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You know who elise built an eiffel tower?? The Japanese
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Dec 23, 2021 23:18
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Ardennes posted:I would say on the context of continuing operations… rather than historical operations. Ah yeah, that's true. Lol.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:21
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I feel like this should go without saying to anybody reading, but please don't accuse your fellow posters of being pedophiles to try and win an internet argument.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:22
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It's weird how his entire argument pivots on the fact that the Japanese government must represent the needs and desires of its people.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:30
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sexpig by night posted:it's so funny he kept using the holocaust as his big totem to try to wave around when the english did the holocaust to a poo poo ton of other countries before the holocaust happened. The only reason not to sink England into the sea is it would probably just become pedophile Atlantis
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Dec 23, 2021 23:30
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They'd wash up on Ireland's shores.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:31
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:They'd wash up on Ireland's shores. God that is how it would go for the Irish
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Dec 23, 2021 23:32
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Cpt_Obvious posted:It's weird how his entire argument pivots on the fact that the Japanese government must represent the needs and desires of its people. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elections_in_Japan#Malapportionment quote:In the early 1980s, as many as five times the votes were needed to elect a representative from an urban district compared with those needed for a rural district.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:49
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Japan awards seats by both proportional and constituency ballots, which is a "compromise" so infuriating I don't know why anybody votes in Japan at all.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:50
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Japan awards seats by both proportional and constituency ballots, which is a "compromise" so infuriating I don't know why anybody votes in Japan at all. in theory it's better than pure constituencies. there are other countries with similar systems, like germany and mexico. the proportional part helps small parties enter government and sometimes swallow the big ones
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Dec 23, 2021 23:55
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i say swears online posted:in theory it's better than pure constituencies. there are other countries with similar systems, like germany and mexico. the proportional part helps small parties enter government and sometimes swallow the big ones Sure, but those parties are still relegated to permanent minority status, because the constituency ballots give incumbency advantage to the biggest existing party. It gives the impression of being a more flexible form of democracy, when really it's more convoluted and frustrating.
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Dec 24, 2021 00:00
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the constituencies still act as a literal frustrating effort to benefit the establishment parties but it's not the biggest bulwark. lots of constituencies in the ruhr valley are essentially three-way races and morena in mexico completely blanked the map. in the recent chamber of deputies elections, the mexican version of the democrats and republicans went into electoral alliance against AMLO and still lost
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Dec 24, 2021 00:02
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This discussion reminds me of how some “leftists” have come out recently to defend the deliberate mass killings of civilians through area bombing during WW2. If every civilian shares responsibility for their government’s actions then there are no civilians
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Dec 24, 2021 00:12
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i say swears online posted:the constituencies still act as a literal frustrating effort to benefit the establishment parties but it's not the biggest bulwark. lots of constituencies in the ruhr valley are essentially three-way races and morena in mexico completely blanked the map. in the recent chamber of deputies elections, the mexican version of the democrats and republicans went into electoral alliance against AMLO and still lost yea the issue with Japan's system is more on the political landscape than the distribution method, there's nothing inherently bad with the method, I agree Mexico is a great example of it working as intended and at least allowing smaller but still popular parties to influence things by sheer annoyance. The problem in Japan is the dominant parties are kinda very similar in most regards and most minor parties run the spectrum from genuine fringe but good causes like actual organized communists to really annoying cases like 'we're functionally the LDP but our leader got pissed they kept getting passed over for perks so here's a new party with a couple tiny platform differences'. That plus the LDP just objectively has a massive public hold, not in that guy's weird 'the savage japanese love genocide, simply' way but in the 'for most Japanese people the LDP seems to be doing fine keeping the course steady and they're not super engaged with things or interested in a massive shift'. They're incredibly good at framing things as factional arguments (because the LDP is famously factional to begin with so a lot of things ARE factions squabbling) and staying on a message of 'well okay so that guy's team obviously hosed up but the party itself is strong'.
