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Farmer Crack-rear end posted:"Tired of Star Trek" is what Berman and Paramount were saying, the real underlying issue was that years of really lazy writing on Voyager put the franchise in a bad place. If Voyager had been a better show then maybe Enterprise could have gotten away with being what it was. Yeah, "franchise fatigue" was the excuse Berman gave for Enterprise's plummeting ratings and Nemesis going over about as well as a wet fart in the middle of church. It was bullshit. People weren't tired of Star Trek. They were tired of lovely Trek.
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Dec 23, 2021 02:16
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Big Mean Jerk posted:I’m sure at some point Gene answered this with a ten page essay about how Romulans gently caress constantly and that’s why Pon Farr only hits Vulcans. Can some historian please tell us how many fanfictions there are about painful Romulan pon farr and the wonderful resulting boners
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Dec 23, 2021 06:37
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Tighclops posted:I think it's more likely that Enterprise was the last newest piece of material they bothered looking up and that's why there are references to it all the time now Ah, so the same reason Nemesis was so prominent in PIC. It's the writers who are bad.
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Dec 23, 2021 10:35
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I'm just sad the NX-01 snow globe didn't have a little free-hovering realistic looking NX-01 with spinning nacelle caps I mean how cheap can you be when you have magic matter.
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Dec 23, 2021 10:43
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Programmable matter is like replicators on crack. I kinda feel like the writers are not imaginative enough to realize the level of duex machina they actually unleased.
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Dec 23, 2021 11:30
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Axe-man posted:Programmable matter is like replicators on crack. I kinda feel like the writers are not imaginative enough to realize the level of duex machina they actually unleased. The biggest issue is how omnipresently visible it should be and there should be programmable matter FX in the background of basically every single shot in various mundane uses but they can't do that for cost reasons.
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Dec 23, 2021 12:33
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MikeJF posted:The biggest issue is how omnipresently visible it should be and there should be programmable matter FX in the background of basically every single shot in various mundane uses but they can't do that for cost reasons. Detmer, Owo and Rhys are on screen a lot what are you talking about?
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Dec 23, 2021 12:39
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Discovery crew replaced with programmable matter to no longer distract from main character.
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Dec 23, 2021 13:53
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Axe-man posted:Discovery crew replaced with programmable matter to no longer distract from main character. Discovery crew reprogrammed by programmable matter to just me made up solely of Michaels Burnham.
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Dec 23, 2021 14:13
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Axe-man posted:Discovery crew replaced with programmable matter to no longer distract from main character. That would be a hell of a finale. The Big Bad is defeated, the future Federation is unified, and Discovery found a way to get home without disrupting the timeline. Michael beams, standing before the bridge with tears in her eyes. "We did it. Together, us, with the power of teamwork and love and the spirit of the Federation, we did it." Tilly smiles tightly, and melts away into cubes of programmable matter as Michael watches in horror. One by one, the rest of the bridge crew join Tilly's fate, until Michael is left alone on a giant bridge, camera spinning wildly.
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Dec 23, 2021 14:17
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There was a GI Joe episode that ended with loving melting replicants and it shattered my child mind
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Dec 23, 2021 16:33
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Drone posted:Ah, so the same reason Nemesis was so prominent in PIC. Occasionally I'll read the TVIV modern trek thread to see if there's any good news and read reasonable discussion about whatever's going on is there a german word for feeling vindicated somewhat but mostly very sad? Because that's always how it makes me feel
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Dec 23, 2021 22:46
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Schadenfreude.
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Dec 23, 2021 23:45
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Tighclops posted:Occasionally I'll read the TVIV modern trek thread to see if there's any good news and read reasonable discussion about whatever's going on
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Dec 23, 2021 23:45
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One indicator that I was probably a bit out of touch and that most people have moved on was that I was actually surprised that Memory Alpha hadn't had a civil war and kicked new trek content onto Memory Beta Also all this talk about Lower Decks the cartoon has reminded me that I bought The Animated Series on DVD years ago and never watched it.. gotta dust that sucker off..
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Dec 24, 2021 02:31
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LD makes a LOT of references to TAS.
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Dec 24, 2021 03:13
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What we really needed but will never get is a Sealab 2021/Space Ghost Coast to Coast-style appropriation of the TAS assets. Star Trek: The Re-Animated Series. Kirk is back as fifth Captain of the Enterprise (investigations and potential court martial suspended for the time being), and Spock is getting reaaally into jazz - like way more than T'pol ever was. Bones is done telling us the things he isn't and he's branching out his career in a major way.
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Dec 24, 2021 03:48
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gormless goblin posted:What we really needed but will never get is a Sealab 2021/Space Ghost Coast to Coast-style appropriation of the TAS assets. Star Trek: The Re-Animated Series. Kirk is back as fifth Captain of the Enterprise (investigations and potential court martial suspended for the time being), and Spock is getting reaaally into jazz - like way more than T'pol ever was. Bones is done telling us the things he isn't and he's branching out his career in a major way.
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Dec 24, 2021 03:54
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What are ya' making, a necklace?!
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Dec 24, 2021 04:58
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Do you want the mirror universe goatee on or off? Too bad.
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Dec 24, 2021 05:01
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gormless goblin posted:One indicator that I was probably a bit out of touch and that most people have moved on was that I was actually surprised that Memory Alpha hadn't had a civil war and kicked new trek content onto Memory Beta When the big maximum effort Star Trek conversion mod for Stellaris started incorporating Discovery and Picard content like it ain't no thang I knew I'd officially become (even more of) a curmudgeonly bastard. And I can live with it. I can live with it.
