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I just googled a random league of legends money spent thread and so many of them are like 2k+ https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/63tfpb/survey_how_much_money_have_you_spent_on_league_of/
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Barudak posted:If you can, try to persevere to getting the rocket launcher. Thats the point where you finally have a reliable "gently caress off" button you can use in a battle anytime you need it and for a lot of people that+the super shotgun you get shortly after are the pieces needed to make the combat click. yeah I have both of those now, my problem is keybinds I think, because I keep getting in those fuckfuckfuck moments which I know is kind of the point, but I need to be able to quickly pull those things up. I have a side mouse button dedicated to the rocket launcher but I'm not used to using my mouse like that because I'm not really a HARDCORE GAMER so I guess I just have to learn but isn't that what life is about 
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Mouse buttons 4 and 5 are great in almost any FPS, since they let you perform actions without interfering with WASD. Once you get used to it you'll love it.
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Rutibex posted:no, games balanced around whales are shite and only good for wasting time. There can't be any skill element if it's a whale funded game counterpoint: mahjongsoul, where the gacha lootbox realmoney bit is just to gamble for different anime girl/boy jpegs to represent you in a normal-rear end multiplayer online mahjong game https://mahjongsoul.game.yo-star.com/ you can play as f2p just fine and completely ignore the realmoney gambling for jpegs, so you can get right into fake-internet-point gambling with tiles instead. but you'll be stuck with the default anime catgirl as your avatar forever
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Dec 31, 2021 06:27
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Devils Affricate posted:Mouse buttons 4 and 5 are great in almost any FPS, since they let you perform actions without interfering with WASD. Once you get used to it you'll love it. Yeah, I used a MX512 for decades and upgraded to a G502 a while back and all the buttons have always been really nice for FPS. I never assign jump or any of that poo poo like some weirdos I know, but weapon swap and stuff is nice to have right next to your thumb. Also I really like being able to adjust the DPI with that third thumb button on the G502.
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:counterpoint: mahjongsoul, where the gacha lootbox realmoney bit is just to gamble for different anime girl/boy jpegs to represent you in a normal-rear end multiplayer online mahjong game Flawed monetization model. Who is going to spend money on skins when you start with the anime catgirl for free???
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Dec 31, 2021 06:38
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Devils Affricate posted:Seeing gachas as a "tax the rich" system is a pretty hilarious take. The whales for these games are children with access to their parents' credit cards and people with depression, not CEOs lol Failsons of rich parents (saudi oil princes and the like) are a big audience for that kind of whale-milking game though. Like in this 2013 article about a once-#1-in-the-world clash of clans player: https://www.nytimes.com/2013/12/22/technology/master-of-his-virtual-domain.html posted:There was a price, however, for being the world’s premier Clasher. Part of it was measurable. To stay on top, Mr. Yao was spending at least $250 a week on the gems. By the time he had dominated the leader board for three months, he told me, he had sunk as much as $3,000 into Clash and was running out of money. He feared that he couldn’t keep up with wealthier rivals and threatened to quit. quote:In time, he found another, simpler way to shield himself. When a member of North 44 would quit the game, Mr. Yao would take over his account. Then Mr. Yao would use one of his multiple accounts to attack himself when he needed a shield. In order to pull this off, though, he had to keep all of these other accounts highly ranked, which meant playing as many as five accounts at the same time, around the clock. Another wealthy clan member in the United Arab Emirates bought Mr. Yao three iPads to make this feasible — but even then, it was feasible only in the technical sense. At one point, he was bringing five iPads into the shower with him, each wrapped in a plastic bag, so that none of his accounts would go inactive. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 06:45 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:counterpoint: mahjongsoul, where the gacha lootbox realmoney bit is just to gamble for different anime girl/boy jpegs to represent you in a normal-rear end multiplayer online mahjong game Still predatory. That's the loving thing. "Oh I don't care about anime girls". So loving what? Like good for you, way to be "better" than the people who do care and do become addicted to gambling for them. It's just cosmetics  !Oh and for your information City of Heroes would have been so much worse without its character creator. Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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drat I guess if it happened once then everyone wasting money on gacha must be loaded.
