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TERFism is particularly complicated because in the UK in particular, which is ground zero for it, TERFs are largely feminists who were once on the cutting edge of progressivism but whose views have since fossilized and who have now found their former compatriots criticizing them. They view this battle as literally an extension of their civil rights battles of the past, because they fundamentally view the movement for trans rights as a Trojan horse ideology that has been constructed to subvert or even reverse the progress achieved by feminists. So basically a) they were the victors of the feminist struggles of yesteryear who still think of their positions with the same degree of self righteousness, and b) they’ve found themselves criticized not by their opponents on the right, but by their erstwhile allies on the left. This combines to produce a particularly strident, persistent, and loud form of bigotry.
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Vegetable posted:It’s also kinda a geographical thing. TERFs, in my impression, are a more significant and prominent group in the UK than in the US. i think its more of a solidified identity in the UK in like the public conscious or whatever but that doesn't mean those beliefs are more significant or prominent in the UK than the US.
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Snooze Cruise posted:i think its more of a solidified identity in the UK in like the public conscious or whatever but that doesn't mean those beliefs are more significant or prominent in the UK than the US. TERFism is more prominent in UK media, in that you will regularly see TERFs and their views discussed as legitimate even in “progressive” publications like the Guardian. I rarely see American news sites or journalist outlets posting the kinds of “just asking questions” pieces you see in the UK.
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MeinPanzer posted:TERFism is more prominent in UK media, in that you will regularly see TERFs and their views discussed as legitimate even in “progressive” publications like the Guardian. I rarely see American news sites or journalist outlets posting the kinds of “just asking questions” pieces you see in the UK. oh i know im just saying I do think that people in the US are probably around the same level as transphobic its just not centered around the like, a solidified identity Snooze Cruise fucked around with this message at 03:26 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Yeah, it seems like it’s primarily a difference in media coverage rather than opinion. It seems like there’s a never ending frenzy of TERF outrage in the media over in the UK. The US obviously has gargantuan amounts of transphobia, although a lot of it isn’t specifically TERFism.
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:What is it about the pathology of it that drives them to never, ever shut up about it? I feel like racists can shut it off sometimes, or won’t do it unless prompted. Domestic abuse.
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Collateral posted:Domestic abuse. ???
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He asked, the most strident are usually the victims of domestic abuse. JK Rowling has stated that she is the victim of domestic abuse. Do you not believe her?
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Eggnogium posted:What is the evidence of this? I think racist people are just racist a lot of the time. They know to keep it to themselves in public settings (or at least maintain plausible deniability) but the amount of deliberate, planned effort racists put in suggests to me it’s a firmly held belief. To be sure, this is me just spitballing. Definitely, racist people are just racist, and when it comes to harm it doesn't matter what they "really" believe. Still, I think racism often serves an instrumental purpose, and I don't think deliberate, planned effort requires belief per se if there's some incentive. Like, I remember when I was 12 or 13 and I became a little too wide-eyed at a joke a friend's uncle told me, which led to him pulling me aside later to shyly assure me that "he didn't really believe that stuff." Putting aside whether that was true or not, it typifies a type of reaction around that kind of poo poo I sadly got to experience more than once. Maybe my experience would be different if I lived farther in the south or deep in Indiana or whatever, but it's a very distinct behavior from what I hear from most terfs. Or maybe this is just me comparing how people behave in person to how they behave online and I'm totally off base. Schwarzwald fucked around with this message at 05:46 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Collateral posted:He asked, the most strident are usually the victims of domestic abuse. I didn't know anything about her personal life so it was a really confusing post.
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Graham Linehan was not abused, unless you count his many bodyings on twitter, including one from his brother-in-law (now ex-brother-in-law), which I do.
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I love this weird rear end show. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P77p8LSKvMc
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Antifa Turkeesian posted:Graham Linehan was not abused, unless you count his many bodyings on twitter, including one from his brother-in-law (now ex-brother-in-law), which I do. No, he is a world class poo poo stain.
