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Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Main Paineframe posted:

On the subject of journalism specifically...

I'd say the overall impact is negative, because of a factor even more fundamental: the ability to know exactly how many people were interested enough to look at any given article, exactly how many people read through the whole article, and exactly how many people decided to send the article to someone else.

Of course, it's been possible to kind of estimate that by looking at paper sales or TV viewership at particular times. But the data online is far more granular, and breaks down to the specific article level. That really has an impact on the incentive structure of news, driving things toward clickbait, misleading headlines, and controversial opinion pieces.

Combine that with the ability to publish instantly at any time of the day, without even waiting for the 7pm news, and reporters are incentivized to rush in a constant battle for scoops and rumors that might get people stirred up.



On the subject of news as a whole, it's a mixed bag. It breaks our dependence on well-funded mainstream news organizations, which can be both a blessing (see: much better info about police shootings) and a curse (conspiracy alt-media can click-farm even better than mainstream news).

On top of this, one fundamental problem with tech is that the model for paying salaries to good investigative reporters has been severely disrupted. There definitely seems to have been a push towards alternative models, but it's not clear to me whether you can get the same quality of reporting by e.g. funding it via Patreon. (And see also the the issues with clickbait -- Jordan loving Peterson was making $1M/year from his Patreon at one stage.)

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Konstantin
Jun 20, 2005
And the Lord said, "Look, they are one people, and they have all one language; and this is only the beginning of what they will do; nothing that they propose to do will now be impossible for them.
There's a big difference between unreliable patreon/substack money and stable full time employment with benefits and the backing of a large organization.

Wallet
Jun 19, 2006

Arsenic Lupin posted:

(A) because federal law (they have to have hands on the piece of paper) and
(B) because pharmacies are wildly understaffed and the pharmacist is run off their feet filling prescriptions and wrangling insurance for actual customers.

hobbesmaster posted:

In the US they can do that for everything except schedule 2. Most effective ADHD medicine (stimulants) are schedule 2 and for some reason paper prescriptions are the standard for the “highest risk” drugs.

They can use e-fax poo poo now, the services they use to do that (based on talking to some doctors) cost $$$, though, so doctors operating on their own and smaller offices often don't want to pay for it.

My doctor started sending scripts electronically about a year ago which allows them to send multiple prescriptions that are post-dated after each appointment so they're waiting at the pharmacy when I need to fill them which has made my life less of a pain in the rear end. They still can't be transferred between pharmacies, but if one pharmacy has a stocking issue I can just call the doctor's office and have them send a new one to a different pharmacy instead of having to pick up a paper one. Could be worth trying to find a doctor that can do this if you're having issues with it.

peej
Apr 10, 2009

Jasper Tin Neck posted:

It's a mixed bag. On one hand, your information is no longer controlled by what the dozen old farts controlling your locally available news outlets deem important, for better or worse, but on the other hand the stranglehold Google and Facebook have on ads has obliterated the revenues of many media outlets, particularly local ones.

The rising relative cost of labor and the lower cost of distribution has also meant that original reporting has given way to lazy recycling of content. The largest newspaper in this country struck a deal with the Wall Street Journal and now a lot of the content of the business & economy pages feels oddly familiar – because I've read it in English yesterday.

In effect, all the world's news are at your fingertips, but at the same time all the world's news has become much more homogenised and consolidated.

This is a huge problem IMO. Local reporting is really limited these days and focuses on the cheap-to-produce stuff like weather, COVID case updates, and high school sports scores. Instead people spend their time obsessing over the national political day to day and apply those national storylines to the limited local stories they have exposure to.

Baronash
Feb 29, 2012

So what do you want to be called?

Mister Facetious posted:

Also gently caress applying the just in time shipping model to every industry whether it's a good idea when an emergency strikes or not.

I don't understand the obsession with Just in Time as the root of all supply chain woes. We're two years into a worldwide event that has generated massive consumer demand for products instead of tourism and services, an event that, coincidentally, causes major production and shipping disruptions. We're well past the point where One Weird Inventory System (Manufacturers Hate Him!)™ could have prevented what we're seeing.

