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pokeyman posted:Can I ask a possibly stupid question and obviously you don't have to answer: was the middle-of-covid kid intentional and did you consider holding off? It sounds like, in retrospect, delaying might've been better for y'all. Not answering for them, but I had a kid in the middle of covid. I have a teenager but it’s her first. My SO isn’t getting any younger, we were in a “now or maybe never” scenario, and we decided to do it now. Even if it wasn’t “never”, covid is likely lower risk than waiting a couple years and the birth complications age bring. She’s also in public sector and was able to take a lot of time off, which financially was more viable because covid led to us saving money. There is never a right time to have kids, or rather, there is always a reason to delay having a child.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:40
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pokeyman posted:Can I ask a possibly stupid question and obviously you don't have to answer: was the middle-of-covid kid intentional and did you consider holding off? It sounds like, in retrospect, delaying might've been better for y'all. Perfectly reasonable question actually. COVID kid was intentional. We always planned to have two kids and time was ticking away. Every year the medical outcomes for everybody get worse and worse so it was a real gamble. We figured the ~society~ would figure it out. We were wrong and kid two was born last February. Whoops! She’s great, no regrets about having her, but the stark “what did we do” moments we expected in their adulthood around climate change arrived sooner and for a different reason.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:43
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I've got a kid that just turned two. I'd actually say this is the perfect time age/development wise that the chaos of covid could be for them. Not in school, and not a big circle of friends to hang with. Hopefully just daycare and parents, which is basically what would happen anyways. In a year or two more, then the real hardships happen - I've got friends with older kids that I take pity on with the constant open/close of schools.
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Jan 1, 2022 19:50
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Happy new year everyone, stay safe
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Jan 1, 2022 20:16
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Whatever. We deserve what’s happening to us. gently caress Canada. Death to Canada! Should old acquaintance beeee forgot, and neeeever brought to miiiiiind, should old acquaintance beeee forgot, and days of auld lang syyyyne....
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Jan 1, 2022 20:24
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If you say 'China' three times into a mirror at midnight, Ron Paul Atreides appears behind you and accuses you of demonising Xi
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Jan 1, 2022 20:39
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the self loathing in this thread is reaching all time case counts
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Jan 1, 2022 20:43
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I was an essential worker during the pandemic and now I wish china would invade canada and civilize this country. cuba can come too they seem pretty chill then they can lock up all the D&D thread regulars so you can yell AVEEEENGE MEEEEE at your covid children through the concentration camp's chain link fence I don't really wish anything bad for you
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Jan 1, 2022 20:46
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Alctel posted:If you say 'China' three times into a mirror at midnight, Ron Paul Atreides appears behind you and accuses you of demonising Xi Really, it’s how you know you’re “in.”
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Jan 1, 2022 20:56
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Our public service has no method, plan, or capacity to keep things functioning without just letting business go on as usual as much as possible, even knowing this will exacerbate the crisis. We use to have plans, we used to stock pile, we used to have contingencies, there is a type of monster called a dipshit with an MBA that ruined all that...
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Jan 1, 2022 21:16
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apatheticman posted:We use to have plans, we used to stock pile, we used to have contingencies, there is a type of monster called a dipshit with an MBA that ruined all that... Precisely. Somewhere down the line everything became about “cutting waste” and we basically got rid of everything that wasn’t nailed down in the name of “savings”. The end result is that the one time we need all our emergency planning, we were caught totally unprepared. Never forget also that our politicians are routinely getting angry calls from wealthy business interests whose profits are being hurt by lockdowns. It never made sense to me why a small privately owned store for example has to close while a Wal-Mart can stay open. But that’s when I realized the Waltons can call a cabinet minister and make clear demands while that small store owner gets a staffer who gives them a boiler plate response and a runaround.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:25
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unknown posted:I've got a kid that just turned two. I'd actually say this is the perfect time age/development wise that the chaos of covid could be for them. Not in school, and not a big circle of friends to hang with. Hopefully just daycare and parents, which is basically what would happen anyways. Yeah we’re very lucky the eldest is just missing daycare and preschool days. poo poo could be way worse.
