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Sagebrush posted:lol no it wasn't. whatsapp launched two years before imessage, dumbass. whatsapp didn’t get that big in the us until the year imessage launched, which is my point. and then everyone had all the capabilities preinstalled so why bother downloading another app. and given the marketshare at the time, imessage was instantly popular - it just worked for everyone with an iphone at the time. they just launched with a critical mass and obviated a need for third party accounts thanks to their sheer market presence.
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Sagebrush posted:iMessage is American exceptionalism, as usual. The USA is the only place where Apple products are noticeably common and their ecosystem has some traction. Everyone else on the planet uses WhatsApp. in Japan iOS has over 60% of the phone market. in the UK it’s about 45%. iMessage is rich people exceptionalism, for varying definition of rich.
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Sagebrush posted:iMessage is American exceptionalism, as usual. The USA is the only place where Apple products are noticeably common and their ecosystem has some traction. Everyone else on the planet uses WhatsApp. indeed. i've never seen a blue bubble in my life
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a 25000 word retrospective on google's history of failed messaging platforms
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infernal machines posted:a 25000 word retrospective on google's history of failed messaging platforms ok, i read the entire thing. a very good article which was surprising even being semi-immersed in this nonsense. first half was hilarious, second half incredibly sad. not that the substance changed at all, just started hitting home how loving dumb all this is.
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specifically stuff like the thread title does sadden me a lot. basic human relationships and communication made into some sv circus.
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akadajet posted:I end up having to use facebook messenger for my android friends because sending images and videos over sms is a garbage experience i solve this problem by not having friends
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Zamujasa posted:i solve this problem by not having friends I had friends, then I tried to get them all to switch from facebook to element/matrix. now I have no friends, but who cares, all my friends are now on matrix
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Best Bi Geek Squid posted:a few lols: i was particularly fond of this little one quote:Easily the most doomed section of this entire article, even Google Stadia has a messaging service. Google Stadia is (or "was," depending on when you're reading this article) a game-streaming service from Google. Instead of going out and buying a game console, you can stream a video game over the Internet, one frame at a time, from Google's computerized warehouses to your various devices. After all that time running YouTube, the technology behind Stadia is solid and works fine, provided you have great Internet latency.
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Cybernetic Vermin posted:ok, i read the entire thing. a very good article which was surprising even being semi-immersed in this nonsense. first half was hilarious, second half incredibly sad. not that the substance changed at all, just started hitting home how loving dumb all this is. 
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Zamujasa posted:i was particularly fond of this little one you know this just pisses them off to no end internally too, the idea that they're a laughingstock and have essentially no consumer confidence because of their absolute inability to commit to products
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infernal machines posted:you know this just pisses them off to no end internally too, the idea that they're a laughingstock and have essentially no consumer confidence because of their absolute inability to commit to products im sure theyre drying their tears with $100 bills
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only if they've shipped a messaging app or chat client in the last 18 months
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infernal machines posted:you know this just pisses them off to no end internally too, the idea that they're a laughingstock and have essentially no consumer confidence because of their absolute inability to commit to products this assumes google is one entity that thinks of its products as a cohesive set. it’s really just a bunch of people doing whatever will get them a bonus and level jump. they don’t give a drat about the marketplace performance of any product other than what they’re immediately working on, they will bail on that as soon as they get the recognition for launching it.
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i'm reasonably sure there were people at stadia getting frustrated with the way stadia was received before it even launched. the tech press is a lot more skeptical of google services these days
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Remember when the entire internet had a meltdown when you were required to have a public google plus account to post comments on youtube? I can see google being gunshy about integration but there's a big difference between just casual posting and using your real world identity to post. And imagine the work needed for someone who needs to start a career and needs to scrub their online history becsuse they were a fascist brat in their high school years. Nice of google to insist that you use a posting identity for comments now. Eepecially when streamers have the chat on the video so that dumb comments can be recorded for posterity.
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Anyways, having a million messaging apps will only cement the fax machine and e-mail as the proper way to conduct written business communications between organizations. Though docusign is making inroads.
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i remember when allo was announced and everyone was simultaneously just staring at twitter with why? and there was no answerThe Management posted:this assumes google is one entity that thinks of its products as a cohesive set. it’s really just a bunch of people doing whatever will get them a bonus and level jump. they don’t give a drat about the marketplace performance of any product other than what they’re immediately working on, they will bail on that as soon as they get the recognition for launching it. minimum viable promotion
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I remember when Allo launched, Google had a big truck outside of Boston University with an Allo logo, giving out free cookies and trying to get people to sign up for the app. they also said there was a “secret free concert” (don’t remember for who) where they would only tell you where it was if you signed up for Allo and got a friend to as well.