Interesting to note that, at least to some extent, we're actually seeing the exact opposite. Manufacturers are overordering raw materials and components because of the uncertainty, which is increasing the severity of shortages.

Baronash fucked around with this message at 17:30 on Jan 5, 2022

Watermelon Daiquiri
Jul 10, 2010
I TRIED TO BAIT THE TXPOL THREAD WITH THE WORLD'S WORST POSSIBLE TAKE AND ALL I GOT WAS THIS STUPID AVATAR.
Buffers are generally Good

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Lead out in cuffs posted:

On top of this, one fundamental problem with tech is that the model for paying salaries to good investigative reporters has been severely disrupted. There definitely seems to have been a push towards alternative models, but it's not clear to me whether you can get the same quality of reporting by e.g. funding it via Patreon. (And see also the the issues with clickbait -- Jordan loving Peterson was making $1M/year from his Patreon at one stage.)
ProPublica.org is a nonprofit investigative newsroom that has broken multiple important stories, many of them local. They've won six Pulitzer Prizes, five Peabody Awards, nine George Polk Awards, two DuPont Columbia Awards and four Emmy Awards. They're on my annual charity list.

Toss a coin to your snitcher.

Watermelon Daiquiri posted:

Buffers are generally Good

Unless you use printf() or sprintf().

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!
Ignore the reddit link, but as expected Musk's RGB gamer tunnels....have traffic jams:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/rxd3ns/lol_elon_musks_boring_company_has_traffic_jams_i/


It still blows my mind that they're allowed to open those tunnels to the public. Did they get an exemption for fire safety laws? There is ZERO way to get out of them safely in the event of an accident. Death trap waiting to happen.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Crain posted:

Ignore the reddit link, but as expected Musk's RGB gamer tunnels....have traffic jams:

https://www.reddit.com/r/fuckcars/comments/rxd3ns/lol_elon_musks_boring_company_has_traffic_jams_i/


It still blows my mind that they're allowed to open those tunnels to the public. Did they get an exemption for fire safety laws? There is ZERO way to get out of them safely in the event of an accident. Death trap waiting to happen.

Like, everyone predicted this was going to happen. Everyone. There's never been a scenario with vehicles like cars that didn't result in a traffic jam.

They should've just built a subway.

WAR CRIME GIGOLO
Oct 3, 2012

The Hague
tryna get me
for these glutes

I for one enjoy our new battery in tube method of transportation. I also enjoy the fact that I can finally drive a subway car.


CommieGIR posted:

Like, everyone predicted this was going to happen. Everyone. There's never been a scenario with vehicles like cars that didn't result in a traffic jam.

They should've just built a subway.

I don't trust Musk to run a subway. He would be constantly trying to cut costs on the black olives and onions

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

CommieGIR posted:

Like, everyone predicted this was going to happen. Everyone. There's never been a scenario with vehicles like cars that didn't result in a traffic jam.

They should've just built a subway.

A subway is public transport, even if you charge a huge cost. You still end up having to be near OTHER PEOPLE! Which is the entire point of what the "hyperloop" and tunnel project started with: Musk wanted a private highway/tunnel system from his house to the closest airport so he never had to see another person.

Also lol that their original plan of "the AI will drive you so ensure that everything runs smoothly" but their AI can't reliably pilot a car in the most optimal environment possible.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

CommieGIR posted:

They should've just built a subway.

a subway doesn't make sense for an in-facilty people mover. at this scale we're talking something like a moving walkway, like you'd see in an airport. the LVCC system is only like a half mile long at most. LVCC went with the musk tunnels because its flashy and the incentives for a convention center are different from a city. having the tesla system is the kind of neat but pointless bullshit people love at expos like CES, which is one of the crown jewels of the expo calendar and something LVCC wants to keep hang of

las vegas conditionally approved the expansion of the tunnels with one major condition - the city doesn't have to pay for the system. boring company is going to pay for the tunnels to civic locations, and they're going to hit up the various casinos on the strip to pay for stations at their properties. i've got no idea how this passes review from a fire safety perspective because as noted, the loop system is a death trap

