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Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

Only Stalin and Mao have ever been right.

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Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

Raskolnikov38 posted:

awww why didnt i get any messages

I didn't get any PMs from xtal, anarchists just love making idle death threats online.

Serf
May 5, 2011


i like anarchists and think they make some good points, but not good enough to make me reconsider communism

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

Anarchism's biggest problem is that it's a beacon for people with oppositional defiance disorder. Most of them can't even help themselves because they're so young and impulsive. Abstractly, anarchism is just as valid as any other ideology - in the sense that they're all wrong.

Communism rules.

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

Serf posted:

i like anarchists and think they make some good points, but not good enough to make me reconsider communism

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

There will always be disagreements about methods, but the goal of Anarchism isn't any different.

But it seems weird that anarchists choose to defend one state against another just because they disagree about the methods :shrug:

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007

https://twitter.com/carolynryan/status/1472041856569683978?s=20

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 28 days!)

Lostconfused posted:

There will always be disagreements about methods, but the goal of Anarchism isn't any different.

But it seems weird that anarchists choose to defend one state against another just because they disagree about the methods :shrug:

Anarchists believe the method is the goal, which is an organization of society that arises spontaneously from collective consent. They think that they can conquer material deprivation this way, even though spontaneous consent naturally gives rise to provincialism. At some point ideology has to be imposed from above.

For the state to fall away you have to develop the material conditions for it to do so. There isn't a spontaneous solution to immiseration, it has to be constructed.

Muscle Wizard
Jul 28, 2011

by sebmojo

lol they call this journalism

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

is this still just 'the only reason a book of Xi's speeches would be highly rated is if it's a conspiracy'?

i say swears online
Mar 4, 2005

[translated from mandarin] gotta have them ribs...and some pussy, too!

Muscle Wizard
Jul 28, 2011

by sebmojo

sexpig by night posted:

is this still just 'the only reason a book of Xi's speeches would be highly rated is if it's a conspiracy'?

uhhhh are you disagreeing with two people who have experience in the matter???

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

thatfatkid posted:

loling at the d&d thread swallowing that Reuters book review article hook line and sinker. I wish I was smart like them

love to do Olympic level mental gymnastics in order to come to the conclusion that working with and adhering to a states media operating requirements is doing propaganda.

surely the noble and pure western beacon of freedom that is Amazon was beaten into submission by the inscrutable oriental.

thatfatkid has issued a correction as of 01:09 on Dec 19, 2021

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

thatfatkid posted:

love to do Olympic level mental gymnastics in order to come to the conclusion that working with and adhering to a states media operating requirements is doing propaganda.

surely the noble and pure western beacon of freedom that is Amazon was beaten into submission by the inscrutable oriental.

Who are we to argue with the bulletproof authenticity of stdh.txt such as "according to two people familiar with the incident" and "An internal 2018 Amazon briefing document".

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Its just so low effort lol

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

If it works, why bother trying harder.

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

Frankly, I just feel betrayed by such a beacon of morality as Amazon.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Cpt_Obvious posted:

Frankly, I just feel betrayed by such a beacon of morality as Amazon.

Agreed, its beyond the pale that the devious oriental has corrupted such a noble organisation.

Wraith of J.O.I.
Jan 25, 2012


whoa! get a load of this!!

https://www.amazon.com/Quotations-C...ps%2C132&sr=8-4

https://www.amazon.com/Xi-Jinping-G...ps%2C145&sr=8-4

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011


what ideas are promoted by iron man are they referring to the notion that if you say youre doing arms reduction but keep doing it anyway people will only remember that you said you were going to stop

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth


Surely the noble western press didn't just make up a bullshit story that fit the current narrative?! :o

Also, those are some reddit liberal tier posts. Truly pathetic and borderline racist individuals

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth

Some Guy TT posted:

what ideas are promoted by iron man are they referring to the notion that if you say youre doing arms reduction but keep doing it anyway people will only remember that you said you were going to stop

the idea that the arms manufacturers and le epic celebrity billionaires are the ubermensch and are never to be questioned or doubted.