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Dec 24, 2021 05:17
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McSpanky posted:When the big maximum effort Star Trek conversion mod for Stellaris started incorporating Discovery and Picard content like it ain't no thang I knew I'd officially become (even more of) a curmudgeonly bastard.  why would you even want to if you don't have to? Discovery and Picard's new ships are hideous, they aren't even cool!!! 
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Dec 24, 2021 05:19
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I don't remember any of the ships showing up, but you can build spore drives as the Federation which makes warp completely pointless, even though Stellaris jump drives have a distance limit.
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Dec 24, 2021 05:29
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Grand Fromage posted:I don't remember any of the ships showing up, but you can build spore drives as the Federation which makes warp completely pointless, even though Stellaris jump drives have a distance limit. It's to boldy go, not just teleport everywhere willy nilly! 
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Dec 24, 2021 05:31
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gormless goblin posted:What we really needed but will never get is a Sealab 2021/Space Ghost Coast to Coast-style appropriation of the TAS assets. Star Trek: The Re-Animated Series. Kirk is back as fifth Captain of the Enterprise (investigations and potential court martial suspended for the time being), and Spock is getting reaaally into jazz - like way more than T'pol ever was. Bones is done telling us the things he isn't and he's branching out his career in a major way. Spock: Robot body? No way! That goes against the natural order. Kirk: Well, you'd have the strength of five men. Spock: I got that now! Sulu: Not five men, five Mugatos! But, since you're that strong, if you try to pet a tribble, you'd crush it.
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Dec 24, 2021 05:38
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All Star Trek is leaving Prime Video (in the US) and Hulu in January.
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Dec 24, 2021 06:59
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Winifred Madgers posted:Spock: Robot body? No way! That goes against the natural order. Oh no! Poor tribble! 
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Dec 24, 2021 09:14
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CPColin posted:Do you want the mirror universe goatee on or off? I appreciate this reference.
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Dec 24, 2021 09:18
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Edward Mass posted:All Star Trek is leaving Prime Video (in the US) and Hulu in January. And thusly to the high seas will I sail, for Paramount+ will never be my port of call
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Dec 24, 2021 11:27
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Winifred Madgers posted:Spock: Robot body? No way! That goes against the natural order. Mirror Chekov: I'm Mirror Chekov! Chekov: I'm regular Chekov!
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Dec 24, 2021 16:20
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Shut up and give Chekov some sex!
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Dec 24, 2021 16:32
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McSpanky posted:And thusly to the high seas will I sail, for Paramount+ will never be my port of call Yeah it's nice of them to give me a deadline for setting up a home media center
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Dec 24, 2021 17:34
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gormless goblin posted:One indicator that I was probably a bit out of touch and that most people have moved on was that I was actually surprised that Memory Alpha hadn't had a civil war and kicked new trek content onto Memory Beta Memory Beta's existence is especially humorous now given that recently Dayton Ward literally bulldozed the entire extended novelverse in an apparent fit of rage quote:The only solution that can stop the Devidians from moving on to collapse more stable timelines, including the Prime Timeline, is to completely undo the creation of this universe, called “The First Splinter.” That’s right: the entire novelverse timeline isn’t just destroyed, but is completely erased before it can even form, in a choice that even JJ Abrams and the Kelvin Timeline film team declined to make when they rebooted the franchise back in 2009.
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Dec 24, 2021 17:48
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Cross-Section posted:Memory Beta's existence is especially humorous now given that recently Dayton Ward literally bulldozed the entire extended novelverse in an apparent fit of rage Wow, that's some "taking my ball and going home" energy right there.
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Dec 24, 2021 17:58
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Cross-Section posted:Memory Beta's existence is especially humorous now given that recently Dayton Ward literally bulldozed the entire extended novelverse in an apparent fit of rage
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Dec 24, 2021 18:06
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Cross-Section posted:
I mean, spoiler alert, it's fiction, all of Star Trek explicitly never happened. I know that's not the point but the way that is phrased really stuck out to me.
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Dec 24, 2021 18:12
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Reminder that if you are a t-mobile customer on a postpaid plan, you can get a year of Paramount+ for free. Also, just buy the older series at this point, they are always going on sale.
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Dec 24, 2021 19:02
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Don't pay money for Star Trek when you can just steal it
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Cross-Section posted:Memory Beta's existence is especially humorous now given that recently Dayton Ward literally bulldozed the entire extended novelverse in an apparent fit of rage Eh, this isn't quite a fair characterization. Once CBS decided to go ahead with Picard, then Ward, Mack, et al. were told by Beyer that there wouldn't be any further Star Trek books commissioned that weren't part of the new continuity, so the novelverse was effectively dead then and there; they weren't going to pay for anything that wasn't in support of the shows they were currently airing. It was either "write a definitive conclusion to the novelverse" or "leave everything hanging and hope, years down the line, for the small chance you're allowed to pick it back up." And, personally, I now do think the latter would have been a better choice! I read Coda and, while there were some satisfying bits and neat moments, it is in large part depressingly hopeless. I'm not going to pretend the novelverse was close to perfect; it's sci-fi tie-in paperbacks, the fact that there was any good to it at all was remarkable. I was glad when I heard it was getting a conclusion after, effectively, four years of silence. But I didn't think it would be so bleak and mean, and if this is what we were getting, it would have been better to get nothing at all.
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