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enki42 posted:Today my hospital changed policies apparently and wearing a surgical mask over a N95 is no longer acceptable, you have to remove whatever mask you're wearing first. Awesome plan for a room full of recent transplant patients on loads of immunosuppression and waiting for bloodwork. When my wife and I went for our boosters to an NHS clinic we wore N95s, and they wouldn't allow us in until we'd removed them and replaced with their surgical masks instead. I guess the only good reason is that that way they can be sure that everyone is at least wearing a known standard of protection, and it's possible that people could have bought low-quality knock-off fake N95s without realising. Still, it was annoying to have to dump a brand-new N95 for a flimsy blue paper one.
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Wait, does this imply that 6-24 months might be approved earlier than 2-5 years? Because it says that the younger group created sufficient anti-bodies. Just wondering because my current biggest fear is for my 6 month old that of course cannot be vaccinated. It's gonna suck if that gets delayed even longer because the older group didn't generate enough antibodies at that does when the younger one did.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:His main problem is that he screams and panics about everything so eventually everything is #BREAKING #DOOMFOREVER and becomes white noise A few things to notice - he only pastes the scary part and only provides a link to the live blog meaning you have to scroll a fair bit to notice it, and doesn't link to the actual research at all. He very much doesn't want anyone looking beyond that headline. FWIW the rest of the article is slightly less scary: quote:The Omicron coronavirus variant could be just as severe as the Delta strain, according to early findings from researchers at Imperial College London, in a study which also highlighted the elevated risk of reinfection posed by the new variant and the need for booster shots to combat it. Specifically what the report actually says is "We don't know". It makes literally no representation whether Omicron is better, worse, or the same as Delta. Now I'm not saying Imperial are the academic equivalent of a clickbait farm and have been throughout this pandemic, but... no actually I *am* saying that, they've persistently taken worst-case numbers and rushed out press releases saying "WE ARE ALL GOING TO DIE maybe possibly if you assume every possible thing goes wrong" while couching the actual work much more scientifically so when they get called out because they, for example, predicted 10k hospitalisations a day in the second wave even with total lockdown (actual number 5k with far less restrictions) they can point at the actual report and say "well actually, this was only one of a range...". As for Feigl-Ding - he self-retweeted this take 5 times today, but none of the data coming from SA showing a lower hospitalisation rate, or even the report, from the exact same FT blog, that SA cases *seem* to be plateauing, suggesting Omicron might not be as evasive of prior immunity (vaccine or natural) as feared. Now of course the SA data is *also* problematic if taken at face value, because it suggests we don't need to do anything at all, but if he were actually interested in giving info he'd at least mention this.
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The Awesomesaurus posted:I can’t say how accurate that Dr. Ding guy is, but the way he writes his tweets really loving annoys me. The study itself says it's premature to draw any conclusion about severity of disease and omicron one way or the other based on their dataset.
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wilderthanmild posted:Wait, does this imply that 6-24 months might be approved earlier than 2-5 years? Because it says that the younger group created sufficient anti-bodies. Pfizer's statement says they're expanding to a three dose regiment and hoping to have data to file for EUA "first half of 2022." They make no indication they're going to split the filing.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:His main problem is that he screams and panics about everything so eventually everything is #BREAKING #DOOMFOREVER and becomes white noise It's really exhausting to live through a pandemic where every day there's mostly bad news and it drags on for multiple years. That doesn't mean that the news isn't bad.
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Salt Fish posted:It's really exhausting to live through a pandemic where every day there's mostly bad news and it drags on for multiple years. That doesn't mean that the news isn't bad. Consistently the only good news I see is from the same people who keep wishcasting "endemic" like Michael Scott declaring bankruptcy. FWIW I'm still an optimist, I think technology will improve. Paxlovid is exciting, I hope it is able to transform COVID into the severe flu people are hoping for, instead of the organ munching monster it currently appears to be.