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
awww now xtal won't be able to poo poo up the podcast thread anymore

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth

thatfatkid posted:

Its just so low effort lol

I love that the D&D thread literally thinks Xi himself did that, like he was just chilling in his house in his underwear combing Amazon reviews and went 'woah what the gently caress'

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
Xi just punching a wall because JimRoy39 said his book was 'gay and boring'.

Raskolnikov38
Mar 3, 2007

We were somewhere around Manila when the drugs began to take hold

lol only two negative reviews having to do with the print quality rather than arguing with mao/xi through the review system

Cpt_Obvious
Jun 18, 2007

sexpig by night posted:

I love that the D&D thread literally thinks Xi himself did that, like he was just chilling in his house in his underwear combing Amazon reviews and went 'woah what the gently caress'

Scene Open:
-----

"....WHAT!?..."

President Xi rockets out of his throne.

"Get me the phone. Yes, that phone." he growls.

....I need a line to the Commissar. Please. " He goes to put down the phone, but hesitates. "I'll hold. And thank you."

A moment's hold.

"Commissar Hitler, there's a 'Pooh' in the punch bowl."

Cue trumpets.








Edit: I feel like someone made this joke before but w/e.

Cpt_Obvious has issued a correction as of 06:38 on Dec 19, 2021

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

Got around to watching the Battle at Lake Changjin through the usual :filez:.

Some impressions:

- In scenes where there's a lot of planes and ships it is obvious that they're CGI but they're fine when there's not a lot of them on scene.

- I hope it doesn't end in heartbreak for the old grandma and grandpa back home. :ohdear:

- US AIr Force in the movie is omnipresent and it is suffocating. The protagonists' train gets bombed which destroys a lot of supplies and catches some people too slow; the buzz of a pair of fighters brings everything to a halt and while the pair of pilots commit war crimes by shooting up (what they think are) dead people and everybody has to stay still or else the pilots realize there's living people to kill; even operating the radio at an inopportune time will betray your position away to the US Air Force.

- The stuff that is taken for granted by American War Movie Good Guys: radios, maps, BIG WALL MAP etc., is called out as being precious for the PVA. The radios are among the first items along with the maps to be taken off the train when the American bombers were spotted. Mao Anying in the movie was trying to save the aforementioned BIG WALL MAP during the air strike and he died for it.

- The juxtaposition between the lavishly supplied Americans and the relatively deprived PVA is incredible. On one side there are smart intelligence officers given entire rooms worth of electronics, soldiers kitted out with trucks, tanks, armored vehicles, artillery, and tons and tons of machine guns. They even had a very warm Thanksgiving Dinner! On the other side is our protagonists who have to carry everything on foot and who lack proper winter gear due to poor logistical throughput and who don't even have enough food consistently.

- First battle between the company and the US marines at the communication outpost was tense as gently caress. The marines weren't pushovers at all and would pull off ambushes and utilize their superior firepower to pin down and kill a lot of friendlies. It was hard fought and Lei's ambush of the reinforcement column was a well executed scene.

- I never knew I needed a machinegun duel but Ping He's machinegun duel with the marine sharpshooter with the recoiless rifle and machinegun was awesome as heck.

- Tanks were consistently boss battles for our protagonists and they often had to rely on the blindness of the tanks and the lack of enemy infantry to get close to deliver disabling/killing attacks on them.

- Attack on the 31st Infantry is a compressed version of what happened to RCT-31 given movie constraints. While the Army initially gave a poorer showing compared to the marines earlier, they quickly started becoming a tenacious foe for our PVA protagonists even while retreating under fire. Between all the machineguns, ambushes, and tanks the Army here puts up a fight even at the end.

- Plane shootdown with the bazooka near the end was a bit silly for me but I'll allow it.

- A lot of American dialogue feels like it came out of a 90s era RTS unit bark. The one that got a chuckle out of me was something like "Chaos Company move out!"

tl;dr Battle at Lake Changjin is worth watching as a war movie. The action is pretty good and there's a lot of tension throughout the whole movie. The USA works exceptionally well as an antagonist for the PVA.

Danann has issued a correction as of 05:04 on Dec 19, 2021

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
Just looked up the rotten tomatoes score for it and critics score is 33% against an audience score of 100%.

