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Mailer posted:They're one step ahead of that. The true believers started hedging their bets like 3-4 years ago with talk about how they were "just happy to be part of this ambitious project". Actually, we don't have to imagine it: 
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Mailer posted:Though NFTs did give us the "right-clicker" pejorative, which always makes me giggle, so at least that's on positive. I am happy I avoid all NFT crap, but this is great 
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commando in tophat posted:I am happy I avoid all NFT crap, but this is great Another positive is the stream of fantastic crypto/NFT stories out there at the moment, for example: https://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/2021/12/16/daryl-morey-crypto-nfts-english-soccer/ I mean, the sub-header should just read "WE WANT TO FIND A WAY TO SCAM CASH OUT OF IDIOTS AND LAUNDER MONEY, A LOWER-LEAGUE ENGLISH FOOTBALL CLUB LOOKS IDEAL" It does make me wonder whether these hipster crypto bros have ever been to the delightful town of Bradford though (the club they're being coy about is Bradford City AFC aka The Bantams).
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Mirificus posted:Lots of games, in fact almost all large-scale/AAA/Open World games, take 10+ years to develop. The fact that CIG/RSI started from absolutely nothing, and has allowed the people to be a part of the process and even play the early game; is pretty amazing TBH. No other studio does this. They take their 10+ years and keep you in the dark, then they generally release a shoddy, half-assed product that everyone complains about, anyway. You're killing me Miri. I know it shouldn't, but it gets frustrating to read these guys just stating complete lies as fact. A quick google of longest development times or development hell will get you a few games over the 10 year mark, and it always includes DNF. The number of games at the 10+ year mark is almost certainly less than 10. If you restrict it to released "AAA" games it's probably less than 5. This should be pretty easy to reason about for anyone who's not an idiot because it takes extraordinary circumstances for anyone to fund a game for 10 years. Mirificus posted:I would personally wait - CIG just decided to force Tencent-epic Malware onto peoples computer. I love that I know exactly know who this is because there's only one weirdo who calls them Tencent-epic and is extremely concerned about their chinese malware and is definitely not racist.
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Bootcha posted:Ladies and Gentlemen... lol. lmao. We're gonna get a good old school CIG style press release out of this one I think monkeytek posted:Can we all just band together on this and create a game dev company called Nerd Fleecing Technologies? I nominate Beet as our erstwhile and lovable CEO. no loving way, I've seen how mean you guys are to poor defenseless CEOs Beet Wagon fucked around with this message at 15:21 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Dec 17, 2021 15:08
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Mailer posted:Though NFTs did give us the "right-clicker" pejorative, which always makes me giggle, so at least that's on positive. I think I can probably guess what this means, but for the sake of my curiosity, can you please explain?
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Dec 17, 2021 15:35
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Time_pants posted:I think I can probably guess what this means, but for the sake of my curiosity, can you please explain? These idiots have bought a Unique work of art, online - and are being abused by thieves right-clicking and saving-as on their Unique piece of art that they totally own
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Dec 17, 2021 15:39
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Time_pants posted:I think I can probably guess what this means, but for the sake of my curiosity, can you please explain? you know how NFTs are supposed to be used to buy art? well, you can literally just right click the image and save it. this triggers some NFTbros pretty hard. NFTs are actually just "proof" of "ownership" of an image, but the image itself is linked to in the blockchain and anyone can access it (and save it). that also means that the "art" you "bought" can go offline at any moment because it's just a regular website someone's hosting NFTs are loving stupid
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Dec 17, 2021 15:40
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Pffft, wait until they discover you can also PrtScr that poo poo.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:19
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Very advanced criminals can take a polaroid of the screen to steal them arts without leaving any digital trace!
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Dec 17, 2021 16:21
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marumaru posted:you know how NFTs are supposed to be used to buy art? well, you can literally just right click the image and save it. this triggers some NFTbros pretty hard. This encapsulates why this poo poo shouldn't work, but could. It's based entirely around psychology. Some people will care if they are the "original" owner. Those people need to convince as many other people as possible to care as well. If nobody gives a poo poo, then NFTs may as well not exist. If everyone in the world cared deeply, then the concept becomes entrenched and suddenly it matters. So the big game now is to deluge the general population with the concept to reel in as many suckers as possible to reach that unknown critical mass which will make it profitable. Which is why at the moment the bullshit talk around NFTs is everywhere - make sure people think they're missing out on the next big thing. Not because it is, but because you need a certain number of people to believe it for it to financially congeal. It's basically the Tinkerbell of the current age.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:24
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marumaru posted:you know how NFTs are supposed to be used to buy art? This is the biggest lie of all and unfortunately I know some artists who believe this
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Dec 17, 2021 16:38
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Star Atlas web browser game t0 released yesterday and it sure is a thing... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pIcZ2buPxG4 The "game" is you buy consumable resources and then send your ships on missions that generate Atlas coins. You don't actually do anything, just purchase resources and then add them to a ship.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:42
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Every person who sells an nft is a genius, every person who buys an nft is a moron. It's a big game of hot potato unless it perpetuates forever
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Dec 17, 2021 16:50
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"Expanding my NFT gaming portfolio" is my current favourite dumb internet phrase.
