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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. Paul Verhoeven, who previously made Robocop and Total Recall, definitely wanted us to emulate this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKk4Cq56d1Y
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. 
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. If you saw the scene where the recruitment officer says "joining the Rangers is what made me the man I am today" and then immediately swivelled in his chair to reveal that he was missing 3 of his limbs, and you didn't pick up it was satire, then you're dense enough that light bends around you.
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Dec 15, 2021 05:23
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"I'm joining the infantry!" "Good for you, son! Mobile infantry made me the man I am today." Recruiter shakes hand with an artificial limb, then moves chair back to reveal two amputated limbs. No wheelchair is nearby. EDIT: drat, I didn't expect to get beaten while posting about the exact same scene, given how many hits Starship Troopers swings for.
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art as vehicle for moral/ethical/political messaging is dead. may never have really been alive.
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… IF Starship Troopers was intended as satire?! Are you quoting something?? explain this right now you troglodyte
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. Yeah, satire is a real bad way to try and convey a message to a mass audience.
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satire only works if you're preaching to the choir. those ignorant to why it's satire will obviously miss the point entirely
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I can vouch for the fact that nobody living in America in 1997 was in a position to pick up what Starship Troopers was putting down. I saw it in theaters with my Dad ( I was 14 at the time) and we argued about it the entire way home because we were so confused by what we saw. "They have spaceship technology! Why were they just running in there to fight space bugs with rifles and nothing else?" "Yeah! Where were the tanks? The spaceships? The giant robots? Why were they sending their soldiers into a meat grinder like that?" "And why was Doogie Howser dressed like a Nazi?" Anyway, America invaded Afghanistan four years later...
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A whole lot of Americans watched Back to the Future and decided they needed Biff Tannen for president.
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In the DVD commentary, Verhoeven starts explaining the movie's thesis that "war turns us all into fascists", but the gravity of his explanation is undercut when the movie switches to the schoolroom dissection scene and he interrupts himself to yell "oooh a BIG GROSS BUG!!!"
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. I saw ST in 8th grade and I got the message. You're just a dummy.
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Dec 15, 2021 07:01
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to be fair we were all distracted by the titties in the co-ed shower
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Dec 15, 2021 07:03
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Note that the book is not intended as satire. Not that I think people think the movie is pro "you have to join the army to gain citizenship" because they've read the book, but the book absolutely tries to claim that that would be a good idea. Which is funny given the discussion
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Hyperlynx posted:Note that the book is not intended as satire. The main character in the book claims that. The characters in the author's other books claim that going back in time to gently caress your mom is cool and good, or that abandoning the concepts of private property and monogamy gives you telekinetic powers and this is in line with God's will. Heinlein was a weird dude.
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Well, fair enough, I can't necessarily claim that Heinlein is pro that nonsense. At the very least, it really didn't read like satire to me. Unless I'm part of the problem, I guess?
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. What the gently caress
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The main character in the book claims that. The characters in the author's other books claim that going back in time to gently caress your mom is cool and good, or that abandoning the concepts of private property and monogamy gives you telekinetic powers and this is in line with God's will. Heinlein was a weird dude.
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Blue Footed Booby posted:The main character in the book claims that. The characters in the author's other books claim that going back in time to gently caress your mom is cool and good, or that abandoning the concepts of private property and monogamy gives you telekinetic powers and this is in line with God's will. Heinlein was a weird dude. Hyperlynx posted:Well, fair enough, I can't necessarily claim that Heinlein is pro that nonsense. At the very least, it really didn't read like satire to me. Heinlein is VERY good at having a main character come across as a complete author avatar turning his face to the camera and saying THIS IS WHAT I THINK, THIS IS THE MESSAGE OF THE BOOK, and then in subsequent books having an equally blatant 'avatar' think completely incompatible things. In fairness, at least once this was because his actual views changed in between the two books, but everything he writes comes off like that.