Crain posted:

Also lol that their original plan of "the AI will drive you so ensure that everything runs smoothly" but their AI can't reliably pilot a car in the most optimal environment possible.

im not sure if the AI is capable of doing it or not, but regardless, the city requires human safety drivers for the time being

Mr. Fall Down Terror fucked around with this message at 17:05 on Jan 6, 2022

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug
Yeah, I dread when the first fire happens. Those tunnels are going to become a tomb.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:


im not sure if the AI is capable of doing it or not, but regardless, the city requires human safety drivers for the time being

I saw an article stating that before official opening, on the "test days" where they were still trying the AI it wasn't able to reliably pilot the cars at the initially advertised 90mph, it couldn't even do it at reasonable high way speeds and their best test had the AI barely managing the task at 35 mph.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
you don't want to get up to highway speeds in those tunnels without a guideway anyway (what happened to the guideway from the prototype? it was very disneyworld) but the presence of AI is really the least stupid part of this system. plenty of existing heavy rail systems around the world are automation/AI capable, but for various safety and union reasons human drivers are prevalent. the biggest problem is, how do you ensure the embarkation/debarkation process is complete before you close the doors and start the vehicle? you can set up a gate and sensor system, or the driver can just lean out the window

the stupidest thing from a comedy perspective is that the embarkation platform is just a parking lot where the vehicles park around willy-nilly, this trashes throughput and efficiency but its about the best you can expect when your system is a stealth showfloor for private vehicles rather than sensibly using a train

the stupidest thing from a tragedy perspective are the tunnels drilled too narrowly for proper ventilation, emergency egress, or other safety measures

Magic Hate Ball
May 6, 2007

ha ha ha!
you've already paid for this
I can't find it, but there's a funny report of the feedback from testers who used the tunnel which basically amounts to "I wish the cars were bigger, and easier to get into, and could seat more people, and maybe link a few up together so they can all go at once".

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

you don't want to get up to highway speeds in those tunnels without a guideway anyway (what happened to the guideway from the prototype? it was very disneyworld) but the presence of AI is really the least stupid part of this system. plenty of existing heavy rail systems around the world are automation/AI capable, but for various safety and union reasons human drivers are prevalent. the biggest problem is, how do you ensure the embarkation/debarkation process is complete before you close the doors and start the vehicle? you can set up a gate and sensor system, or the driver can just lean out the window

In reality, yes, the advertised speeds were always laughable. But another big problem with Musk's system is that he refuses to use anything but machine vision for his driving AI. Other autonomous vehicles use lidar, radar, MV, and any other visualization tech they can for the simple reason that they work and machines can take advantage of them quite well to do their jobs.

But Musk's big braim says "Humans can drive with two eyes so our car will TOO!".

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Magic Hate Ball posted:

I can't find it, but there's a funny report of the feedback from testers who used the tunnel which basically amounts to "I wish the cars were bigger, and easier to get into, and could seat more people, and maybe link a few up together so they can all go at once".

You'll have to call them 'pods' to get Elon involved.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sWvagC5ccyY

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane

CommieGIR posted:

Yeah, I dread when the first fire happens. Those tunnels are going to become a tomb.

Very Boromir voice: "this is no subway, it's a tomb!"


Crain posted:

In reality, yes, the advertised speeds were always laughable. But another big problem with Musk's system is that he refuses to use anything but machine vision for his driving AI. Other autonomous vehicles use lidar, radar, MV, and any other visualization tech they can for the simple reason that they work and machines can take advantage of them quite well to do their jobs.

But Musk's big braim says "Humans can drive with two eyes so our car will TOO!".