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Dec 17, 2021 16:52
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Scruffpuff posted:This encapsulates why this poo poo shouldn't work, but could. It's based entirely around psychology. Some people will care if they are the "original" owner. Those people need to convince as many other people as possible to care as well. If nobody gives a poo poo, then NFTs may as well not exist. If everyone in the world cared deeply, then the concept becomes entrenched and suddenly it matters. So the big game now is to deluge the general population with the concept to reel in as many suckers as possible to reach that unknown critical mass which will make it profitable. Which is why at the moment the bullshit talk around NFTs is everywhere - make sure people think they're missing out on the next big thing. Not because it is, but because you need a certain number of people to believe it for it to financially congeal. Yeah this is what a lot of people legitimately excited about crypto don't get. They're convinced it's the "next big thing" but by buying into the hype they're just filling the grifter's pockets. It's also why you should never have FOMO about crypto - like, I've been following and laughing at Bitcoin for a long time now, and it occurred to me - if I had bought like $100 of it when it was worth pennies, I'd be rich now. But then I'd also have to be psychic and know how much it would raise, and it's much more likely I would have also made other bad investments or cashed out much, much earlier thinking the ceiling had come. And if I HAD actually made money, well, I'd probably just be another grifter. So I think I'm much happier having never even created a wallet ever. Anyway the ship has sailed as far as getting rich on crypto goes. Unless you're literally scamming people by being the one behind a rugpull, have an army of bots, or are EXCEPTIONALLY lucky (and you're not), if you haven't already made money on crypto, you're likely not going to. And getting rich is the ONLY use case for all crypto, so far. Rotten Red Rod fucked around with this message at 16:56 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Dec 17, 2021 16:53
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Dec 17, 2021 16:58
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marumaru posted:you know how NFTs are supposed to be used to buy art? well, you can literally just right click the image and save it. this triggers some NFTbros pretty hard. …also, there's nothing stopping anyone from from “proving” that “ownership” two, three, four million times to different people. Since the underlying asset never goes anywhere, it's not like they'll ever notice that someone else used their “ownership” of the thing the first guy “owns” to cart it away.
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Tippis posted:…also, there's nothing stopping anyone from from “proving” that “ownership” two, three, four million times to different people. Since the underlying asset never goes anywhere, it's not like they'll ever notice that someone else used their “ownership” of the thing the first guy “owns” to cart it away. I haven't heard of this actually happening, but unless the "owner" of the asset makes an attempt to enforce the ownership by paying a lawyer to c&d or actually sue the 'right-clickers' then the right clickers can claim abandonment. If they do sue, then the "owner" gets to try and make the case to prove what actual damages the right-clicker has caused. I'm sure the lawyers love the prospect, but its pretty dumb otherwise.
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Golli posted:I haven't heard of this actually happening, but unless the "owner" of the asset makes an attempt to enforce the ownership by paying a lawyer to c&d or actually sue the 'right-clickers' then the right clickers can claim abandonment. If they do sue, then the "owner" gets to try and make the case to prove what actual damages the right-clicker has caused. I'm sure the lawyers love the prospect, but its pretty dumb otherwise. If the 'owner' doesn't get the copyright to the image alongside the NFT then I wouldn't think they have the grounds for any redress. Ownership of an NFT != ownership of the image. And theres no alt code for not equals :/ Fantastic Foreskin fucked around with this message at 17:39 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Popete posted:Star Atlas web browser game t0 released yesterday and it sure is a thing... Lethality is going to be absolutely over the moon. This is a game he can play without having to play it. That will fit real well with his busy schedule and little play time. Checkmate fudsters!
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marumaru posted:you know how NFTs are supposed to be used to buy art? well, you can literally just right click the image and save it. this triggers some NFTbros pretty hard. YOU WOULDN'T DOWNLOAD AN IMAGE, WOULD YOU?
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Golli posted:I haven't heard of this actually happening, but unless the "owner" of the asset makes an attempt to enforce the ownership by paying a lawyer to c&d or actually sue the 'right-clickers' then the right clickers can claim abandonment. If they do sue, then the "owner" gets to try and make the case to prove what actual damages the right-clicker has caused. I'm sure the lawyers love the prospect, but its pretty dumb otherwise. Fantastic Foreskin posted:If the 'owner' doesn't get the copyright to the image alongside the NFT then I wouldn't think they have the grounds for any redress. Ownership of an NFT != ownership of the image. Yeah, this isn't even about the nasty ebil right-clickers — it's about the (in)ability to enforce said ownership, and how the enterprising host can trivially round up any number of suckers re-sell the same thing over and over again to them, and they'd all have the same problem of of actually making a case that it's specifically theirs and not someone else's. If he's particularly kind, he might actually provide different URIs for that one asset — everyone gets their own alphanumeric string, and so what if they all point to the same .bmp? 