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Dec 24, 2021 00:13
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i say swears online posted:in theory it's better than pure constituencies. there are other countries with similar systems, like germany and mexico. the proportional part helps small parties enter government and sometimes swallow the big ones Hmm I'm seeing a pattern
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Dec 24, 2021 00:17
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KomradeX posted:Hmm I'm seeing a pattern the staid germans have much more dynamic elections than japan
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Dec 24, 2021 00:19
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FONN-0uoTHI
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Dec 24, 2021 00:34
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Dec 24, 2021 00:43
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Red and Black posted:This discussion reminds me of how some “leftists” have come out recently to defend the deliberate mass killings of civilians through area bombing during WW2. If every civilian shares responsibility for their government’s actions then there are no civilians the Antideutsch have been saying this for decades and have a party to celebrate the Dresden bombing every year
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Dec 24, 2021 00:45
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Total war has never been proven wrong.
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Dec 24, 2021 00:47
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i say swears online posted:the staid germans have much more dynamic elections than japan Sorry but I had to laugh out loud reading this line. I don't mean this personally, but let's see: - CDU (Christian center-right party) with Helmut Kohl at the helm for 16 years until a massive bribery scandal did him in - SPD (Supposed socialist party) with Gerhard Schroeder at the helm, ramping up the neo-liberal screwing of everyone to 11, got kicked out after 4, 5 years - CDU (Christian center-right party) with Angela "Mama" Merkel at the helm for 16 years, more or less towing the US line and continuing the neoliberal screwing of everyone That's the timeline from 1973 to 2021 lol
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Dec 24, 2021 00:47
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VomitOnLino posted:Sorry but I had to laugh out loud reading this line. I don't mean this personally, but let's see: i think the LDP has ran japan in the postwar era all but roughly six years, so
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Dec 24, 2021 00:50
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i say swears online posted:i think the LDP has ran japan in the postwar era all but roughly six years, so So, you really wanna die on that hill huh? There's basically no daylight between the CDU and the (modern) SPD... they're the same neoliberal shite in different packages. Another such country comes to mind...
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Dec 24, 2021 00:52
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i'm talking electoral systems and outcomes, not ideology. i have my tweed jacket on rn
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Dec 24, 2021 00:54
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Also I wanna add that while I did air my (entirely justified) grievances about Japan and their governance, I still have to laugh at the idea of laying everything horrible that ever happened in Japan or at its behest at the feet of every person who just so happens to be Japanese. Japans main problem is that the governing body, meaning both electable politicians and the massive un-electable bureaucratic apparatus, is basically certifiably insane and just so happens to (indirectly, via a self-policing buddy-system that I should write about sometime later) control the majority of the media as well as the peoples education among other things. They're also an island nation speaking a language that basically no one else but them speaks, which makes the above manipulation a lot easier. Then there's the 100 pound gorilla in the room, which is the US repeatedly expressing their wanting "stability and continuity" aka. wanting the LDP in power and wanting to keep Japan in it's current lackey status. Still, in spite of all of that several millions of Japanese have managed to see through a lot (if usually not all) of this and called "bullshit". tl;dr - Japan has a loving Mt. Fuji of capital 'P' Problems, but lol at laying that at the feet of every Japanese citizen ever
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Dec 24, 2021 01:03
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Ardennes posted:Yeah, I don’t think criticism of the LPD follows to the general population precisely because they would be voting in greater numbers if they were. This is a point that's really worth hitting I think; a lot of Japanese people are really politically disengaged. There's a lot of factors but I think a large part of it stems from a sort of backlash against the leftist movements of the 60s and especially the 70s, when anti-leftist tactics (government persecution of leftist movements, right-wing groups and crime syndicates funded by the US as anti-leftist strongmen, etc.) were quite successful, then the leftist movements imploded and had some highly public incidents. The most famous of course being the Asama-Sanso Incident where a leftist group literally fled to the mountains, and they did an internal purge where they beat and tortured to death more than half of their own members. poo poo like this really destroyed support for leftist movements in Japan among the general public, despite there being a good amount of support for it previously, because having your poster-children be guys who implode and torture their friends to death isn't good for making people like your ideology. To make a big handwavy hypothesis, I think a lot of lack of political engagement from younger Japanese now is due to Japanese universities and higher education studiously avoiding political movements. Whereas in a lot of countries people tend to learn about and stake out their political identities and ideology in universities where they learn about it and become engaged with the adult world, if you will (or at least such university students often form the core of many political movements), in Japan you really don't get much of that. If you go and talk to Japanese youth most of them hold generally liberal ideals (yes that's a dirty word here, but suffice to say they're not right wing), but they're not engaged enough to go to the polls. Additionally they couldn't go to the polls until they were 20, around which time a lot of them need to start preparing for hellish year of job searching (traditionally in Japan salaried employment gets locked down around the 3rd year of university and many students will typically spend their entire 3rd year doing endless interviews and the like), then they are free to take a break of sorts in their 4th year, since their future is largely locked in; a lot will go on a long overseas trip (for some likely the the only multi-week trip they'll take in their entire lives before retirement), then they start work for many that will consume the majority of their lives. It's far from the only factor, but what in many societies is a key time for development of political ideology, just doesn't occur for a lot of young Japanese, and the abysmal youth vote is probably in some ways a result of this.
