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ManSedan posted:I never liked how easily warships in most Gundam shows explode when even slightly brushed by any kind of beam.  It works in some circumstances (Amuro going full Newtype late in MSG being a good one to me) but it’s kinda  now. Even more so for the OYW where it seems now every Zeon ace seemingly has to slag a half dozen Salamis every other time they’re on screen.
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I wouldn't even say it works for Amuro to be honest, because being a Newtype doesn't make your gun any more powerful; it just makes you more accurate. If Amuro can destroy a ship with a single hit, then so can anyone. It might require more luck on the part of others, but it's still perfectly reasonable if you excuse it for Amuro. It could be worse though, since in the original 52 episode plan, Amuro was going to single handedly destroy the colony laser after Gihren fired it a second time to devastate the Federation fleet. So if that show had gotten made, we could have a situation where Gato is showing off not by blowing up warships, but by blowing up asteroid bases without much trouble.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:53
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I did like in Thunderbolt when they laid out exactly what happens when a fleet of ships releases a full broadside on a target.
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Dec 16, 2021 20:57
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Anyone can destroy a ship in a single hit. It's lining up your shot to strike a vital component without getting blown to bits by their point defences (or, for that matter, their main guns) that's the tricky bit. Honestly, ships primarily being transports and long-ranged artillery seems fine to me. So they're vulnerable to mobile suits at close quarters - so what? A main battle tank can rampage through an artillery battery, but that doesn't make artillery obsolete, it just means you shouldn't let main battle tanks near it.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:09
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I like how Iron-Blooded Orphans made the ships nice and tanky.
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Dec 16, 2021 21:49
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Ships are lame in everything except IBO and IBO also made them beefy so it's fine
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Dec 16, 2021 22:01
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Arc Hammer posted:I did like in Thunderbolt when they laid out exactly what happens when a fleet of ships releases a full broadside on a target. The few times that CCA and F91 where they show the AA fire from Ra Cailum’s and Clop’s holding back or just ruining some MS are cool. The one little scene in F91 where a Clop just pops over the side of a colony and instantly wipes out a Crossbone team with AA fire is one of my favorite parts in the movie.
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Dec 16, 2021 22:12
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I'm a sucker for starships ramming each other because it's the most ludicrous method of combat imaginable for space and its loving awesome every time it happens. Eugene throwing the Isaribi around like he's an Ork playing Battlefleet Gothic is sweet.
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Dec 16, 2021 22:13
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Chan killing what was supposedly an ace with a ship gun
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fartknocker posted:
Zeon aces can shoot down little a Salamis, as a treat.
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Lock Knight posted:I like how Iron-Blooded Orphans made the ships nice and tanky. Even ships that got destroyed were usually intact enough for recovery to be an option. (A useful one, too, considering how valuable the Ahab reactors are.) One scene I like in The Origin is Ryu complaining about how people say Char sank five battleships at Loum when it was really just one battleship, three cruisers, and a carrier. (And he should know. He was there.)
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Lock Knight posted:I like how Iron-Blooded Orphans made the ships nice and tanky. Even then Mike could just get up in and smash the bridge.
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ImpAtom posted:Even then Mike could just get up in and smash the bridge. That's because Mike always goes in with a plan. Mikazuki, meanwhile, had wiped out the fighter screen and Jaisley's ship had a permanently deployed bridge, unlike the retractable versions you see on Gjallarhorn's halfbeaks, making it a relatively soft target, by PD standards. Similarly, the ship McGillis dropped with Bael hadn't managed to get around to switching to combat mode before its bridge crew got vented. (On rewatching, it seems like most of that ship's crew survived, as did one of the Reginlaze pilots who got into a fight with McGillis. He definitely doesn't seem as thorough as Mika tends to be.)
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chiasaur11 posted:Even ships that got destroyed were usually intact enough for recovery to be an option. (A useful one, too, considering how valuable the Ahab reactors are.) in the ova's it's five magellans
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It took them until sometime between F91 and Victory to actually equip their spaceships with appropriately sized beams shields, and then it wasn’t until the end of Victory that they figured out how to use them as giant spear points.
