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luminalflux
May 27, 2005



KYOON GRIFFEY JR posted:

AF premium economy catering is a lot better than Delta's

I haven’t flown economy delta TATL in ages, but from my latest experiences food was a lot worse than KLM AMS-SFO in Y or SAS SFO<->CPH in PE. Also they didn’t come around with water in between services either

It’s a budget airline that thinks it’s still a flag carrier.

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CBJamo
Jul 15, 2012

vessbot posted:

If you're non revving at a higher priority than me then yeah, please don't travel. I hear the Irish pub at the strip mall is great.

:emptyquote:

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

luminalflux posted:

I haven’t flown economy delta TATL in ages, but from my latest experiences food was a lot worse than KLM AMS-SFO in Y or SAS SFO<->CPH in PE. Also they didn’t come around with water in between services either

It’s a budget airline that thinks it’s still a flag carrier.

AF really dragged KLM down with that merger/whatever.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

hobbesmaster posted:

AF really dragged KLM down with that merger/whatever.

FlyingPoo infects all things.

Murgos
Oct 21, 2010

PT6A posted:

Everyone: "this configuration is hellish and I hate it."

Airline: "okay, we'll make a better configuration and you can pay modestly more per seat. Not double or anything, just a bit more. Or you can have premium economy."

Everyone: "Wait, what the gently caress? I'm not paying that! The other airline's tickets are $20 cheaper!"

Economy class is hell and it will strictly only ever get worse because it turns out many, many people would prefer hell to paying more money.

It’s weird. For something like lease payments on trucks Americans will splash out far beyond their means but stuff that is small cost deltas for drastic improvements in quality are just rejected out of hand for the lowest price.

I routinely have to tell myself not to buy the cheapest version of something just because it’s cheaper but actually evaluating what I want out of it.

Part of it probably has a lot o do with how depressed wages are and how that’s been hidden by the simultaneously falling prices of most goods. You can buy more stuff so you don’t feel poor but when you look around you don’t really have anything valuable.

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...

Murgos posted:

It’s weird. For something like lease payments on trucks Americans will splash out far beyond their means but stuff that is small cost deltas for drastic improvements in quality are just rejected out of hand for the lowest price.

I routinely have to tell myself not to buy the cheapest version of something just because it’s cheaper but actually evaluating what I want out of it.

Part of it probably has a lot o do with how depressed wages are and how that’s been hidden by the simultaneously falling prices of most goods. You can buy more stuff so you don’t feel poor but when you look around you don’t really have anything valuable.

Actively avoiding the cheapest physical shovelware has been a huge improvement in my quality of life. I despise disposable junk.

PainterofCrap
Oct 17, 2002

hey bebe



MrYenko posted:

Actively avoiding the cheapest physical shovelware has been a huge improvement in my quality of life. I despise disposable junk.

Almost every long-handled tool I own is at least sixty years old. They tend to be in great shape and cheap at yard/tag/rummage sales, especially if they're dirty. I got tired of handles that broke and spade blades that literally bent in half.

That said, Harbor Freight is an exercise in learning what cheap poo poo will work, for at least as long as you need it. They sell decent-enough one- or two-piece tools (screwdrivers, wrenches, pliers) that serve for most homeowner applications. You takes your chances with more complex stuff; sometimes the quality is surprisingly OK.

Woolwich Bagnet
Apr 27, 2003



I try to only buy things I know will last and that I'll be happy with long term. That means that I rebuy stuff way less frequently than most people I know because I don't buy stuff that's 'disposable.' It also means that I buy way less stuff in the first place which is good. I'm using a 2013 macbook air to type this because it still works perfectly for the role intended: browsing the web while being light weight with a long battery life. I maxed the ram and cpu at a cost then, but it would be seriously struggling now if it had a dual core cpu with no HT and only 4 GB of ram.

The headphones I use on my computer are something like 13 years old at this point. A friend of mine kept buying cheap headphone garbage off aliexpress and was always surprised when it was garbage and would buy more. He must have purchased 10-15 sets in a couple of years alone. And the stuff you're replacing is worthless, so it just goes in a landfill.

Problem is, most people simply can't afford to buy good things. With CPI rapidly outpacing minimum wage, and in general pay for everyone, it's hard to afford good quality items. It's not a choice for most people. Our economy relies on people buying things they need to constantly replace.

To quote Pratchett:

“The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.”

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017

ranbo das posted:

Counterpoint, the worst Americans I've ever known all have never traveled outside the country, many of them basically haven't left their state.

