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the point of theory, organization, and podcasts alike, is as grist for me to explore and express my precise positions and identities without needing to make the smallest compromise. all this politicking...joining large organizations full of people i'd have to convince, and risk being convinced by, all while building structures that bind us together to the results of our decision making process, and actually making those decisions, those endless determinations of what we collectively think, are capable of, and intend to do...it's nothing but compromise! it's nothing but falling short of my ideals, over and over, down into the muck of material! that's why i join nothing, and remain as pure and enlightened as a stylite, although some fellow travelers and i have been writing an anonymous journal about how truly principled leftists should remain hostile to all attempts to take state power, especially successful ones. also i've taken up gardening and making electronic music.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:24
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*sly stallone voice* that's praxis baybee
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Dec 16, 2021 20:40
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My point about entryism was that it's only worthwhile if there's a specific, valuable prize to win in the organisation you're entering and it'll only work if you have the resources to actually start making changes within it. If you already have those resources but are entering groups for no clear strategic benefit then just.... form your own group? If you're just looking for lefties to do things with because you don't have that resource base then yeah go and join whatever.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:46
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namesake posted:My point about entryism was that it's only worthwhile if there's a specific, valuable prize to win in the organisation you're entering and it'll only work if you have the resources to actually start making changes within it. If you already have those resources but are entering groups for no clear strategic benefit then just.... form your own group? If you're just looking for lefties to do things with because you don't have that resource base then yeah go and join whatever. there's a whole lot of people in the CPUSA chomping at the bit to reform the party for a new era. it is worth checking it out.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:48
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Doc Hawkins posted:the point of theory, organization, and podcasts alike, is as grist for me to explore and express my precise positions and identities without needing to make the smallest compromise. the dsa can gently caress off
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Dec 16, 2021 20:50
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why cant you build a trans-group network of like-minded people while remaining a members of particular groups possible to reform in the future? cooperative networks that transcend such tribal identities are the ones that will unite those groups as the movement grows into a popular one
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Dec 16, 2021 21:20
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You don't form the one big communist party by seeding all the left groups with people who then co-ordinate stuff together on the sly. The groups that have a politics and practice that is based in the working class grow in strength and start pulling other groups into their orbit. It can be done completely comradely but it's a result of actual practice and power that groups combine, not internal politics. The Western left groups are often just sects because their practice isn't actually very good so they all just exist in their own circles rather than actually getting onto the path to be a challenge to the state.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:42
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lollontee posted:why cant you build a trans-group network of like-minded people while remaining a members of particular groups possible to reform in the future? cooperative networks that transcend such tribal identities are the ones that will unite those groups as the movement grows into a popular one Sure, but also Raskolnikov38 posted:the dsa can gently caress off
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Dec 16, 2021 21:44
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Power comes from the cord of a blue yeti
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Dec 16, 2021 21:44
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namesake posted:The Western left groups are often just sects because their practice isn't actually very good so they all just exist in their own circles rather than actually getting onto the path to be a challenge to the state. thats very much true, but all this just sounds like yet another problem the last international association ought to be able solve. if only someone still retained the red standard of legitimacy.... all these disperate cults of ideology *sniff* could yet be united into a singular movement
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Dec 16, 2021 21:52
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I think a bunch of fairly radical young people joining The Democrats en masse and pushing them left is probably more useful than choice paralysis over which boutique org that perfectly matches your politics and commitment level you should join. Like you don't have to be married to their program or anything, but recruitment numbers alone can be 6 decent propaganda.
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Dec 16, 2021 23:38
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croup coughfield posted:I think a bunch of fairly radical young people joining The Republicans en masse and pushing them left is probably more useful than choice paralysis over which boutique org that perfectly matches your politics and commitment level you should join. Like you don't have to be married to their program or anything, but recruitment numbers alone can be 6 decent propaganda.
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Dec 16, 2021 23:43
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you're right i should do that too. always pushing left!
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Dec 16, 2021 23:44
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every agent is useful, every agent can do his part
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Dec 16, 2021 23:47
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fUspLVStPbk
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Dec 16, 2021 23:48
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Doc Hawkins posted:also i've taken up gardening and making electronic music. quit reading through my post history. it's kind of creepy
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Dec 17, 2021 00:21
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BrutalistMcDonalds posted:i think it's a good idea just on the basis of what vijay prashad said here: Is there anybody more charismatic, intelligent, and in touch with communism that Vijay? If someone is going to lead an international movement, he should be it.