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thrawn527 posted:The right answer. Including having trouble deciding between the two. The problem I have with people calling Die Hard a Christmas movie, is that it misses the point of what a Christmas movie should be. Sure, Die Hard is an absolute banger of a film, all time classic. And it is set at Christmas (but it was released as a summer film, as was the sequel despite also being set at Christmas), but there's no Christmas message here. For me, and maybe people want to disagree with me on this, a Christmas film has to have a feel-good heartwarming ending. It's a Wonderful Life is my fave Xmas film, because while it's dark and emotionally heartwrenching, the ending is a celebration of being alive and the value of having friends and loved ones who make existence bearable. 90 minutes of "everything loving sucks" followed by 20 minutes of "but it's all so, so worth it in spite of that". That's a goddamn Christmas movie. Die Hard... well, it's a victory for Bruce Willis at the end. All I can think of is that on Xmas Day there are going to be a lot of grieving people going to identify the shot, burned, and mutilated corpses of their loved ones. Ok, so some assholes were stopped from stealing some money, and a cop learned he's okay at shooting people again, but the only really feelgood part of the ending is that Bruce didn't die and he's made up with his wife and that's not really a trade-off for all those families going in to a morgue the next day to identify their loved ones by dental records. Again, I loving love Die Hard. But for those reasons above, it's a film I watch at any time of the year other than Xmas.
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It ends with him coming home and spending time with his family. How much more Christmas is that?
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Parkingtigers posted:For me, and maybe people want to disagree with me on this, a Christmas film has to have a feel-good heartwarming ending. It's a Wonderful Life is my fave Xmas film, because while it's dark and emotionally heartwrenching, the ending is a celebration of being alive and the value of having friends and loved ones who make existence bearable. 90 minutes of "everything loving sucks" followed by 20 minutes of "but it's all so, so worth it in spite of that". That's a goddamn Christmas movie. And how does Die Hard not deliver on this? Barry Diehard finds friendships with Powell and Argyle, and is able to save his marriage by growing as a person, and delivers a Christmas miracle by killing a shitload of Germans. It doesn't get any more Christmas as that. Also, Christmas is in the summer where I live, so suck on that.
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Parkingtigers posted:The problem I have with people calling Die Hard a Christmas movie, is that it misses the point of what a Christmas movie should be. Sure, Die Hard is an absolute banger of a film, all time classic. And it is set at Christmas (but it was released as a summer film, as was the sequel despite also being set at Christmas), but there's no Christmas message here. Christmas is not a time of year that makes me feel good, so when I see depictions on film of christmas that take the wind out of the tradition I enjoy myself.
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MeinPanzer posted:TERFism is more prominent in UK media, in that you will regularly see TERFs and their views discussed as legitimate even in “progressive” publications like the Guardian. I rarely see American news sites or journalist outlets posting the kinds of “just asking questions” pieces you see in the UK. Just to note, I don't really see that poo poo in guardian.us (which is decently readable on the whole compared to nyt/wapo), but guardian.uk is absolute trash.
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MeinPanzer posted:TERFism is more prominent in UK media, in that you will regularly see TERFs and their views discussed as legitimate even in “progressive” publications like the Guardian. I rarely see American news sites or journalist outlets posting the kinds of “just asking questions” pieces you see in the UK. I mean the Atlantic has run multiple "just asking questions" type of trans panic cover stories in the past few years that are now being used by right wing movements in the US to shape anti trans legislation, particularly targeted at trans youth. The situation isn't any better here, it's just more stratified but the overall result is the same.
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Mat Cauthon posted:I mean the Atlantic has run multiple "just asking questions" type of trans panic cover stories in the past few years that are now being used by right wing movements in the US to shape anti trans legislation, particularly targeted at trans youth. The Atlantic has been a neocon rag for going on 2+ decades now. Funny enough, The New Republic swung right so hard in the last half century that it eventually somehow wrapped back around to being maybe progressive again.