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Lock Knight posted:I like how Iron-Blooded Orphans made the ships nice and tanky. I also like how their tankiness justifies the ubiquity of mobile suits in space combat. Nanolaminate armour means you can't rely on attack craft with guns and bombs to take out enemy ships - you need something to land on them and smash them repeatedly with a giant rocket-propelled hammer until something important breaks.
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Darth Walrus posted:I also like how their tankiness justifies the ubiquity of mobile suits in space combat. Nanolaminate armour means you can't rely on attack craft with guns and bombs to take out enemy ships - you need something to land on them and smash them repeatedly with a giant rocket-propelled hammer until something important breaks. Or a boarding party, like Shino's marines.
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Dec 17, 2021 01:59
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I mean the real solution to that problem is kinetic penetrators, but some assholes decided to go and hoard them all to themselves
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Gaius Marius posted:I mean the real solution to that problem is kinetic penetrators, but some assholes decided to go and hoard them all to themselves Depends on your budget. It took a lot of those to stop a civilian armored assault ship, and it still managed to kill an enemy battleship in exchange. Meanwhile, a boarding party took the same ship with no losses.
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You know I got to thinking, if the nano laminate is like paint, and they can manage to get it off, whats stopping them from designing a gundam sized paintball gun filled with paint stripper and just blasting the armor off.
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Gaius Marius posted:You know I got to thinking, if the nano laminate is like paint, and they can manage to get it off, whats stopping them from designing a gundam sized paintball gun filled with paint stripper and just blasting the armor off. I mean, we only know 12 of the 72 Gundam Frames and IBO already has a theme of using giant hardware tools, there's an honest chance that maybe that was what the Gundam Bifrons is set up to do something.
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Gaius Marius posted:You know I got to thinking, if the nano laminate is like paint, and they can manage to get it off, whats stopping them from designing a gundam sized paintball gun filled with paint stripper and just blasting the armor off. That's basically what anti-ship napalm torpedoes are all about. They stick to the nanolaminate coating until it overloads and burns away.
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Argas posted:One of my favorite V Gundam design quirks is that they have hardpoints in the arms and legs and can just straight up bolt their standard beam rifle to it and operate it wirelessly. Obviously a hand holding a gun lets them aim without having to orient more chunks of the MS at the same time but when your side can replace those pants you kamikazed into the enemy, they can also just bolt guns to everything. Stuff like that is why the MG kit for the V-Dash Gundam ended up being my first MG kit(still need to build it though) Omnicrom posted:I mean, we only know 12 of the 72 Gundam Frames and IBO already has a theme of using giant hardware tools, there's an honest chance that maybe that was what the Gundam Bifrons is set up to do something. Like I've said before I'm still just plain amazed about that, just seems odd(and indeed even stupid if we're being brutally honest) to have that kind of setting detail and left it mostly unknown
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They haven't done much with IBO at all since the show ended. It's had one manga side story, and that's kind of it. The game will presumably come out at some point, but it doesn't appear to be a high priority for Banrise. No compilation movie(s), no sequel announcement etc. They even appear to have moved on to new pastures, presuming that The Witch of Mercury isn't an IBO sequel. It gives the impression that it wasn't the kind of runaway success they want or something.
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Darth Walrus posted:That's basically what anti-ship napalm torpedoes are all about. They stick to the nanolaminate coating until it overloads and burns away. In function maybe, but like chemically there has to be a way to strip off the old paint right? So why not use it? tsob posted:They haven't done much with IBO at all since the show ended. It's had one manga side story, and that's kind of it. The game will presumably come out at some point, but it doesn't appear to be a high priority for Banrise. No compilation movie(s), no sequel announcement etc. They even appear to have moved on to new pastures, presuming that The Witch of Mercury isn't an IBO sequel. It gives the impression that it wasn't the kind of runaway success they want or something. I don't really feel that they intended for it to be a runaway hit, not in the way they tried to make SEED a new UC at least
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tsob posted:They haven't done much with IBO at all since the show ended. It's had one manga side story, and that's kind of it. The game will presumably come out at some point, but it doesn't appear to be a high priority for Banrise. No compilation movie(s), no sequel announcement etc. They even appear to have moved on to new pastures, presuming that The Witch of Mercury isn't an IBO sequel. It gives the impression that it wasn't the kind of runaway success they want or something. They actually announced a compilation this coming spring, to come out alongside the game. Nine parts, airing on TV. Can't find the runtimes, so it's hard to compare with the SEED and UC movies directly, but Bandai's carving out a spot for it in the schedule. Looking at DVD sales, TV ratings, Gunpla sales, and investor statements, it seems like IBO at minimum met expectations, which explains why they've been running a 4koma on the site for years now, releasing high end action figures, and did a big anniversary event last year.
