/archive/mao/selected-works/volume-1/mswv1_1.htm thank you comrade
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Dec 13, 2021 18:30
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Reading about how Democratic Russia succeeded in destroying the USSR and lol ownedquote:Meanwhile, DRM and all factions within it were rapidly losing activists and economic resources as market reforms progressed and most of DRM and Yeltsin's grassroots supporters became impoverished and overwhelmed with material concerns. Jesus Christ. Ultimately Gorby could never have stopped it because he wanted the USSR to be a bourgeois democracy and this is how that works. Once you vote for them they can do whatever they want and they don't need you anymore because they work for people you can't vote out. Yeah yeah Gorby didn't want the USSR destroyed, he imagined some kind of plural democratic socialism would arise, but why would the new capitalists settle for that when they can just lie before the election and then steal everything after and use the military to crush dissent.
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Dec 13, 2021 19:49
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DRM sucks. Warez ftw
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Dec 13, 2021 19:55
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new party president just dropped: https://www.jacobinmag.com/2021/12/workers-party-of-belgium-ptb-raoul-hedebouw-interview
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Dec 13, 2021 20:11
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gradenko_2000 posted:DRM sucks. Warez ftw Marx failed to consider the seedbox
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Dec 13, 2021 20:40
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Dec 13, 2021 21:28
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tokin opposition posted:Marx failed to consider the seedbox long live the seedbox
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Dec 13, 2021 21:37
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Dreddout posted:The racist socialist tendency is so odd. Htory shows it's political suicide (strasserism nazbol, more recently twp) but the dumbest intellectuals keep trying to revive it. economic populist/strasserite/redbrown whatever chanazi people are the saddest pieces of poo poo. even if they existed in any kind of significant number in the Movement coalition they'd end up gutted and discarded like strasser and rohm and their children's futures sold to peter thiel. why would you end up an online loser demanding wealth redistribution and not be a communist like the rest of us (i know the answer, its racism, but still man is an ounce of self awareness too much to ask)
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Dec 13, 2021 21:41
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all this talk about reading capital got me to pull my copy off the shelf. now I am too tired from work to sit and read it. is this a contradiction?
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Dec 14, 2021 00:47
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The Voice of Labor posted:all this talk about reading capital got me to pull my copy off the shelf. now I am too tired from work to sit and read it. is this a contradiction? However, the shittiness of that system then making you too tired to actually read that book is capitalisms amazing and dynamic ability to deal with such contradictions.
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Dec 14, 2021 01:31
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Lasting Damage posted:i stopped pirating stuff with the rise of the streaming services for a while because getting stuff legit was actually reasonable, briefly. but now the script's flipped again and coming back to it has been a revelation.
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Dec 14, 2021 01:44
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mila kunis posted:economic populist/strasserite/redbrown whatever chanazi people are the saddest pieces of poo poo. even if they existed in any kind of significant number in the Movement coalition they'd end up gutted and discarded like strasser and rohm and their children's futures sold to peter thiel. why would you end up an online loser demanding wealth redistribution and not be a communist like the rest of us (i know the answer, its racism, but still man is an ounce of self awareness too much to ask)  there is some overlap, but some differences with this infrared/caleb maupin tendency (along with larouchism, the platypus society, etc.) which i theorize as a mutation of trotskyism. not necessarily consciously, but it has that trot DNA. i'm not talking about the actual work of leon trotsky the individual, but a tendency that emerged after his death based on envy and resentment and a sense of "betrayal" at the hands of whatever the official left is at the time. they see the central contradiction as being between the left and its leadership. also hence the guru cults and entryism. they have this obsession with the CPUSA which "betrayed" them but in the past it would've been the "stalinist bureaucracy" and now it's the "synthetic left." as a fundamentally negative tendency, it leads to isolation BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 02:34 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Dec 14, 2021 02:21
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i'm not talking about the actual work of leon trotsky the individual, but a tendency that emerged after his death based on envy and resentment and a sense of "betrayal" at the hands of whatever the official left is at the time. they see the central contradiction as being between the left and its leadership. also hence the guru cults and entryism Huh. I have actually described dissident Stalinists in pre-90s Yugoslavia in a very similar way before, even including the weird reminiscence to stereotypical Trot stuff. A friend's parents were Stalinist children of dissident Stalinists, doing entryism into... our (extremely neoliberal) Democratic Party :/ (she was a trot for a while as a "gently caress you mom and dad", and had a very unpleasant surprise about those guys - namely, being identical) so I got an extended look into what those orgs looked like. They suffered a lot from basically being cornered into socialising with mostly other people who wanted to bring Yugoslavia down, which explains some, uh, interesting views they developed.