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Dec 17, 2021 01:02
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lollontee posted:why cant you build a trans-group network of like-minded people while remaining a members of particular groups possible to reform in the future? cooperative networks that transcend such tribal identities are the ones that will unite those groups as the movement grows into a popular one historically speaking in america at least attempts to unite disparate groups of people outside the normal political process have ended with the organizers getting a bullet in the brain from some alphabet agency motherfuckers. not to say it isn't still worth trying as the empire falls apart, but the risks come with the territory
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Dec 17, 2021 14:06
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I personally am not particularity worried that state forces will assassinate goons for their deft formation of a unified left front
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Dec 17, 2021 16:33
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You know I'd have never thought about it at the time, but it just hit me that this is Brits making fun of Catholics for breeding themselves into poverty, not that long after genociding the neighboring Catholics.
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Dec 17, 2021 17:01
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Yes its much lauded liberal humour.
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Dec 17, 2021 17:06
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genericnick posted:You know I'd have never thought about it at the time, but it just hit me that this is Brits making fun of Catholics for breeding themselves into poverty, not that long after genociding the neighboring Catholics. While this is true, coming from a Catholic background I appreciated someone taking down the church's psychotic sexual ethics down a peg While the British are responsible for most of the bad things that have happened in the past few centuries the derangement of the Catholic church cannot be overstated
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Dec 17, 2021 18:42
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jeez, you guys need some fresher genocides for feeling aggrieved about
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Dec 17, 2021 19:04
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lollontee posted:jeez, you guys need some fresher genocides for feeling aggrieved about boy have I got some good news for you about fresh genocides
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Dec 17, 2021 19:09
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lollontee posted:jeez, you guys need some fresher genocides for feeling aggrieved about The Brits have been off their game since the fifties or so
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Dec 17, 2021 20:59
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what ive spent my Friday night watching https://www.c-span.org/video/?13176-1/fighting-peace quote:MAY 17, 1990
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Dec 18, 2021 09:16
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lollontee posted:jeez, you guys need some fresher genocides for feeling aggrieved about 800 years buddy
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Dec 18, 2021 19:17
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Kindest Forums User posted:Is there anybody more charismatic, intelligent, and in touch with communism that Vijay? If someone is going to lead an international movement, he should be it. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nnm19i0PMig
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Dec 19, 2021 11:32
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Kindest Forums User posted:Is there anybody more charismatic, intelligent, and in touch with communism that Vijay? If someone is going to lead an international movement, he should be it. Me
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Dec 19, 2021 11:43
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yeah dude grew up reading tolstoy and poo poo while I poisoned my brain with secondhand SA memes
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Dec 19, 2021 17:42
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quote:XI ftw https://www.sfu.ca/~andrewf/CONCEPT2.html exmarx has issued a correction as of 09:27 on Dec 20, 2021 |
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Dec 20, 2021 09:24
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https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/reconstruction-revisionism/quote:It is no coincidence that the two most prominent Reconstruction revisionists, Du Bois and Eric Foner, are both Marxists. Du Bois died a Stalinist and appointed prominent communist historian Herbert Aptheker as his literary executor. Foner is a longtime Soviet sympathizer whose father and uncles were CPUSA members. In 1990, he encouraged Mikhail Gorbachev, faced with upstart secessionists in the Baltics, to imitate Abraham Lincoln’s example and preserve his union. what the gently caress Gorby why didn't you do it! come on, man!
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Dec 20, 2021 10:53
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thinking about forming an interpretive dance troupe https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nyBlmb89VMs
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Dec 20, 2021 12:13
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/reconstruction-revisionism/ By 1990 USSR was unsalvageable. War on top of collapsing economy would have just made Yeltsin even more popular.
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Dec 20, 2021 19:12
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gradenko_2000 posted:https://www.theamericanconservative.com/articles/reconstruction-revisionism/ That article is great because it was Civil War history that convinced me there was something to Marxist analysis in the first place
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Dec 20, 2021 19:45
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Fish of hemp posted:By 1990 USSR was unsalvageable. War on top of collapsing economy would have just made Yeltsin even more popular. Was Yeltsin ever popular?
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Dec 20, 2021 19:46
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genericnick posted:Was Yeltsin ever popular? In the 1991 election for president of the RSFSR, with 75% turnout Yeltsin got 59% of the vote as an independent and blew out the second-place CPSU candidate by 42 points.
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Dec 20, 2021 20:32
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Dec 20, 2021 23:26
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the immortal science is continually improving Lenin’s bod those guns don’t miss
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vyelkin posted:In the 1991 election for president of the RSFSR, with 75% turnout Yeltsin got 59% of the vote as an independent and blew out the second-place CPSU candidate by 42 points. Yeah the people supporting him had lots of experience running and winning free market elections by then I agree
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