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trucutru posted:Pffft, wait until they discover you can also PrtScr that poo poo. these days a lot of streaming services blank out their screens if you try to take a screenshot. Super irritating, usually have to download some kind of sandbox environment to load a browser or video in to be able to take a drat screenshot. Who are they doing that for? Nobody is stealing a movie through screen capture, if I wanted to watch the content for free, I obviously always could elsewhere -- and they'd let me take screenshots.
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Tippis posted:…also, there's nothing stopping anyone from from “proving” that “ownership” two, three, four million times to different people. Since the underlying asset never goes anywhere, it's not like they'll ever notice that someone else used their “ownership” of the thing the first guy “owns” to cart it away. Just trying to understand this - let's say someone wants to certify ownership of a digital asset by an NFT. I get that the NFT (e.g. a coin on the Ethereum chain) is unique and identifiable. But what would prevent a third party of issueing more NFTs certifying ownership to the same digital asset? I mean, my understanding of the idea of a blockchain is that it's a distributed database without a central authority. How do you link the NFT and the digital asset without a clearing authority or a central counterparty? Does the digital asset itself contain a reference to the NFT? f;e just looked that up myself. The NFT and the digital asset are linked by the platform that sells it, i.e. a central, unprotected register. Is that right? That would be extremely dumb.
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Khanstant posted:these days a lot of streaming services blank out their screens if you try to take a screenshot. Super irritating, usually have to download some kind of sandbox environment to load a browser or video in to be able to take a drat screenshot. Who are they doing that for? Nobody is stealing a movie through screen capture, if I wanted to watch the content for free, I obviously always could elsewhere -- and they'd let me take screenshots. That's just the nature of DRM in general. It only ever hinders legitimate owners and straight users from using the thing they own or otherwise legally access. Blackstone posted:f;e just looked that up myself. The NFT and the digital asset are linked by the platform that sells it, i.e. a central, unprotected register. Is that right? That would be extremely dumb. Welcome to the blockchain. It has its uses for when there is a single, agreed-upon common ledger that everyone hooks into and/or when you want a very clear chain of trust. Then you get the benefit of the decentralised verification and authorisation trust mechanism, but if it's about gaining access to something you “own”, that still requires that there is a central authority that actually checks the access against the ledger. It's the transaction record that is decentralised, not the access itself. If it's just “something stored somewhere, anywhere”, then anyone can just invent their own chain and create an “ownership” ledger, with no clear way of keeping people out. Tippis fucked around with this message at 18:19 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Blackstone posted:Just trying to understand this - let's say someone wants to certify ownership of a digital asset by an NFT. I get that the NFT (e.g. a coin on the Ethereum chain) is unique and identifiable. But what would prevent a third party of issueing more NFTs certifying ownership to the same digital asset? That's right. It's dumb. It's extremely loving dumb. If you buy an NFT, all that you've bought is the NON FUNGIBLE TOKEN. You have not bought ANYTHING ELSE. You have not bought art, any kind of stake in anything, ownership rights to anything. End of. It is D U M B
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:I suspect you could make the NFT a 'bearer bond' for the copyright somehow, but a. I have no idea how (or if) this could be accomplished legally, and b. no NFT sellers is going to be arsed. You can't by design. The loving creator of NFT (who coded this over a weekend Hackathon) said "the way you're using NFT is wrong, you cannot claim ownership of anything with it". The only thing you own is your own receipt for buying the thing. That's it. The thing you bought is a completely separate from the purchase. Plus a lot of people do this wrong, by accident or on purpose, and don't even put the thing you buy on the Blockchain (which is why the environmental impact of NFTs is kinda overstated, but it's still significant), but a link/URL to the thing you bought, making you the owner of a proof of purchase for a string of letters and numbers, not the thing they show when a browser interpretes it. D U M B
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:I suspect you could make the NFT a 'bearer bond' for the copyright somehow, but a. I have no idea how (or if) this could be accomplished legally, and b. no NFT sellers is going to be arsed. That is exactly the reason why I asked. If you need a clearer or central counterparty, there’s no added value to the NFT concept over classical securitization.
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Blackstone posted:That is exactly the reason why I asked. If you need a clearer or central counterparty, there’s no added value to the NFT concept over classical securitization. In traditional methods you have to give up something to make a sale. With an NFT you don't have to convey anything. Value to the buyer? No, none of that.
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