Getting exposure to other cultures isn't a bad thing

My favorite time encountering other Americans abroad was a family of large sized Americans trudging up to a castle built up on a hill, complaining about how stupid it was that they built a castle on a hill and how that made it such a pain to get to.


Salami Surgeon posted:

The best part about traveling is that there's an Irish pub everywhere

https://youtu.be/tDTQQWSmo8s

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
I had always thought Air France was a top tier carrier, weird to find out that is not the case!

What’s the best out of the US domestics, I haven’t flown Delta ever and been a long time since I flew AA, and United I find to be fairly similar to Air Canada. I like their byod infotainment thing more than having screens everywhere as well tbh.

Probably will be doing the yvr-sfo or san jose fairly often in a year or two. Most likely will be AC/United code shares.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

EvenWorseOpinions posted:

My favorite time encountering other Americans abroad was a family of large sized Americans trudging up to a castle built up on a hill, complaining about how stupid it was that they built a castle on a hill and how that made it such a pain to get to.

Even at the tender age of 11, being on an MWR outing to the gorgeous seaside comune of Taormina in mid-October of 1991 remains a staunchly depressing memory for me. Imagine a kindergarten field trip, only without the "kiddie tether" and the adults behaving worse.

Nothing says "gently caress your country and its culture" more than trundling about in Budweiser shirts and NASCAR caps while bemoaning the fact that "no one speaks English." Sicilians hated Americans...until you made the bare minimum of effort to humble yourselves on their behalf and *try* to speak Italian. Then they'd loving *die* for you trying to accommodate your needs. 95% of people on base never bothered.

priznat posted:

Probably will be doing the yvr-sfo or san jose fairly often in a year or two.

Going Alaska would give you way more valuable miles now that they're Oneworld, but you'd probably be forced to connect through SEA.

BIG HEADLINE fucked around with this message at 20:08 on Dec 19, 2021

Thomamelas
Mar 11, 2009


So during the 80's the Coast Guard bought some Dassault Falcons 20s for SAR and drug intersection work. They were pretty heavily modified for SAR work. But someone at the Coast Guard wondered if they could get on site faster. So they had one modified to have an engine with an afterburner. When I research it, I find conflicting info. That only one engine had an afterburner, or both did. Either way it was abandoned because one of the primary traits you want in a plane for SAR is loitering time and afterburners don't really play well with that.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

Thomamelas posted:



So during the 80's the Coast Guard bought some Dassault Falcons 20s for SAR and drug intersection work. They were pretty heavily modified for SAR work. But someone at the Coast Guard wondered if they could get on site faster. So they had one modified to have an engine with an afterburner. When I research it, I find conflicting info. That only one engine had an afterburner, or both did. Either way it was abandoned because one of the primary traits you want in a plane for SAR is loitering time and afterburners don't really play well with that.

Never been a fan of this dude's narrative style, but: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jl1tzsLlUAo&t=207s

MrChips
Jun 10, 2005

FLIGHT SAFETY TIP: Fatties out first

Thomamelas posted:



So during the 80's the Coast Guard bought some Dassault Falcons 20s for SAR and drug intersection work. They were pretty heavily modified for SAR work. But someone at the Coast Guard wondered if they could get on site faster. So they had one modified to have an engine with an afterburner. When I research it, I find conflicting info. That only one engine had an afterburner, or both did. Either way it was abandoned because one of the primary traits you want in a plane for SAR is loitering time and afterburners don't really play well with that.

Not true.

Garrett bought an ex-Coast Guard HU-25 to use as an engine testbed for the TFE1042 engine; the engine was intended for Taiwan's AIDC Ching-Kuo fighter.

MrChips fucked around with this message at 22:44 on Dec 19, 2021

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

priznat posted:

I had always thought Air France was a top tier carrier, weird to find out that is not the case!

What’s the best out of the US domestics, I haven’t flown Delta ever and been a long time since I flew AA, and United I find to be fairly similar to Air Canada. I like their byod infotainment thing more than having screens everywhere as well tbh.

Probably will be doing the yvr-sfo or san jose fairly often in a year or two. Most likely will be AC/United code shares.

Air France is like Paris the airline and you’re probably not a Parisian so you can gently caress off.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.

hobbesmaster posted:

Air France is like Paris the airline and you’re probably not a Parisian so you can gently caress off.

So rude and dog poop everywhere? :haw:

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"

priznat posted:

So rude and dog poop everywhere? :haw:

Don't forget piss.

If I think enough about it I can recall perfectly, even thirty years later, the Eau du Paris.

bennyfactor
Nov 21, 2008

BIG HEADLINE posted:

Don't forget piss.