Such hard-hitting critiques as well, like this gem from The Guardian "It's straight-up propaganda - almost comedically so at times."

I sure am glad The Guardian is here to protect me from propaganda. I'm so glad I live in the anglosphere where we are free from the tyranny of propaganda in pop culture.

https://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/the_battle_at_lake_changjin/reviews

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy

Danann posted:

- The stuff that is taken for granted by American War Movie Good Guys: radios, maps, BIG WALL MAP etc., is called out as being precious for the PVA. The radios are among the first items along with the maps to be taken off the train when the American bombers were spotted. Mao Anying in the movie was trying to save the aforementioned BIG WALL MAP during the air strike and he died for it.
huh that's interesting. i've noticed the villains using BIG WALL MAP or fancy 3D models in other chinese war films:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ji9xq8Qn4wU&t=399s

mao doesn't have that poo poo. he's on a fucken horse. one of the side plots in the film is a (german) military advisor from the communist international embedded with them, but he doesn't really know anything, he just studied at a soviet military college and is convinced he knows the best, so there's a conflict between him and mao (on his fucken horse)

BrutalistMcDonalds has issued a correction as of 06:55 on Dec 19, 2021

strange feelings re Daisy
Aug 2, 2000

https://twitter.com/NikkiMcR/status/1472019332507090947
Most of the replies to this tweet ignore the alarming call for Chinese genocide and just focus on the slander of minorities in the US military. "gently caress you, I served and I'm easily strong enough to create a pile of human skulls"

BrutalistMcDonalds
Oct 4, 2012


Lipstick Apathy
small dogs bark the loudest

crepeface
Nov 5, 2004

r*p*f*c*
the moon cares not for the howling of dogs (awooouu)

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Pener Kropoopkin posted:

Anarchists believe the method is the goal, which is an organization of society that arises spontaneously from collective consent. They think that they can conquer material deprivation this way, even though spontaneous consent naturally gives rise to provincialism. At some point ideology has to be imposed from above.

For the state to fall away you have to develop the material conditions for it to do so. There isn't a spontaneous solution to immiseration, it has to be constructed.

this probably gives too much credit to them, and all western liberal "socialists", their motivation feels less like committed ideological purity and more like their politics are still guided by the christian moralism that they've been immersed in. Communism (or capitalism for that matter) aren't just modes of production, they are value systems that signal whether you are a Good Person, or not.

Lostconfused
Oct 1, 2008

RT had a live stream with the vice minister for international affairs about the proposed security treaty with USA.

https://youtu.be/_VoNtxeo4Vo

He answered a few questions from the correspondents for westeren media outlets. It was mostly the poo poo you would expect from both sides.

One thing relevant to this thread I guess is that when asked if Russia would agree to cease joint exercises with China and abstain from any military alliances or treaties. His response was that "Russia has a close special and all encompassing relationship with China." or something like that depending on how you want to translate it.

Well at least in public he didn't throw China under the bus like western think tank mouthpieces like to imagine Russia playing US and China against each other for some opportunistic gains.

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
I for one am glad to hear such from Russia, good for them not being brow beaten into submission by NATO

*engage d&d mode* Just realised you are using Russia Today as a source of news about the inscrutable menacing slav. In future please don't taint this thread with such propaganda you disgusting Putin Puppet. Make sure to review the media criticism thread to learn about acceptable sources and opinions.

thatfatkid has issued a correction as of 07:58 on Dec 19, 2021

Centrist Committee
Aug 6, 2019
its cool to see the UN coming back in style

Doktor Avalanche
Dec 30, 2008

thatfatkid posted:

Its just so low effort lol

that's because high effort isn't needed, people will eat this poo poo up anyway
propaganda works

thatfatkid
Feb 20, 2011

by Azathoth
true. liberals are at their core lazy bigots that will happily accept blatant bullshit so long as it reinforces their braindead worldview

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Orange Devil
Oct 1, 2010

Wullie's reign cannae smother the flames o' equality!

thatfatkid posted:

loling at the d&d thread swallowing that Reuters book review article hook line and sinker. I wish I was smart like them

Uhmm they have a stickied media literacy and criticism thread so I am certain they have treated this source with the appropriate amount of scrutiny.

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