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holy poo poo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wxN1T1uxQ2g I’m ALL IN on this
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gently caress yes, I'm down for every moment of that. A24, you've done it again.
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^^^^^^^^ That looks so incredibly good. e: New Nic Cage https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8VuWhvk87o DanTheFryingPan fucked around with this message at 15:53 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:holy poo poo Oh my god this is wonderful!!
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:holy poo poo Movie of 2022 right here.
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DanTheFryingPan posted:
But hey ill prolly get high and watch it on streaming. Looks funnish. Hell of a premise tho.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:holy poo poo Best multiverse movie of 2022 Amazing
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:holy poo poo LOL, Gizmodo thought the exact same thing as me: https://gizmodo.com/enter-the-michelle-yeoh-verse-in-the-awesome-everything-1848208200 quote:Sometimes you watch a trailer and just know you are seeing something special. Like this might be the first glimpse of a film you’re likely to cherish for the rest of your life. Those instincts are not always right, but the trailer for Everything Everywhere All at Once gives off those vibes. You are not ready for its magic. We weren’t. JazzFlight fucked around with this message at 16:44 on Dec 14, 2021 |
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Why is there an actor named Amanda in the cast of this movie? I don’t know if this is the direction I want actor names to go in. Just get your fake name out of a 70s comic book and have a fake first and last name.
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It’s from the guys who did Swiss Army Man which y’all should totally watch if you haven’t.
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Schwarzwald posted:To be sure, this is me just spitballing. Definitely, racist people are just racist, and when it comes to harm it doesn't matter what they "really" believe. Still, I think racism often serves an instrumental purpose, and I don't think deliberate, planned effort requires belief per se if there's some incentive. Someone's parents legitimately believed I had blue blood as a black kid, then was astounded that it was in fact red. People are that dumb and awful
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Mat Cauthon posted:I mean the Atlantic has run multiple "just asking questions" type of trans panic cover stories in the past few years that are now being used by right wing movements in the US to shape anti trans legislation, particularly targeted at trans youth. I'm not saying the US is better on trans issues; I definitely think it isn't. But TERFism is promulgated within the UK media sphere on much greater level than in the US. Just look at this recent article published by the BBC, entitled "'We're being pressured into sex by some trans women'." https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-england-57853385 I haven't seen anything comparably vitriolic from a comparable "centrist" US media source. This also gets at another difference: in the US, popular transphobic stories focus predominantly on sports teams and bathrooms, but in the UK you also get the whole bizarre "the trans agenda is the first wave of a lesbian genocide" schtick and related angles as well. The question was why TERF mouthpieces, who are predominantly UK based, are so loud and persistent in their messaging, and the answer is at least in part that they've been given access to some pretty sizable soapboxes in the UK media that span the ideological spectrum in a way that they haven't in the US.
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Happy Noodle Boy posted:holy poo poo had to punch out mid-way because I want to go in as fresh as possible. gently caress YES
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MeinPanzer posted:I'm not saying the US is better on trans issues; I definitely think it isn't. But TERFism is promulgated within the UK media sphere on much greater level than in the US. Just look at this recent article published by the BBC, entitled "'We're being pressured into sex by some trans women'." There are a lot of poo poo stirrers who are in a feeding frenzy using genuinely traumatised/marginalised people to further/attack whatever agenda is dejure this week. Parasitic bastards. The UK media is a midden. Drama productions are mostly cool tho.
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DanTheFryingPan posted:^^^^^^^^ That looks so incredibly good. Fun fact Nic Cage passed on my brother's script about two screenwriters who kidnap Nic Cage played by Nic Cage who then ends up on their side in the chaos and then afterwards used the best moments in his script to re-write this one which rips it off. It happens all the time but it's wild. Just in case you think I'm full of poo poo they did a live read during the pandemic with a collection of fairly famous people and Nic Cage passed on the live read at the last minute.
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