If I think enough about it I can recall perfectly, even thirty years later, the Eau du Paris.

Sometimes, quite literally. https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/gerard-depardieu-pees-plane-air-fance-224368/

ImplicitAssembler
Jan 24, 2013


Well, he's no longer French anyway, so that doesn't count.

ThisIsJohnWayne
Feb 23, 2007
Ooo! Look at me! NO DON'T LOOK AT ME!



ImplicitAssembler posted:

Well, he's no longer French anyway, so that doesn't count.

A piece of paper won't save you from the natural instincts of the blood of the french , or, ya know, from people who likes and actually believes this sentence aka judgemental racists

ThisIsJohnWayne fucked around with this message at 08:07 on Dec 20, 2021

Humphreys
Jan 26, 2013

We conceived a way to use my mother as a porn mule


ThisIsJohnWayne posted:

A piece of paper won't save you from the natural instincts of the blood of the french , or, ya know, from people who likes and actually believes this sentence aka judgemental racists

French spotted.

EvenWorseOpinions
Jun 10, 2017
Yeah I'm French

F pissing
R on
E a
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C
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All the French I've run into were pretty cool, but I've never been in France

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

It’s seriously just Paris.

Warbird
May 23, 2012

America's Favorite Dumbass

The Mrs. and I went over in 2019 and it was pretty nice. Don’t remember any poop or piss.

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

I don't recall anything super disgusting in any of the major Euro cities I've been to.

Now, San Francisco...that's got more poop and piss on the sidewalk than most kennels and pretty much killed any desire to go back and spend more time there.

Jean-Paul Shartre
Jan 16, 2015

this sentence no verb


hobbesmaster posted:

It’s seriously just Paris.

It's seriously just Paris, if you don't speak French. They get like fifteen times their population in tourists a year and ninety-some percent of them are never coming back, why make the effort? And AF is the exact same.

hobbesmaster
Jan 28, 2008

JohnCompany posted:

It's seriously just Paris, if you don't speak French.

Ask a Québécois about that.

Lord Stimperor
Jun 13, 2018

I'm a lovable meme.

A metropolis that doesn't smell like piss isn't a metropolis of mine

Ola
Jul 19, 2004

Paris is a wonderful city that smells of poo and diesel.

BIG HEADLINE
Jun 13, 2006

"Stand back, Ottawan ruffian, or face my lumens!"
Paris might've smelled of piss to me, but it was preferable to pre-emissions standards Rome. First time simply being *outside* during the day burned my eyes from all the leaded exhaust.

They didn't change standards for the people's health, but rather because the caustic emissions were eating away at the tourist landmarks.

Midjack
Dec 24, 2007



slidebite posted:

I don't recall anything super disgusting in any of the major Euro cities I've been to.

Now, San Francisco...that's got more poop and piss on the sidewalk than most kennels and pretty much killed any desire to go back and spend more time there.

There is piss all over Helsinki after sundown every night.

KYOON GRIFFEY JR
Apr 12, 2010



Runner-up, TRP Sack Race 2021/22
all major cities have piss everywhere except maybe singapore and you're lying to yourself if you think it isn't the case

slidebite
Nov 6, 2005

Good egg
:colbert:

https://twitter.com/DrEricDing/status/1473224721240109056

Please tell me this is staged

marumaru
May 20, 2013




apparently it is, but it's based on a real case of a woman breastfeeding her cat in a flight

MrYenko
Jun 18, 2012

#2 isn't ALWAYS bad...


What I wouldn't give to buy that flight crew a couple rounds and get the full story.

McTinkerson
Jul 5, 2007

Dreaming of Shock Diamonds



It's related to this, so I do not think it is.
https://twitter.com/JustJettingThru/status/1463194402160091143?t=synqnBRMTePuNm0YgqJA1g&s=19

Cojawfee
May 31, 2006
I think the US is dumb for not using Celsius
It's a fake cat and apparently she is the lady that does those videos where she makes ice cream in a toilet, so I'd say it is staged.

Beef Of Ages
Jan 11, 2003

Your dumb is leaking.

Cojawfee posted:

It's a fake cat and apparently she is the lady that does those videos where she makes ice cream in a toilet, so I'd say it is staged.

The Internet has truly ruined everything.

priznat
Jul 7, 2009

Let's get drunk and kiss each other all night.
The reveal of the googly eyed stuffed cat made me realize it was staged but drat if it wasn't pretty funny/horrifying anyway.

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Nebakenezzer
Sep 13, 2005

The Mote in God's Eye

Pakistan: 1/3rd of our pilots have fake pilots licenses

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