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Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:This guy measures CO2 levels in random places and apparently a movie theater is not good if you want to avoid breathing other people's poison lung gas not great not terrible
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Dec 17, 2021 20:06
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Pfizer projects the endemic phase to begin in 2024 fwiw
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Apparently according to my doctor the CDC is recommending a 4th booster for immunocompromised persons at 6 months from the 3rd booster. I got my booster in Aug so I'm apparently scheduled for the next one in Jan. Basically going to have to get a booster every 6 months now.
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fyi please do not follow or read Feigl-Ding who is legit the worst loving source for Covid info on Twitter, dude just deals in doomsday porn along with a bunch of loving obnoxious emojis and allcaps while burying actual info under clickbait headlines and poo poo he doesn't fully understand. For the most part I've just been following Angela Rasmussen, Muge Cevik, and Francois Balloux for the last year or so---more level headed people who are neither alarmist squawking chickens nor dismissive denialists.
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brugroffil posted:Pfizer projects the endemic phase to begin in 2024 fwiw that's good right cuz it ends
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My opinion of EFD is that he's basically a giant pile of noise with signal buried in it. Without even looking for more examples I can remember two major misses of his that got a ton of traction around here and they really soured me on him as source. First was early in the pandemic he was hyping up an extremely poorly conducted study predicting the r0 of original covid-19 was some insanely incorrect number(I think like 8 or 9), and then making a bunch of his own wild predictions that ended up not even being close to reality. Second was last winter he kept hyping up a lot of variants, many not even named variants of interest let alone variants of concern. In particular he kept posting about a California variant have that was vaccine evasive totally going to become the dominant strain and how by the end of February we were gonna be firmly in a 4th wave. Some of this is made worse by him often deleting a some of these tweets after the fact(particularly go look at the early covid threads to see tons of deleted EFD tweets). This almost seems good except that like retractions it's not like people go back and see that the information has been deleted or retracted, they just internalize it when they first read it. This is a bigger problem when he posts a lot of it with such urgency with his BREAKING  NEWS BREAKING style.Plenty of what he posts is correct, but when it is, many other not click-baity sources also tweet about it, but then why pay attention to him at all? I basically trust him as much as I trust any goon posting about covid. The only difference is he makes a lot of money to do it. A professional shitposter. Hollismason posted:Apparently according to my doctor the CDC is recommending a 4th booster for immunocompromised persons at 6 months from the 3rd booster. I got my booster in Aug so I'm apparently scheduled for the next one in Jan. I really hope the US doesn't drag its feet forever on future boosters as needed. Especially because I am a rule follower who hates the idea of trying to get shots as "Justin Jectme" at my local CVS or whatever.
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I’ll plug Trevor Bedford and Eric Topol again. The former created Nextstrain and his posts about genomics are well done and informative. Topol is a doctor/scientist who is willing to say when things legit look scary but also isn’t a doomsayer. Both are careful scientists overall. This is in contrast to ghouls like Monica Gandhi who only ever say “it’s fine actually,” are almost always proven wrong in short order, and tend to be backed by dark money from libertarian billionaires. Anyway, IMO, I’d definitely like to hear news that Omicron is much less severe than Delta. Even if it’s no worse, the sheer caseload it’s generating means that no increase in severity is not awesome. So far it seems like the data we have are confounded by the fact that hospitalizations lag behind infections and that we’ve only known about this thing for a few weeks. Zugzwang fucked around with this message at 20:52 on Dec 17, 2021 |
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Alan Smithee posted:that's good right It's right there in the name bro End-emic
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Zugzwang posted:I’ll plug Trevor Bedford and Eric Topol again. The former created Nextstrain and his posts about genomics are well done and informative. Topol is a doctor/scientist who is willing to say when things legit look scary but also isn’t a doomsayer. Both are careful scientists overall. Yeah Trevor Bedford has been a very good to follow throughout the pandemic. He only posts occasionally and is very detailed and informative when he does. He was the first add to my covid list on twitter. Topol also seems informative, though I've only begun noticing his tweets more recently. I should probably add him to that list as well. DLC Inc posted:For the most part I've just been following Angela Rasmussen, Muge Cevik, and Francois Balloux for the last year or so---more level headed people who are neither alarmist squawking chickens nor dismissive denialists. I'll look into these to follow to, thanks for the list.