Yeah, it's especially ridiculous because we know that even human vision, which we are evolved to process in very convenient ways in our brain, is pretty poo poo and we have tons and tons of technology to make up for its shortfalls.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
the entire loop system is just a series of downward compromises as musk's vision keeps battering itself against cold reality until he ends up recreating technology which has already existed for decades

the loop prototype from this video is basically an AGT system but then they ditched even that and its just taxis in tunnels now

of all of musk's halfass visionary revelations, i think loop fandom is the most niche and most obvious of someone lost to reality - anyone looking at this and seeing innovation is incapable of mentally sorting good ideas from bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WQn-D-i5lyM

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!
Honestly surprised he didn't just buy an omni-mover system from Disney and slap some fancy bubble cars on top with RGB and touch screens full of ads and call it a day.

Seriously, the "People Mover" from TomorrowLand is a more efficient public transit system than the current iteration of the Musk Tunnel.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy
that would be the sensible thing to do if he was an honest grifter. the problem with elon musk is he sniffs his own bullshit, he's an ideas guy who hasn't read a book in decades and has no idea his vision for the future is squarely from 1961

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!
It's literally not a joke either:

People Mover hourly capacity: 4, 885 guests an hour
Las Vegas Loop hourly capacity: 4,400 guests per hour*.



*This is the stated "goal" capacity with full cars every trip so it's actually less.

withak
Jan 15, 2003


Fun Shoe

Crain posted:

*This is the stated "goal" capacity with full cars every trip so it's actually less.

That is the definition of capacity.

Agents are GO!
Dec 29, 2004

CommieGIR posted:

Yeah, I dread when the first fire happens. Those tunnels are going to become a tomb.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

withak posted:

That is the definition of capacity.

???

The PeopleMover figure is the rides reported actual throughput vs. Tesla's advertised ideal capacity instead of their actual throughput.

Maybe I could have stated that better.

Basically tesla is only saying what they hope it gets up to and now what the actual numbers are, given the traffic jams we now see they have.

Lead out in cuffs
Sep 18, 2012

"That's right. We've evolved."

"I can see that. Cool mutations."




Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

a subway doesn't make sense for an in-facilty people mover. at this scale we're talking something like a moving walkway, like you'd see in an airport. the LVCC system is only like a half mile long at most. LVCC went with the musk tunnels because its flashy and the incentives for a convention center are different from a city. having the tesla system is the kind of neat but pointless bullshit people love at expos like CES, which is one of the crown jewels of the expo calendar and something LVCC wants to keep hang of

las vegas conditionally approved the expansion of the tunnels with one major condition - the city doesn't have to pay for the system. boring company is going to pay for the tunnels to civic locations, and they're going to hit up the various casinos on the strip to pay for stations at their properties. i've got no idea how this passes review from a fire safety perspective because as noted, the loop system is a death trap

im not sure if the AI is capable of doing it or not, but regardless, the city requires human safety drivers for the time being

There was another major condition: Boring Company pays a huge fine for every day the system fails to meet its capacity targets.

The system physically cannot meet its capacity targets.

Ultimately, though, I think this was all designed as a weird "no such thing as bad press" PR project for Tesla, where they were just ready to eat the penalties and have the whole thing be a catastrophic failure as long as it generated some buzz and helped sell some cars.

CommieGIR
Aug 22, 2006

The blue glow is a feature, not a bug


Pillbug

Lead out in cuffs posted:

There was another major condition: Boring Company pays a huge fine for every day the system fails to meet its capacity targets.

The system physically cannot meet its capacity targets.

Ultimately, though, I think this was all designed as a weird "no such thing as bad press" PR project for Tesla, where they were just ready to eat the penalties and have the whole thing be a catastrophic failure as long as it generated some buzz and helped sell some cars.

Sure is ashame they had to recall so many of those cars.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Lead out in cuffs posted:

Ultimately, though, I think this was all designed as a weird "no such thing as bad press" PR project for Tesla, where they were just ready to eat the penalties and have the whole thing be a catastrophic failure as long as it generated some buzz and helped sell some cars.

right, the thing about this system is that its a way to get a lot of people to take test drives in Teslas

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


Mr. Fall Down Terror posted:

that would be the sensible thing to do if he was an honest grifter. the problem with elon musk is he sniffs his own bullshit, he's an ideas guy who hasn't read a book in decades and has no idea his vision for the future is squarely from 1961
The thing is, Musk abhors the idea of being in the presence of strangers on transit. He doesn't want to be on a bus, or a monorail, or a train. He does not like them, Sam-I-Am.