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tsob posted:They haven't done much with IBO at all since the show ended. It's had one manga side story, and that's kind of it. The game will presumably come out at some point, but it doesn't appear to be a high priority for Banrise. No compilation movie(s), no sequel announcement etc. They even appear to have moved on to new pastures, presuming that The Witch of Mercury isn't an IBO sequel. It gives the impression that it wasn't the kind of runaway success they want or something. It's getting a compilation version next year to promote some mobile app, but IBO did not do well in Japan
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Sorry sweeties /m/ told me it flopped
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chiasaur11 posted:They actually announced a compilation this coming spring, to come out alongside the game. Nine parts, airing on TV. Can't find the runtimes, so it's hard to compare with the SEED and UC movies directly, but Bandai's carving out a spot for it in the schedule. There's an IBO 4koma? That's interesting. I've never seen anything of it. What was the anniversary event for it? What was even the anniversary? 5 years, I assume. That seems like kind of a weird anniversary to celebrate.
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It would be shocking if IBO didn't get compellation movies. loving AGE got them.
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Gaius Marius posted:They're fine except when they do them bad I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything good about any of them beyond the 0079 compilation movies, outside "there's some nice animation". They almost always end up not having enough runtime to cover the series, and having to compress events to the point of nonsense.
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Seemlar posted:It's getting a compilation version next year to promote some mobile app, but IBO did not do well in Japan Highest ratings of any seasonal when was airing, about 10,400 sales per volume average for the DVDs, and Bandai spoke positively on the model sales in investor reports, with regular reprints for the Gundams. The ending was controversial, but the show did quite well overall. tsob posted:There's an IBO 4koma? That's interesting. I've never seen anything of it. What was the anniversary event for it? What was even the anniversary? 5 years, I assume. That seems like kind of a weird anniversary to celebrate. Five years from the start, yeah. It doesn't seem to have been archived anywhere, let alone translated, but they got some of the VAs together, in person or on the phone, talked about the show, played some of the music, and made a cake. As for the 4-komas, technically there are two. Been going since the game was announced as part of the initial app plan.
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ImpAtom posted:It would be shocking if IBO didn't get compellation movies. loving AGE got them. Well, one anyway.
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tsob posted:I don't think I've ever heard anyone say anything good about any of them beyond the 0079 compilation movies, outside "there's some nice animation". They almost always end up not having enough runtime to cover the series, and having to compress events to the point of nonsense. DYRL has absolutely beautiful animation and soundtrack, and the Plus movie is alright. In retrospect, perhaps the MSG trilogy is the only good ones though
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Gaius Marius posted:DYRL has absolutely beautiful animation and soundtrack, and the Plus movie is alright. In retrospect, perhaps the MSG trilogy is the only good ones though I mean, I was speaking specifically about Gundam ones, but sure. I'm also not sure I'd classify DYRL as a compilation movie anyway, given that it changes so much and has almost entirely new animation.
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chiasaur11 posted:Highest ratings of any seasonal when was airing, about 10,400 sales per volume average for the DVDs, and Bandai spoke positively on the model sales in investor reports, with regular reprints for the Gundams. The ending was controversial, but the show did quite well overall. People phrase it as "highest of any seasonal when airing" because that sounds flattering, both seasons rated worse than AGE's lowest rating cour, and the 10k number is season 1 physical media and inflated by a low cost volume 1 release. G-Reco did better in that regard. The nicest thing to say about it is that it's physical media and model numbers did enough, where AGE's didn't. It's why we've had the longest gap between Gundam tv series since the 90's.
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tsob posted:I mean, I was speaking specifically about Gundam ones, but sure. I'm also not sure I'd classify DYRL as a compilation movie anyway, given that it changes so much and has almost entirely new animation. Yeah It's kinda iffy, I searched my mind palace for good gundam comp's and could only find MSG so I resorted to Macross. At least the frontier movies are mostly good, even if they have some problems
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