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Dec 24, 2021 01:20
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I had a few coworkers who voted for the LDP and when I asked them why they did all said some variation of: “My life is going well right now. I like how things are. Why should I vote for something different?”
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Dec 24, 2021 01:42
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Son of Thunderbeast posted:one thing I hate about the discourse on American elections is people act like the American people are entirely blameless and separate from their government, which is stupid because s majority of the Americans obviously agree with th Republicans and Democrats, which is why they keep winning. that's right
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Dec 24, 2021 01:45
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https://twitter.com/CGTNOfficial/status/1474180268550340610 ... Lol???
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Dec 24, 2021 01:53
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Mister Bates posted:the Antideutsch have been saying this for decades and have a party to celebrate the Dresden bombing every year I'm wondering how committed these guys actually are to destroying German identity if they still use German language slogans.
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Dec 24, 2021 01:57
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was she the cult one or the embezzler
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Dec 24, 2021 02:06
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sexpig by night posted:was she the cult one or the embezzler Both.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:09
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Red and Black posted:I had a few coworkers who voted for the LDP and when I asked them why they did all said some variation of: “My life is going well right now. I like how things are. Why should I vote for something different?” That’s the other thing; despite the ideological issues of the LDP and Japanese politicians, reality is that life is good for most people. Everyone can walk the streets without fear, air is clean, cheap healthcare, etc. generally speaking everyone’s material needs have been and are still being met to the point people don’t want to shake things up and risk it getting worse. The generally bad parts about Japan that impact voters, like working culture et al are generally not seen as being an issue of the administration.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:17
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:Both. The South Korea Special, nice, ladies stay winning.
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Dec 24, 2021 02:17
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man i can't wait to see what happens to [south korean, united states] voter turnout after this and the years of total dogshit the president they put in has done
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Dec 24, 2021 02:27
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Pener Kropoopkin posted:I've thought about this way too much because it's a sensitive topic and I don't want to come off as some insensitive shithead. I think cultures have to be allowed to die in order for the broader society to move on to something better. From a while back, but thanks for indulging in philosophy chat mila kunis posted:the ussr was getting gorby-fied by that point and it took a few years for the real estate bubble to build up and wreck japan till date We had some Japanese exports, but they were considered inferior to European equivalents. Mostly things like toys and simple electronics
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Dec 24, 2021 02:28
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LimburgLimbo posted:That’s the other thing; despite the ideological issues of the LDP and Japanese politicians, reality is that life is good for most people. Everyone can walk the streets without fear, air is clean, cheap healthcare, etc. generally speaking everyone’s material needs have been and are still being met to the point people don’t want to shake things up and risk it getting worse. The generally bad parts about Japan that impact voters, like working culture et al are generally not seen as being an issue of the administration. it's telling that through all of this, none of these japan understanders have brought up the legitimately awful parts of japan that actually are upheld directly by the ruling elites' ideology. things like the abysmal/nonexistant state of mental health care. the atrocious state of child protective services, adoption and orphanages. sexual assault laws that probably date from the 12th century. systemic, institutionalized sexism at every level of society. the list goes on, but yeah, abe unsuccessfully repealing article 9 is really the defining aspect of what's wrong with japan.
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Dec 24, 2021 03:13
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The biggest problem with moving to Japan is it turns you into a weird bitter jerk?
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Dec 24, 2021 03:26
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Southpaugh posted:The biggest problem with moving to Japan is it turns Westerners into a weird bitter jerks
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Dec 24, 2021 03:33
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Probably all the disillusionment.
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Dec 24, 2021 03:52
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