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Jan 1, 2022 21:33
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Ron Paul Atreides posted:Yeah, whatever you loving say. Predictable. Delusional cope. Who said any government cared lol
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Jan 1, 2022 21:36
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Faffel posted:Who said any government cared lol Their care levels seem to increase quite drastically if you're a tennis star that accuses one of their party bigwigs of rape, or a doctor who blows the whistle on a strange new respiratory syndrome you've encountered
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Jan 1, 2022 21:41
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If there's one thing China is very good at doing that's been serving them well, it's controlling the message. Both for COVID or any other subject, really. Too bad it comes with suppressing anything about Tiananmen Square, Uyghur genocide, Hong Kong democratic rights and other gross human rights violations. Instead, we have social media, free speech and the liberty of getting your medical advice from youtubers. We couldn't possibly censor those, that'd be suppressing the free market of ideas and depriving poor social media giants of potential revenue!
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Jan 2, 2022 01:02
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Jan posted:If there's one thing China is very good at doing that's been serving them well, it's controlling the message. Both for COVID or any other subject, really. Too bad it comes with suppressing anything about Tiananmen Square, Uyghur genocide, Hong Kong democratic rights and other gross human rights violations. lol cope
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Jan 2, 2022 01:46
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Jan posted:If there's one thing China is very good at doing that's been serving them well, it's controlling the message. Both for COVID or any other subject, really. Too bad it comes with suppressing anything about Tiananmen Square, Uyghur genocide, Hong Kong democratic rights and other gross human rights violations. Yes, the only reason we have that evil free speech thing is because of revenue. You cracked the code there. Meanwhile please imagine a movement like BLM happening in China.
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Jan 2, 2022 01:49
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Madkal posted:Yes, the only reason we have that evil free speech thing is because of revenue. You cracked the code there. Meanwhile please imagine a movement like BLM happening in China. I’m not pro China or anything but Chinese police don’t harass black people for existing like American police do. There wouldn’t need to be a movement there for BLM. An 1848 style liberal movement however is far more likely if not for the economic growth and political suppression tactics. China has the entire country on lockdown with their surveillance, firewall, social credit and political police system. Nobody can rebel against poo poo and most people wouldn’t want to anyway because even the poor are seeing their economic fortunes increase year over year. As long as that growth persists nobody is gonna complain. The Chinese government will do anything possible to sustain that. Similarly when we look back at previous liberal revolutions they’ve always been preceded by periods of famine and economic malaise.
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Jan 2, 2022 02:17
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Maybe all systems that rely on unfair power hierarchies are bad.
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Jan 2, 2022 02:38
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What does a fair hierarchy look like to you
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Jan 2, 2022 02:45
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Kraftwerk posted:I’m not pro China or anything but Chinese police don’t harass black people for existing like American police do. There wouldn’t need to be a movement there for BLM. "Chinese police don't harass [minority groups]" is not really an argument I would make, my dude. Poodlebear posted:What does a fair hierarchy look like to you Any voluntary system of leadership? If the pandemic has proven anything, it's that it's actually quite necessary and in fact good for there to be leaders who provide leadership in some situations, because in a lot of cases we can't rely on a large group of individuals all independently coming to the correct choice for the common good. Leadership should always be subject to review and oversight, but hierarchy can be a good thing.
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Jan 2, 2022 03:03
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Poodlebear posted:What does a fair hierarchy look like to you Maybe they're anarchists? Anyway, I always look to this thread for the freshest, most learned takes on Sino-Global relations.
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Jan 2, 2022 03:03
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infernal machines posted:Anyway, I always look to this thread for the freshest, most learned takes on Sino-Global relations. Maybe we can get some of the climate threads excess moderation or something.
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Jan 2, 2022 03:13
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Canada, again, takes a back seat on the world stage
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Jan 2, 2022 03:22
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Makes a lot of sense, thanks y’all.
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Jan 2, 2022 06:17
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Poodlebear posted:What does a fair hierarchy look like to you One with better representation for marginalized groups and doesn't split social programs between municipal, provincial and federal as an excuse to underfund social programs that would literally boost the economy and cause less suffering. but if I were able to articulate it better id be writing a book...
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Jan 2, 2022 06:33
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infernal machines posted:Maybe they're anarchists?