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I too had a Covid list but I ended up pruning everyone and just leaving Eric Crack Ping and Dr. Peter Hotez They give me enough doom porn that I don't feel the need to check others (Dr. Hotez is actually pretty measured but it's been funny to watch him become incredibly bitter in the past year, from hopeful optimism)
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I like the furry https://www.inputmag.com/features/furry-scientist-vaccines-chise-covid-19-twitter-controversy
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I follow Bob Wachter who is the Chair at UCSF Dept of Medicine and doesn’t post much and only retweets interesting experts: https://mobile.twitter.com/Bob_Wachter
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They've made their choice. Go with god, ya dumb fucks.
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DLC Inc posted:fyi please do not follow or read Feigl-Ding who is legit the worst loving source for Covid info on Twitter, dude just deals in doomsday porn along with a bunch of loving obnoxious emojis and allcaps while burying actual info under clickbait headlines and poo poo he doesn't fully understand. Balloux is no better than Feigl-Ding. Rasmussen is better, but still has a lot of problems. She was a forceful naysayer on both ærosol transmission and reinfection for the longest time. She’s a virologist, which is great, but she should have listened to more relevant scientists on those particular issues. Linsey Marr is one such expert on the ærosol transmission of viruses. She was entirely right on this issue in early 2020 and it’s a shame that no policymakers listened to her and her colleagues. She’s a fine person to follow on Twitter (@linseymarr), doesn’t tweet all that much and doesn’t stray from her expertise. Cevik, I don’t know. I haven’t heard much from her.
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What's the republican subset that covers the missing 7% here?
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Xlorp posted:What's the republican subset that covers the missing 7% here?
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What about the people that don't identify with one of the two parties? Half of Americans don't vote.
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At least we will always have the lols https://twitter.com/RonFilipkowski/status/1472016822639677450?s=20
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My son and I don’t have Covid, just seems to be a real SOB of a cold. It’s miserable enough for me and I understand what’s happening, I can’t imagine what he is thinking of this at 3.5 months old. 
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Stoatbringer posted:So, not a team player then?
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I caught covid, do I need to go see a doctor? I can't really afford to see as doctor so if they won't be able to prescribe something that can help me I don't want to go... Also, how permanent are these effects? Is my sense of taste going to be hosed like this forever? And how long does it usually take to recover? I first got sick 3 days ago, is that long enough that I need to start worrying?
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Spaghett posted:What about the people that don't identify with one of the two parties? Half of Americans don't vote. I don't know about the methodology of this survey but "people who do not care about civic participation also do not care about public health participation" is pretty obvious and sound https://www.yahoo.com/now/61-those-won-t-covid-130000892.html quote:WASHINGTON, September 20, 2021--(BUSINESS WIRE)--The majority of Americans who do not want to get the Covid-19 vaccine are non-voters, with 56% of those who are hesitant or refuse to be vaccinated being 18 to 34.
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Do yall think it's overkill to get one of those paint 3M respirators from home depot for a flight on Xmas or should I just wear a standard n95 mask.... Thankful I'm not flying out of NYC but who knows if the Philadelphia airport is much different?? The experts on NPR say flying while boosted should be safe but the "cases are doubling every 2 days" in NYC does not help my anxiety. 
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sunken fleet posted:I caught covid, do I need to go see a doctor? I can't really afford to see as doctor so if they won't be able to prescribe something that can help me I don't want to go... You should really call a doctors office/urgent care and describe your symptoms to medical professional if you’re concerned. The forums aren’t going to be able to help you. Anecdotally, friends with Covid pre-vaccine had symptoms for 5-10 days, with the worst over in about a week, and loss of taste and smell lingering to some extent for longer. I know one person who still can’t smell certain things.