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Duck and Cover posted:Still predatory. That's the loving thing. "Oh I don't care about anime girls". So loving what? Like good for you, way to be better than the people who do care and do become addicted to gambling for them. It's just cosmetics I completely agree that it's still predatory. My point is that it's possible to make a game that's still "competitively fair" while being focused on milking people with gambling addictions for hundreds/thousands. Not that it's a healthy or ethical business model. Overwatch would be another option with its dumb seasonal FOMO lootboxes. I bet you can find people who blew hundreds of bucks on lootbox rng trying to get that one cool time-limited halloween skin that they wanted before it disappeared and became unavailable. But the realmoney bits don't affect the actual (bad) gameplay at all. RPATDO_LAMD fucked around with this message at 06:49 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:I completely agree that it's still predatory. Oh you think so? You think prep time being so high is just to prepare and not just admire skins? What about the play of the game showing off cool skins? Are victory posses necessary towards the game? Nope. The games awfully slow what with shield effects and escapes, which just so happens to allow you more time to look at skins (a stretch sure but it's Blizzard I'd belief it). Duck and Cover fucked around with this message at 06:55 on Dec 31, 2021 |
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Dec 31, 2021 06:52
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Failsons of rich parents (saudi oil princes and the like) are a big audience for that kind of whale-milking game though. this is too funny
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Duck and Cover posted:Oh you think so? You think prep time being so high is just to prepare and not just admire skins? How about being advertised skins by seeing them all the time. What about the play of the game showing off cool skins? are you having a stroke am I having a stroke? i can't read this at all
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If you think about it Overwatch is just a gacha game 
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:are you having a stroke I'm calling setup time prep time as I didn't remember its actually name. Anyway what I'm saying is f2p is poison and does affect gameplay in pretty much all examples.
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oh i see what you mean let me clarify: the amount of money an individual player spends (or doesn't spend) doesn't affect the gameplay at all, so it's not p2w the decision by the developer to monetize in X or Y way absolutely affects game development and can make things different/worse
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Dec 31, 2021 06:59
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I think anyone who complains about Pay to Win games should simply earn more money.
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games with monetization in general shouldn't be avaliable to children. other than that, it may be seen as callous or cruel to say this, but lol if you expect me to feel pity for people capable of dropping 2000 USD on a game and still be able to pay all their bills on time. gachas are gambling, and gambling should be regulated, but a lot of people like to gamble and that's fine. better for their gambling to fund enjoyable games for millions of non-paying players than have it go entirely to casino owners pockets
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a sudsy chinese dude in the shower trying not to drop five ipads with his phone outside the shower all buzzing with messages of him getting pressured by arabian beavis and butthead to do good at a phone game, all "where r u? th;ier attacking. hello?????" while's trying to pick up a bar of soap on the bottom of the tub with his other hand. it slides out of his hands each time he grabs it. finally gets the soap and stands up, catches the reflection of himself clutching five ipads in gladbags to his chest. bawls, weeps, curses. drops the soap, slips on it. million dollar babies it. no one visits him in the hospital
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also, thank you MMP for the avatar, that's incredibly kind and cool of you. didn't expect that at all
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:oh i see what you mean Even skins can serve as camouflaged and that fraction of second for people to identify what character your playing is still an advantage. I get it though like there's a difference between paying for +1 to gun dps and skins but really I'm not sure it matters when most developers aren't going to be satisfied with just selling you a hat when they can sell you a hat, some pants, and this cool limited edition ascot. Capitalism demands more money. Beartaco posted:I think anyone who complains about Pay to Win games should simply earn more money. Earn money? Like from stocks? I assure you the number goes up.
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kntfkr posted:a sudsy chinese dude in the shower trying not to drop five ipads with his phone outside the shower all buzzing with messages of him getting pressured by arabian beavis and butthead to do good at a phone game, all "where r u? th;ier attacking. hello?????" while's trying to pick up a bar of soap on the bottom of the tub with his other hand. it slides out of his hands each time he grabs it. finally gets the soap and stands up, catches the reflection of himself clutching five ipads in gladbags to his chest. bawls, weeps, curses. drops the soap, slips on it. million dollar babies it. no one visits him in the hospital hes philadelphian
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AFancyQuestionMark posted:also, thank you MMP for the avatar, that's incredibly kind and cool of you. didn't expect that at all 
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:are you having a stroke are you ever not having a stroke?