Crain
Jun 27, 2007

I had a beer once with Stephen Miller and now I like him.

I also tried to ban someone from a Discord for pointing out what an unrelenting shithead I am! I'm even dumb enough to think it worked!

Arsenic Lupin posted:

The thing is, Musk abhors the idea of being in the presence of strangers on transit. He doesn't want to be on a bus, or a monorail, or a train. He does not like them, Sam-I-Am.

I also buy into the theory that everything he invests in and promotes is simply so he can get his rear end to mars and be alone and as far away from another human being as possible.

Dude saw "The Martian" and went "I want that".

PhazonLink
Jul 17, 2010
Maybe Musk has hidden Ohioian DNA in him.


I doubt it though and just think he's a dumbass that doesnt know really life colony buiding is boring and dangerous. He probably honestly thinks he's going to find a hidden alien temple and gets do a real life scifi adeventure.


e: wait what the gently caress, the musk hole is real and was built? I thought the video thumbnail was a cgi marketing promo.

PhazonLink fucked around with this message at 19:24 on Jan 6, 2022

Rebel Blob
Mar 1, 2008

Extinction for our time

Crain posted:

I also buy into the theory that everything he invests in and promotes is simply so he can get his rear end to mars and be alone and as far away from another human being as possible.

Dude saw "The Martian" and went "I want that".
Or maybe a little more Bioshock, since he's also talked of establishing a working class of indentured servants to do all the work on Mars. I wonder how deeply Musk has thought about the fact he's advocating for a society consisting of a handful of useless billionaires and all the immensely technical work needed for survival being done by debt slaves.

Hell, Musk probably has thought about it and has completely embraced the dystopian dynamic. Has private plans on forcing all the lower classes to wear bomb collars to forestall the inevitable moment when they toss his useless rear end out an airlock.

PT6A
Jan 5, 2006

Public school teachers are callous dictators who won't lift a finger to stop children from peeing in my plane
Hopefully we get a Morlock/Eloi dynamic and the underclass eats his useless rear end.

Arsenic Lupin
Apr 12, 2012

This particularly rapid💨 unintelligible 😖patter💁 isn't generally heard🧏‍♂️, and if it is🤔, it doesn't matter💁.


https://twitter.com/SwiftOnSecurity/status/1479165032013438977

Your car clock is wrong, and you'll never be able to reset it because the manufacturer has no interest in repairing a bug in a car that old.

Perestroika
Apr 8, 2010

On the topic of the bad tunnel:
https://twitter.com/adamtranter/status/1479149037253238790

Blut
Sep 11, 2009

if someone is in the bottom 10%~ of a guillotine
How can the AI not manage to drive in one of those? It looks like the ideal environment for an AI - no pedestrians, intersections, animals, weather... Basically just stop and go and follow the gentle curves.

Mr. Fall Down Terror
Jan 24, 2018

by Fluffdaddy

Blut posted:

How can the AI not manage to drive in one of those? It looks like the ideal environment for an AI - no pedestrians, intersections, animals, weather... Basically just stop and go and follow the gentle curves.

tesla is trying to fix their bad AI already being sold to consumers as fully working, there's not much incentive to make it work in the tunnels where local regulations make them use paid safety drivers anyway

Less Fat Luke
May 23, 2003

Exciting Lemon

Wow after so many jokes about what a death trap this tunnel would be, I’m surprised to see it’s even worse than I imagined.

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Epic High Five
Jun 5, 2004



Just the thought of getting so far as the point of hopping into one of the cars and seeing the whole setup activates my fight or flight response, I don't know how much of this is the fact that I'm a huge luddite or how much is just common sense

Like there is a very real chance I die horribly as a burning Tesla turns into a frag grenade spewing inferno and Musk goes on social media to declare that I was only in town to sex traffic or something anyway

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