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Zamujasa posted:minimum viable promotion
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a client has asked me to help evaluate a product for digital signage, it's an android device (android 7.1!) with a massive battery, two 7-inch screens and a custom app and cloud back end created by the OEM. everything about the product is hilariously lovely but due to the incredibly niche application it's basically best in class. i am looking forward to telling them to buy 50% more than they expect to deploy, to handle the number of failures, and no, the device will never receive updates, so they don't need to worry about "updating the software". this is , naturally, an internet connected device meant to be deployed on customers' networks there appear to be a dozen of the same product model on alibaba because every new release gets a different sku
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There has been an improvement in the built in google pay app. Now, it doesn't remind you all the drat time that a new pay app exists.
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https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/deprioritized-google-stadia-to-pivot-to-google-stream-white-label-service/ google stadia is now closer to being the backbone powering other gaming platforms, particularly platforms that aren't particularly about gaming
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just waiting for the gcp instance that duplicates the functionality but was designed by a completely different team and is entirely incompatible and also has to fight fir resources
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sb hermit posted:https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/02/deprioritized-google-stadia-to-pivot-to-google-stream-white-label-service/ if google cares about money i assume this has to be the sort of thing they do more of. amazon clearly ate a lot of the lunch they'd like to have.
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Wild EEPROM posted:just waiting for the gcp instance that duplicates the functionality but was designed by a completely different team and is entirely incompatible and also has to fight fir resources mediaphage posted:if google cares about money i assume this has to be the sort of thing they do more of. amazon clearly ate a lot of the lunch they'd like to have. https://www.theregister.com/2022/02/02/alphabet_q4_2021/ It doesn't help much that the public cloud stuff is still losing billions of dollars, despite seeing solid revenue increases. The white box stadia thing is an interesting pivot. Running more stuff in the cloud and keeping the software and content away from the consumer is an even better playbook than the javastation idea of the 90s. The IT guy just makes sure things are plugged in and the internet is reliable. Of course, when the internet goes out, the businesses and customers suffer too. But what is google going to do? Buy out twc and comcast and finally make investments? Elon Musk internet is not good enough for gaming, I expect. Anyways, stadia pro is probably next on the chopping block.
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i know this is the make fun of google thread but it still sort of amazes me that they figured out how to make streaming games available in the least consumer friendly way possible
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mediaphage posted:if google cares about money i assume this has to be the sort of thing they do more of. amazon clearly ate a lot of the lunch they'd like to have. google is a joke when it comes to cloud providers, nobody is going to stake their business on something google might get bored about. whereas on aws you’ve had 13 years to switch ec2 classic networking to a vpc and they’re only cutting off ec2 classic networking later this year.
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does google even know that their public image is of a bunch of flaky, easily distracted children? that the idea of google "support," in any sense of the word, is a running joke? if you brought it up to a google employee -- i am pretty sure we have a couple in here -- will they sigh knowingly, or get haughty and pissy?
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hobbesmaster posted:google is a joke when it comes to cloud providers, nobody is going to stake their business on something google might get bored about. there are businesses that use GCP and google apps, they're just also worthless startups that will probably go under before their infrastructure gets rug pulled
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Sagebrush posted:does google even know that their public image is of a bunch of flaky, easily distracted children? that the idea of google "support," in any sense of the word, is a running joke? pretty sure all the 'pos googlers will sigh knowingly but there are definitely some google peeps that get quite offended if you dare suggest that google's public image is that of a flake, and will also tell you you're wrong if you say that that image makes people less willing to seriously try google products
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Sagebrush posted:does google even know that their public image is of a bunch of flaky, easily distracted children? that the idea of google "support," in any sense of the word, is a running joke? there were a few who got salty over the reception of stadia pre-launch when 90% of the coverage that wasn't bought and paid for was joking about when it would get shitcanned
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Sagebrush posted:does google even know that their public image is of a bunch of flaky, easily distracted children? that the idea of google "support," in any sense of the word, is a running joke? i dont think ive ever met anyone who works for goog even on these forums. i think it probably breaks down to experts who work on their advertising platform and dont really care about anything else cause they know ads are the money maker and then dumb fucker web "developers" who got hired out of college and dont know any better cause they're children. the former is embarrassed to admit what they do for a living and the later dont post here.
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infernal machines posted:there are businesses that use GCP and google apps, they're just also worthless startups that will probably go under before their infrastructure gets rug pulled the kind of person who chooses gcp and/or goog apps is the dumbest on earth and its probably the biggest red flag (outside of maybe ruby) when interviewing.
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Shaggar posted:i dont think ive ever met anyone who works for goog even on these forums. there is at least one in several threads you post in, i'm not going to out them though
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