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RPATDO_LAMD posted:Failsons of rich parents (saudi oil princes and the like) are a big audience for that kind of whale-milking game though. I know there are examples of that happening and they make the news because they're extraordinary and fun to laugh at, but the vast majority of gacha revenue comes from regular(-ish, I guess) people. Meme Poker Party posted:Flawed monetization model. Who is going to spend money on skins when you start with the anime catgirl for free??? Oh come on. You of all people should understand the importance of having a rare/esoteric waifu.
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QuarkJets posted:are you ever not having a stroke? Stroking right now.
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Re: whales, when I worked at a big ol vidya game company around 2009, an oil sheik blew thousands every week on one of the dumbest games and the company set up easy wire transfer features specifically for him, plus the model of most of the games were similar and also bad. You all have heard of the one I worked on (shiek dude wasn't mine) but it was inescapable on Facebook for a few years Seeing the target audience and how money draining the algorithms were, gating the player for microtransactions etc was sometimes heartbreaking almost
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Monetisation in games seems weirdly easy if you just ignore complaints (and morals I guess). Every gamer hates microtransactions but a lot of money is made in it. Gacha games make fistfuls. You also see a weird thing about FOMO in time gated content. Let's say Fortnite (as a random game) offers a skin but you need to buy it on one of three specific days. If you don't you miss out. It's purely cosmetic and doesn't effect the game at all, but people hate the idea on the basis that you are limiting what they can get on arbitrary reasons. Hence the FOMO. And while I don't personally understand it (I don't think I've ever paid for a cosmetic item in my life) I do understand it academically. The real point is people hate this practice and still spend fistfuls to get these items on the basis of missing out forever. It's interesting I think.
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People can understand something is bad for them and then lack the fortitude to resist it, its just funnier when its "cute outfits for your polygonal wife" versus heroin.
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I started dropping games the moment they started doing this insufferable you gotta do dailies!11 poo poo. Like holy poo poo no thanks, I can live my life without games if needs be, what a loving lovely trend.
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Games with buyable skins or whatever are all gambling for broke brained idiots and children (who will grow up to be broken brain idiots), and if you even slightly enjoy them, you're being targeted by mind destroying advertisement and probably should stay away from anything at all actually addictive.
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satanic splash-back posted:Games with buyable skins or whatever are all gambling for broke brained idiots and children (who will grow up to be broken brain idiots), and if you even slightly enjoy them, you're being targeted by mind destroying advertisement and probably should stay away from anything at all actually addictive. Literally the only thing worse than games with micro transactions is a moba with micro transactions or dlc or whatever, because they aren't even games, just a way for computers to actively make heat
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Its all just video games in the end, all equally useless and meaningless. If you can get you through your horrible life for another day then its worth whatever money you feel like paying.
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I like playing trash games but I'll never spend realmoney on gacha or lootboxes anything more complicated than "pay 25bux and get the dlc zone to go play more videogame in"
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Devils Affricate posted:Seeing gachas as a "tax the rich" system is a pretty hilarious take. The whales for these games are children with access to their parents' credit cards and people with depression, not CEOs lol Also who is getting the "tax" if not even richer people. Gambling in all forms is absolutely disgusting, categorically inexcusable and all its facilitators should be summarily shot and buried in a ditch in Minecraft.
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steinrokkan posted:Also who is getting the "tax" if not even richer people. the "tax" is used to improve, develop and maintain the game for the benefit of the vast majority of non-whale players like myself. also obvious the rich CEOs, publishers and shareholders which is bad, but that's just the way it works with every product a lot of people get to have fun without spending any money, while a much smaller portion of people get to have fun while spending money they would probably spend on other forms of gambling/addiction/empty consumerism anyway sure, it's predatory, but so is almost every other business model, and here the prey are only a miniscule subset of users so 
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You're conflating how much % comes from a small subset of users, the whales, with how many users are being preyed on. If you don't think these games hit everyone including the poor people you either never heard of gambling/lotto or you never paid attention to their target demographics. The people contributing the least are also being hit the hardest.
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Elentor posted:You're conflating how much % comes from a small subset of users, the whales, with how many users are being preyed on. Yes, it really is a profoundly ignorant and tasteless argument.
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For most gatcha titles a small fraction spend money, talking sub 5% The problem is, of those 5%, some of them are the people going broke spending 20,000 usd on FIFA ultimate team trading cards and not a rich saudi billionaire failson who has never owned a piece of clothing worth less than a grand. In an ideal world only the super rich would be blowing money and the system would work properly as a income based payment plan, but its not and people with unacknowledged gambling problems are being taken for a ride.
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