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Dec 14, 2021 03:30
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the people who really into chanazi stuff are ridiculous goobers whose image of chinese trad stuff is from homoerotic wuxia t.v. dramas where the main characters blow on each other's flutes, which is like looking at interview with a vampire or xena: the warrior princess in the 90s and thinking that's what people in the west dress like normally Some of them (maybe just one or two prominent accounts) are just outright Chinese nationalists with a strong reactionary streak
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Dec 14, 2021 04:26
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DirtyRobot posted:the initial contradiction is the current system of work being so lovely that you’re motivated to pick up a book that’s explicitly about understanding the shittiness of the current system. Ok, yeah, but it's a hard book.
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Dec 14, 2021 04:35
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MLSM posted:They’re notoriously full of cops. Join PSL instead if you feel the need to join a party. I and multiple people I know have had interviews with the PSL and then just no follow up email or response to inquiries. PSL is very focused on developing media brands atm, for better or for worse. They even had a weird "MANCHIN IS THE PROBLEM" campaign on their accounts. Getting involved with CPUSA has been painless. And I hope to help convince people that we gain nothing by supporting the Democrats. The party has a historic pedigree and the international connections might one day be useful. An org where Lenin and Stalin aren't boogeymen is much easier to imagine becoming serious than the DSA, who sent me an email from "the master of treasure" Most people here are on several lists anyway. What do you have to lose by trying it out?
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Dec 14, 2021 19:08
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crossposting from the canada thread https://twitter.com/JeremyAppel1025/status/1470817525067763717?s=20
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Dec 14, 2021 21:32
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i think it's strange to believe CPUSA is shot through with cops, but somehow PSL isn't. history seems to show they will try to gently caress with an org even if it poses no serious threat.
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Dec 14, 2021 21:39
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That Spooky Witch posted:revolution via the pigs blood don’t worry, I figured it out.
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Dec 14, 2021 21:51
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cops in cpusa must be the forgotten employees of the fbi. passed over in a re-org after the wall fell but the paychecks kept coming
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Dec 14, 2021 22:12
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There's a cop living in your head comrade Use a qtip
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Dec 15, 2021 00:55
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more like copious amounts of booze, much better now
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Dec 15, 2021 01:01
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Cpt_Obvious posted:Ok, yeah, but it's a hard book. the broader point being that pretty much any book is a hard book after a day's work. doubly so if you have chores or children to take care of in addition
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Dec 15, 2021 01:37
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I think a bunch of fairly radical young people joining CPUSA en masse and pushing them left is probably more useful than choice paralysis over which boutique org that perfectly matches your politics and commitment level you should join. Like you don't have to be married to their program or anything, but recruitment numbers alone can be 6 decent propaganda.
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Dec 15, 2021 23:52
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You should only do entryism on organisations which have unique attributes which can't be replicated like structural connections to unions or international links and you're part of at least an informal network of people aiming to make a specific change to the organisation. Otherwise you're just a person joining a larger group with no support when you could be advancing your goals without having to fight an already entrenched system.
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Dec 15, 2021 23:59
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eh joining the husk of a communist party is probably not the worst thing to do so long as you do it in a reasonably clear-eyed way. realistically any radical left organisation that gets big enough to be known is going to be completely shot through with informants anyway unless they make being a member so miserable that they'll never get anywhere
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Dec 16, 2021 02:12
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I think all goons should join the Naxalites. Not because of their program or the primacy of struggle in the Global South, but because they have intense workout routines that could help you lose weight 👍
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Dec 16, 2021 02:58
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:the people who really into chanazi stuff are ridiculous goobers whose image of chinese trad stuff is from homoerotic wuxia t.v. dramas where the main characters blow on each other's flutes, which is like looking at interview with a vampire or xena: the warrior princess in the 90s and thinking that's what people in the west dress like normally uhh hmmm where can I find more of this show
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Dec 16, 2021 03:13
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I am a member of the Urban Naxalites Local 420
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Dec 16, 2021 03:44
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namesake posted:You should only do entryism on organisations which have unique attributes which can't be replicated like structural connections to unions or international links and you're part of at least an informal network of people aiming to make a specific change to the organisation. Otherwise you're just a person joining a larger group with no support when you could be advancing your goals without having to fight an already entrenched system. Well CPUSA still has formal communications with the CPC and other organizations so
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Dec 16, 2021 03:54
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VitalSigns posted:uhh hmmm BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 04:34 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 04:31
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GalacticAcid posted:I think all goons should join the Naxalites. Not because of their program or the primacy of struggle in the Global South, but because they have intense workout routines that could help you lose weight 👍 They have a reading guide too, if you want to become an enlightened buff naxalite.