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eig posted:Do yall think it's overkill to get one of those paint 3M respirators from home depot for a flight on Xmas or should I just wear a standard n95 mask.... Thankful I'm not flying out of NYC but who knows if the Philadelphia airport is much different?? The experts on NPR say flying while boosted should be safe but the "cases are doubling every 2 days" in NYC does not help my anxiety. You should post this in the other two Covid threads, it would be fun to see the range of responses
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sunken fleet posted:I caught covid, do I need to go see a doctor? I can't really afford to see as doctor so if they won't be able to prescribe something that can help me I don't want to go... I hope you're vaxxed, it should help some If you're in the US, get some info about monoclonal therapy, it supposedly helps a lot early in the infection, see if you're eligible https://covid19.ncdhhs.gov/treatment If you're poor and really can't afford a doctor you need to monitor your O2 levels, get an oximeter and make sure your blood oxygen doesn't go below like 92 or so. If it gets into the 80's consistently you gotta go to a doctor or hospital and get some oxygen and hopefully you won't need to be intubated For some people it takes weeks to reach that level, but others croak within a few days  so check your Oxygen levelsYou're posting so you're hopefully fine? And definitely don't go to work or a concert or to see Spiderman sunken fleet posted:Also, how permanent are these effects? Is my sense of taste going to be hosed like this forever? And how long does it usually take to recover? I first got sick 3 days ago, is that long enough that I need to start worrying? Nobody knows yet, some people get it back within weeks or months... edit: I am not a doctor and this is definitely not medical advice 
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Puppy Galaxy posted:You should post this in the other two Covid threads, it would be fun to see the range of responses I am already suffering, where are there :-) Let's make it worse. edit: wait you must mean d&d and cspam... no I am not ready to die
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eig posted:Do yall think it's overkill to get one of those paint 3M respirators from home depot for a flight on Xmas or should I just wear a standard n95 mask.... Thankful I'm not flying out of NYC but who knows if the Philadelphia airport is much different?? The experts on NPR say flying while boosted should be safe but the "cases are doubling every 2 days" in NYC does not help my anxiety. People will tell you it’s overkill, but for ten to thirty dollars, it’s worth it even if it just gives you peace of mind. However, there’s a good chance that airlines won’t let you wear an elastomeric respirator like this. What you could do is get a disposable respirator like this or this and put a surgical mask over the top of it to cover the exhaust valve. You shouldn’t get any trouble wearing that onto the plane.
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Heads up to any goons in New Jersey: you can get free at-home PCR tests sent to you now. Looks like you order the kit online, attend a Zoom session with a supervising clinician, and then mail your sample back to a lab for testing.
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eig posted:Do yall think it's overkill to get one of those paint 3M respirators from home depot for a flight on Xmas or should I just wear a standard n95 mask.... Thankful I'm not flying out of NYC but who knows if the Philadelphia airport is much different?? The experts on NPR say flying while boosted should be safe but the "cases are doubling every 2 days" in NYC does not help my anxiety. There's been a bunch of CSPAM goons who tried to wear elastomerics for flights and pretty much all of them were forced to change to a different mask by TSA or the airline because of policy issues. Some of them don't allow it because of the exhaust port, even if you have it covered with cloth or a surgical mask or the port is filtered. You can try wearing a different mask during check-in and boarding and then switching back to the elastomeric after takeoff because they won't really give a gently caress after that point but there's still a chance you'll get a flight attendant who's a stickler for policy.
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Puppy Galaxy posted:You should really call a doctors office/urgent care and describe your symptoms to medical professional if you’re concerned. The forums aren’t going to be able to help you. Comfy Fleece Sweater posted:I hope you're vaxxed, it should help some Thanks for the advice guys. I know forums are a terrible and inappropriate place to look for medical advice but I dunno, I was scared and I don't know a lot about covid. Anyway, I don't feel all that sick but I guess I should just call and talk to my doctor to be on the safe side.
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