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By the time most Americans see climate change as an immediate problem most non Americans won't anymore, if you catch my drift.
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Dec 23, 2021 14:44
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EvilJoven posted:By the time most Americans see climate change as an immediate problem most non Americans won't anymore, if you catch my drift. 63% of Americans already believe climate change is effecting their community at least some. 60% of Americans consider climate change to be a major threat to the well-being of the USA. 52% of Americans think climate change should be the top priority for the government. The problem is our society is structured such that the powerful don’t need to give a gently caress what the populous thinks. Trabisnikof has issued a correction as of 16:42 on Dec 23, 2021 |
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Dec 23, 2021 16:39
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To be fair, I actually agree with quite a few of the points raised, most specifically on his argument of "doomerism". I personally think that in some cases, it takes on tenets of a secular sort of apocalyptic millenarianism in response to Western decadence, ennui, and "helplessness" towards changing the system.
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Dec 23, 2021 16:42
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Trabisnikof posted:63% of Americans already believe climate change is effecting their community at least some. 60% of Americans consider climate change to be a major threat to the well-being of the USA. 52% of Americans think climate change should be the top priority for the government. I'd be very interested in the breakdown of that by generation and socioeconomic status lol (the people in power don't give a gently caress about CC) Hubbert posted:To be fair, I actually agree with quite a few of the points raised, most specifically on his argument of "doomerism". I personally think that in some cases, it takes on tenets of a secular sort of apocalyptic millenarianism in response to Western decadence, ennui, and "helplessness" towards changing the system. I just accept that things are going to continue to get worse, because I accept reality
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Dec 23, 2021 16:49
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actionjackson posted:I'd be very interested in the breakdown of that by generation and socioeconomic status lol (the people in power don't give a gently caress about CC) It’s pew polling I pulled those numbers from: https://www.pewresearch.org/science/2020/06/23/two-thirds-of-americans-think-government-should-do-more-on-climate/ https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2020/04/16/u-s-concern-about-climate-change-is-rising-but-mainly-among-democrats/ https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2020/02/13/as-economic-concerns-recede-environmental-protection-rises-on-the-publics-policy-agenda/ but mega lol at then polling people with “what if we just plant a bunch of trees to solve climate change” as if that would work
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Dec 23, 2021 16:55
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Hubbert posted:To be fair, I actually agree with quite a few of the points raised, most specifically on his argument of "doomerism". I personally think that in some cases, it takes on tenets of a secular sort of apocalyptic millenarianism in response to Western decadence, ennui, and "helplessness" towards changing the system. His "doomerism" argument isn't really fully developed though, it relies on a strawman of a "doomer". I'm a "doomer" insofar as I agree with Rime that oil is the modern divine right of kings and that it will flow until it can't but I'm still out here trying to live my best life, I quit my oil and gas job and am focusing on local ecology and community and family. Which is the what this thread of doomers overwhelming agrees is the correct course of action, the one you can talk about that doesn't get you banned, at least. If I subscribed to the non doomer view I would still be out there helping oil and gas companies produce as much oil as possible because hell, the UN and governments and markets are gonna figure this out, gotta keep society running in the meantime and that means oil! gently caress that.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:13
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"indestructible chemicals" mean they don't react with anything. If it doesn't react with anything, it's generally safe to throw into the ocean.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:15
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oil has very valuable uses at any price so we will probably never stop trying to suck it out of the earth.
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Dec 23, 2021 17:19
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i don’t react when i see 35 gigatons of co2 being thrown into the atmosphere every year, so maybe i should throw myself into the ocean
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Dec 23, 2021 17:20
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Booourns posted:commiegir very clearly gets mad whenever they see "cspam" posted in D&D in any context and it's pretty funny In Soviet D&D, GIR does not sing Song of the Doom.
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Dec 23, 2021 18:30
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Marenghi posted:Went to check in on the DD climate thread, they went quiet after COP but few posts since then. LOL CommieGIR really is the pettiest, most egotistical shithead of a mod
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Dec 23, 2021 19:11
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Cup Runneth Over posted:LOL CommieGIR really is the pettiest, most egotistical shithead of a mod sir we are in a forums war right now
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Dec 23, 2021 19:17
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reading the IPCC AR6 report front to back and claiming it’s the gospel truth is so missing the point of scientific enquiry and analysis it makes my head hurt
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Dec 23, 2021 19:22
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from the link above, interesting argument https://dothemath.ucsd.edu/2021/11/caught-up-in-complexity/ quote:Another common focus of how we might fix many of the world’s ills is redistributing the wealth of billionaires. But perversely, perhaps locking up the wealth without physical expression is doing more good than harm, in Earth’s eyes. If a multi-billionaire released, say, $30k each to 1 million people, we might expect 1 million car purchases, or the equivalent. Yet billionaires don’t have million-car garages. In general, because only a tiny sliver of energy and material resources go to the few billionaires (disproportionately small compared to their wealth), I would expect redistribution to result in a substantial increase in energy and material resource consumption: more fossil fuels; more CO2; more deforestation; more mining; more Amazon and back to billionaires! It’s a large part of what drives the appeal of redistribution: more access to “stuff” for the masses. What would the forests and animal kingdom want? Prioritizing people and their wants over ecosystems is a losing strategy, in the end.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:23
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Goddamn the dnd threat is insufferable
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Dec 23, 2021 19:26
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Xaris posted:Tim Murphy If a global population were capable of ethical decision-making, how much pollution would be ethically justified to build fully automated luxury gay space communism?