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Dec 16, 2021 04:34
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namesake posted:You should only do entryism on organisations which have unique attributes which can't be replicated like structural connections to unions or international links and you're part of at least an informal network of people aiming to make a specific change to the organisation. Otherwise you're just a person joining a larger group with no support when you could be advancing your goals without having to fight an already entrenched system. organize where you are, join all the groups, share notes with people doing the same, and then the informal network will become conscious of itself, after that it’s party time 🎉
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Dec 16, 2021 06:49
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Deified Data posted:I think a bunch of fairly radical young people joining CPUSA en masse and pushing them left is probably more useful than choice paralysis over which boutique org that perfectly matches your politics and commitment level you should join. Like you don't have to be married to their program or anything, but recruitment numbers alone can be 6 decent propaganda. V. Illych L. posted:eh joining the husk of a communist party is probably not the worst thing to do so long as you do it in a reasonably clear-eyed way. realistically any radical left organisation that gets big enough to be known is going to be completely shot through with informants anyway unless they make being a member so miserable that they'll never get anywhere https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vd8w3ONjv6Y&t=2642s
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Dec 16, 2021 14:13
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namesake posted:You should only do entryism on organisations which have unique attributes which can't be replicated like structural connections to unions or international links and you're part of at least an informal network of people aiming to make a specific change to the organisation. Otherwise you're just a person joining a larger group with no support when you could be advancing your goals without having to fight an already entrenched system. the CPUSA has a lot of these things which is what has piqued my interest and consider it worth recommending considering joining i mean im a goddanmed goon im not going to succeed in making a successful org, also Centrist Committee posted:organize where you are, join all the groups, share notes with people doing the same, and then the informal network will become conscious of itself, after that it’s party time 🎉 this is the kind of thing that is happening in my area, and why joining literally anything is a good idea, is you can get in with those people which in some ways is more important than picking the perfect org or whatever. its about organization, contacts, finding comrades to do comrade things with. there's a reason why people say to join an org and not focus so exclusively on posting online all the time. hot witch divorcee has issued a correction as of 18:31 on Dec 16, 2021 |
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Dec 16, 2021 18:28
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This is very useful for helping me figure out why I dislike podcasters and streamers. They are doing good in as far as spreading knowledge of leftist ideas, but at the same time contradict those very ideas due to the very nature of the platforms they must use to do it. Ultimately they cannot do anything beyond spreading the word in an entertaining manner, and I feel that the parasocial, atomized, and monetized nature of streaming and podcasting makes it difficult for their followers to engage further in building a real leftist movement. It's good that they are helping the people learn leftist ideas but I feel that in the end most of their followers do not come to grips that this is more than just entertainment and that they shouldn't just be giving likes and money but instead looking for ways to take things further. I do wonder if anything good can eventually come from the increased awareness being spread this way, or if it will ultimately go nowhere. Edit: also hi. I have been a long time leftist but only recently started digging deeper into history and theory.
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Dec 16, 2021 19:09
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The Skeleton King posted:This is very useful for helping me figure out why I dislike podcasters and streamers. They are doing good in as far as spreading knowledge of leftist ideas, but at the same time contradict those very ideas due to the very nature of the platforms they must use to do it. Ultimately they cannot do anything beyond spreading the word in an entertaining manner, and I feel that the parasocial, atomized, and monetized nature of streaming and podcasting makes it difficult for their followers to engage further in building a real leftist movement. maybe it helps with people heading to the antiwork reddit and what not, but from my very constrained perspective i'm guessing building towards a vanguard party is really what's really necessary in the united states also same re: only recently started reading more
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Dec 16, 2021 19:14
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yelling at clouds about leftist streamers and podcasts existing won't do anything though. i would suggest instead of taking the "they should do this instead!!!  " approach, find ways to reach podcast activists and encourage them to join an org or an interactive reading group or somethingthere's a pretty big contradiction even within the last page or two of this thread of "well you can't join an org because none are perfect and they're infiltrated" and "listening to podcasts and posting is useless and not a vanguard party". like. stop getting hung the gently caress up on some perfect form of activism. there's no time for that poo poo anymore. encourage podcast bros to join orgs, if you're in an org do more and try to reach out. you're going to catch a lot more flies with honey, and scolding people for not being on your enlightened level of dialectics is just a whole fuckin vat of vinegar.
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