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Jan 2, 2022 07:06
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Mr. Apollo posted:An anarcho-syndicalist commune where members take turns to act as a sort of executive officer for the week. are we talking about plural systems again
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Jan 2, 2022 07:16
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TheCenturion posted:I mean, the Chinese government isn’t terribly worried about “the public good” so much as loss of productivity and possible civil unrest. I believe China's pursuit of effective covid handling is due to a belief in the public good. They've been repeatedly shown ready to sacrifice "productivity" (completely shutting down major shipping and production hubs and willing to deal with major supply chain disruptions if necessary) while trying to aim for covid zero. e: the recent outbreak in Xi'an is pretty illustrative, from CSPAM: quote:chinese cities dont get locked down for no good reason post wuhan. the officials who hosed it up were held accountable and turfed out: https://www.cp24.com/world/chinese-officials-punished-over-covid-outbreak-that-led-to-xi-an-lockdown-1.5719034. also from that article: quote:China's aggressive COVID-fighting approach has crimped domestic travel and consumer spending, and caused occasional localized industrial disruptions. Here's another response from 2020 that I remember: https://twitter.com/EricTopol/status/1329183603448680448 I think the notion that a country that's invested so much into effective contact tracing, is able to mobilize and administer 10 million tests in one city in the space of a single week, and take hits to the economy to actually try and squash outbreaks isn't interested in "the public good" is as someone else said, purestrain cope. mila kunis fucked around with this message at 09:58 on Jan 2, 2022 |
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Jan 2, 2022 09:31
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Arivia posted:are we talking about plural systems again No, we’re making Monty Python references.
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Jan 2, 2022 16:29
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mila kunis posted:
Sorry, you’re willing to look at the totality of Chinese public policy, legal systems, civil liberties, and conclude that because they’re doing lots of contact tracing, I.e. leveraging their surveillance systems, they’re all about the needs of the citizenry? Also, define “cope” in this context, please.
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Jan 2, 2022 17:54
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TheCenturion posted:Sorry, you’re willing to look at the totality of Chinese public policy, legal systems, civil liberties, and conclude that because they’re doing lots of contact tracing, I.e. leveraging their surveillance systems, they’re all about the needs of the citizenry? Yes. quote:Also, define “cope” in this context, please. Posts like yours.
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Jan 2, 2022 18:47
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 Gee I wish we had some of them concentration camps
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Jan 2, 2022 18:53
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How to tell you are in the D&D can pol thread.
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Jan 2, 2022 19:45
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mila kunis posted:Yes. Thank you for the confirmation that you have nothing of value to contribute.
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Jan 2, 2022 20:20
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TheCenturion posted:Thank you for the confirmation that you have nothing of value to contribute. IDK their post seemed to be more researched and had a point compared to yours.
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Jan 2, 2022 21:16
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I guy I know, who's a wealthy realtor in the Ottawa area, has recently started posting a bunch of vague, "2022 is going to be the year that people wake up and stand up to tyranny" type stuff, and talking about how it's martial law in Canada. Just two weeks ago or so, he was reposting Rogan stuff to his instagram and I thought, jeez I hope this doesn't mean anything sinister. It's really gross and disconcerting to see how quickly the pipeline can suck people in, and I'm not sure how to (or if I even should) try to deradicalize this guy. The other fun thing is he's posting this from the beach in Mexico, so it's vacation shots interspersed with QAnon adjacent crap
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Jan 2, 2022 21:23
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TheCenturion posted:Thank you for the confirmation that you have nothing of value to contribute. "China places productivity over the public good and squashing covid" is a ridiculous assertion with plenty of evidence suggesting otherwise, and I gave concrete examples. Your post was a moronic non sequitur and I gave it the response it deserved.
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Jan 2, 2022 21:34
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MNIMWA posted:I guy I know, who's a wealthy realtor in the Ottawa area, has recently started posting a bunch of vague, "2022 is going to be the year that people wake up and stand up to tyranny" type stuff, and talking about how it's martial law in Canada. Just two weeks ago or so, he was reposting Rogan stuff to his instagram and I thought, jeez I hope this doesn't mean anything sinister. It's really gross and disconcerting to see how quickly the pipeline can suck people in, and I'm not sure how to (or if I even should) try to deradicalize this guy.
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Jan 2, 2022 22:16
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Freedom is when I can go to the local Tim Hortons maskless and vaccless and mouthbreathe all over the employees while I buy my triple triple.
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