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Dec 23, 2021 19:27
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Jel Shaker posted:reading the IPCC AR6 report front to back and claiming it’s the gospel truth is so missing the point of scientific enquiry and analysis it makes my head hurt In the name of the author, and of the reviewer, and of the editor, amen.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:29
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actionjackson posted:from the link above, interesting argument so the solution to climate change... is more billionaires??
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Dec 23, 2021 19:29
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actionjackson posted:from the link above, interesting argument it's not interesting. "what if we peacefully redistributed wealth without changing the system" real deep thoughts here
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Dec 23, 2021 19:31
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Raine posted:it's not interesting. "what if we peacefully redistributed wealth without changing the system" real deep thoughts here Don't quote people on my ignore list tia
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Dec 23, 2021 19:32
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actionjackson posted:from the link above, interesting argument or you spend a trillion and give like $1000 to the bottom billion because one-time cash transfers of less than $500 have been consistently shown to have impacts that last years if given to poor people
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Dec 23, 2021 19:37
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that article is just another “markets can’t fix poo poo”.txt Like you can give a bunch of money to poor people and ensure we don’t add a bunch of new cars by just banning cars.
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Dec 23, 2021 19:39
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please quote every single post actionjackson makes in this thread
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Dec 23, 2021 19:40
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Why you little
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Dec 23, 2021 19:42
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Mayor Dave posted:Goddamn ... dnd ... is insufferable
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Dec 23, 2021 19:59
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Doctor Jeep posted:please quote every single post actionjackson makes in this thread will do perhaps I should have put "argument" in quotes
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Dec 23, 2021 21:04
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Cup Runneth Over posted:LOL CommieGIR really is the pettiest, most egotistical shithead of a mod Bad take. You forgot to mention that CGR is also incredibly stupid.
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Dec 23, 2021 21:32
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I read the D&D climate thread one time months ago and they were going on for pages about the search engine that plants trees when you search and figuring out how to set their browsers to default to that I imagine if you post about the ice shelf that is collapsing or the heat records or whatever you just get banned?
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Dec 23, 2021 21:48
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Pryor on Fire posted:I read the D&D climate thread one time months ago and they were going on for pages about the search engine that plants trees when you search and figuring out how to set their browsers to default to that yes also i hope that thread has a derail about that dumb wooden credit card next, it's somehow dumber than a search engine that buys tree planting credits on the blockchain or w/e
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Dec 23, 2021 21:53
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https://twitter.com/JonCampbellNY/status/1474008741070708746
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Dec 23, 2021 21:56
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lol
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Dec 23, 2021 22:01
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Lol Also love the av edit
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Dec 23, 2021 22:06
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Pryor on Fire posted:I read the D&D climate thread one time months ago and they were going on for pages about the search engine that plants trees when you search and figuring out how to set their browsers to default to that You can post about it just fine, but speculating that things are worse than the government summary reports say is doomerism. The adults are in office, y'see.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:07
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Oh good. More radioactive waste being spread everywhere.
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Dec 23, 2021 22:11
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actionjackson posted:from the link above, interesting argument
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Dec 23, 2021 22:17
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Mr Hootington posted:Oh good. More radioactive waste being spread everywhere. I thought the Dems were the party of "don't let perfect be the enemy of good"?!?!
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Dec 23, 2021 22:19
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I checked in with the D&D thread for the first time in a long time; it's incredible how bad the moderation is and how big of an inferiority complex they have about CSPAM
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Dec 23, 2021 22:19
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Bring back cuomo
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Dec 23, 2021 22:20
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love learning new ways we gently caress the environment that aren't even directly climate change related https://twitter.com/NOAAFisheries/status/1473744815112302601
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Dec 23, 2021 22:59
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actionjackson posted:from the link above, interesting argument Do they not know billionaires? Jerry Seinfeld and Jay Leno have massive underground garages packed with cars. I was in college with a Saudi exchange student who imported brand new one of those dodge muscle cars. Costs a fortune to import and tax those inefficient American cars to Europe. When he finished his studies he just left it parked on the road until it got towed away. Rich people do buy hundreds of cars and in some cases barely use them. The cost of emissions per mile driven must be through the roof for some rich people's cars considering the manufacturing emissions to make them.
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