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a lot of the time people find it difficult to distinguish between "author actually thinks this" and "author is very good at following through on characterization" i learned more slurs from Stephen King than i learned from any other source, but i don't think King is a horrible racist. he's just written horrible racists and he's not afraid to get fully into his characters' heads and follow things to their logical conclusion.
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Chloe Jessica posted:a lot of the time people find it difficult to distinguish between "author actually thinks this" and "author is very good at following through on characterization"  People join the army because of Metal Gear Solid and Apocalypse Now. Satire was never alive.
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Heinlein was a libertarian so he probably was a pervert.
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Chloe Jessica posted:i learned more slurs from Stephen King than i learned from any other source, but i don't think King is a horrible racist. he's just written horrible racists and he's not afraid to get fully into his characters' heads and follow things to their logical conclusion. he's got a lot of experience, being from Maine lotta racists up there Now, I'm from the south around the Mason-Dixon line, and there's a lotta racists down here, too Luckily, the MIDDLE of the east coast is uh North Carolina, around there? Which... aw, poo poo it's racism all the way
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People joined the marines because of Full Metal Jacket. Has anyone joined the military service because of Come and See?
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just because some posters in here were too dumb to get satire doesn't mean everything's gotta be either transformers or blood diamond
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someone, somewhere on the planet, doesn't understand the argument that "satire is complex and shouldn't ever be used because someone, somewhere on the planet might not understand it" so please don't make that argument anymore thank you
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Samovar posted:People joined the marines because of Full Metal Jacket. Has anyone joined the military service because of Come and See? 
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Post poste posted:
this isn't a point you're making. it's like saying comedy isn't alive because we aren't all dead from laughter, or documentary isn't alive because we aren't all transcendent galaxy brain beings. satire isn't political action and never was and any expectation that it would be is misplaced. it's culture, art, fun. e: and people who get fascist messages from satires of fascism were already that way before they watched the satire. it doesn't work in reverse either Deep Glove Bruno has a new favorite as of 11:07 on Dec 15, 2021 |
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boofhead posted:someone, somewhere on the planet, doesn't understand the argument that "satire is complex and shouldn't ever be used because someone, somewhere on the planet might not understand it" so please don't make that argument anymore it's fine to make satire, but it's only effective at letting the author vent and getting their allies to nod knowingly.
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My god where am I gonna have to go to see some tweets? Twitter?
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. Beartaco posted:have a fun time fighting an alien menace Beartaco posted:have a fun time
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Softface posted:Paul Verhoeven, who previously made Robocop and Total Recall, definitely wanted us to emulate this: 
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I mean, that's for sure one more child who will indeed suffer as a result of that decision.
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This review is satire 
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Splicer posted:And the comments are full of people calling the bowtie wearing pundit an sjw because he uses the word "offensive" God help me I looked at the comments. "One of the greatest unintentionally hilarious scenes ever made" I... unintentionally? loving UNINTENTIONALLY?????
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. Lol
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https://twitter.com/eddyburback/status/1470463270981095430 https://twitter.com/TheWittyGirl/status/1470571177600901121 https://twitter.com/cat_elg/status/1470821399392518146 https://twitter.com/qntm/status/1470916984628031489 https://twitter.com/lolennui/status/1470997548168974336
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A few months ago a kid came in for his athletics physical and had already filled out the healthcare provider field for height as 6’. I told him he would have to print a new one so I could write his correct height on there (5’ 9.5”). I also regularly ask people their height but then measure them anyway and it seems like the men are lying more than 50% of the time. My daughter also once had a boyfriend who said he was 6’3” and I could see straight over the top of his head.
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Beartaco posted:Starship Troopers is a movie where they prance around in literal SS uniforms, have a fun time fighting an alien menace and then ultimately save the day and become heroes. If it was intended as satire, it's bad satire and I don't blame anyone for not picking up on it, unlike Fight Club. If someone thinks it's propaganda they must think it shows that society in a positive light and that's really all you need to know about that person.
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Flint_Paper posted:God help me I looked at the comments.
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