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Suzera posted:At least just in case, the wastewater sampling is not cases as in infected people, just viral rna amount per volume tested. So any given infected person is generating more than 1 viral rna copy. What the wastewater graph says is that people in total are pooping out less total viral rna. Whether or how well this corresponds to infected cases on a per person basis is still in question afaik. yeah, what I mean is that the company and the media are basically ignoring the drop and still warning about increasing cases.
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My request to work from home was denied. The only change is that they're going to test us more often.
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Even if we are at the end of this wave, I'm not sure how many more times the systems through the anglophone world can take this kind of blow to the chin.
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online influencer and youtuber Naomi Wu reviewed the razer n95 LED mask and found that it did not meet standards https://twitter.com/RealSexyCyborg/status/1479647964352028678?t=6yg0UhPs8YaSyWpwXBZu7w&s=19 consumer culture!!!
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StratGoatCom posted:Even if we are at the end of this wave, I'm not sure how many more times the systems through the anglophone world can take this kind of blow to the chin. The cool thing is we could choose to stop and move to suppressing the virus at literally any time, and we just don’t.
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PT6A posted:The cool thing is we could choose to stop and move to suppressing the virus at literally any time, and we just don’t. While I don't know the answer to the question I asked, I am pretty drat sure the answer is 'not many'.
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It's worth mentioning that the wastewater data has been shown multiple times in this thread before, typically as an indication things are about to get bad, and it's never been interrogated by posters to this degree. New York and CT are also seeing numbers start to improve (though admittedly not by the same metrics). So there's at least some reason to believe this is regionally consistent I'm not saying this is set in stone, or that it's any indication that anyone's behavior should change, to be clear. It's just that the possibility this is indeed indicative of something positive shouldn't be dismissed
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StratGoatCom posted:Even if we are at the end of this wave, I'm not sure how many more times the systems through the anglophone world can take this kind of blow to the chin.  The current wave is so astronomically high that if it levels off at the high of last year it will STILL appear like the wave is over lol
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Riptor posted:It's worth mentioning that the wastewater data has been shown multiple times in this thread before, typically as an indication things are about to get bad, and it's never been interrogated by posters to this degree. I don't recall wastewater stuff being posted like this on the trailing end before is probably a big difference.
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Suzera posted:It's definitely not time to start planning a Disney trip for next month yet at least. Yes agreed which is why i said as much
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re: testing locations, the Boston data is coming from the Deer Island Treatment Plant which appears to serve most of Boston: https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm They have one color in the graph for the northern half of Boston and another for the southern part. So the wastewater data shouldn't be majorly affected by kids being back in school or something, it's aggregating most of the city.
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Fritz the Horse posted:re: testing locations, the Boston data is coming from the Deer Island Treatment Plant which appears to serve most of Boston: https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm All of Boston, to be clear, and most of the greater Boston area.  Something in the neighborhood of 40 municipalities and 2.5 million people. It's the second largest sewage treatment plant in the country Edit: which is like 1/3 of the total population of Massachusetts Riptor fucked around with this message at 02:34 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Also with regard to the snowmelt dilution question, they state they account for that by normalizing against Pepper Mild Mottle Virus which I have no idea what that is but i guess this makes sense:https://biobot.io/covid19-report-notes/ posted:Normalized viral concentration (genome copies per L of sewage)
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Riptor posted:Also with regard to the snowmelt dilution question, they state they account for that by normalizing against Pepper Mild Mottle Virus which I have no idea what that is but i guess this makes sense: re: Boston geography thanks, I am clueless about the area quote:Pepper mild mottle virus (PMMoV) was recently found to be the most abundant RNA virus in human feces, and is a plant virus belonging to the genus Tobamovirus in the family Virgoviridae. When in human feces, it is of dietary origin from peppers and their processed products, and is excreted from a large proportion of healthy human populations, but rarely found in animal feces. not a bad username or thread title. But it's a tobacco mosaic virus found on pepper fruits. Since it's an RNA virus, it's useful to standardize to since SARS-CoV-2 RNA is going to be similarly affected by changing conditions in the wastewater.
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Read coldrice's rap sheet and lmao it's just D&D mods using the buttons to disagree. Just that one linked page from the rap makes me understand why everyone in CSPAM talks about them all the time. (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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skooma512 posted:Read coldrice's rap sheet and lmao it's just D&D mods using the buttons to disagree. Just that one linked page from the rap makes me understand why everyone in CSPAM talks about them all the time. Coldrice has not posted in D&D since December 30th. Are you in the wrong thread/forum? edit: you're welcome to post here but your quoted post seems like it wasn't meant for this current thread discussion. Fritz the Horse fucked around with this message at 02:57 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Fritz the Horse posted:Coldrice has not posted in D&D since December 30th. Are you in the wrong thread/forum? ya probably. coldrice just got a kotaku article about it so that's what the other thread is talking about atm https://twitter.com/Kotaku/status/1481033979604226051?s=20
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crepeface posted:ya probably. coldrice just got a kotaku article about it so that's what the other thread is talking about atm Grats to him. Love to see a goon winning.
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I find it odd that a goon project saw completion.
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Seems like everyone in my house got Covid. We aren’t sure from where, because Canada is so backlogged with tests that they literally changed the rules so that no one qualifies to get tested anymore. The first positive test in our house came back after nearly five days, so it was too late for any of us to isolate before we infected each other. I can’t even book a test for myself so I’m just assuming I have it and am asymptomatic
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Dick Trauma posted:CEO with COVID came to work anyway. Two more people came up positive from yesterday's onsite test. Literally everyone here could work from home, but they won't close the office. If the CEO insists on keeping the office open there's no way we don't all get this disease. People like that only understand being held down and physically bullied. John_A_Tallon fucked around with this message at 05:11 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Slowpoke! posted:Seems like everyone in my house got Covid. We aren’t sure from where, because Canada is so backlogged with tests that they literally changed the rules so that no one qualifies to get tested anymore. The first positive test in our house came back after nearly five days, so it was too late for any of us to isolate before we infected each other. I can’t even book a test for myself so I’m just assuming I have it and am asymptomatic Testing in Canada is hilarious at the moment. "An omicron outbreak? At this time of year? In this part of the world? Localized entirely outside of schools?" "Yes." "May I get a test?" "Um.... no." It's absolutely everywhere at the moment and we're currently doing less testing than we were doing at the height of other outbreaks, and we've completely given up on the idea of contact tracing. The various governments were just like, "gently caress it, I guess?"
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Fritz the Horse posted:re: testing locations, the Boston data is coming from the Deer Island Treatment Plant which appears to serve most of Boston: https://www.mwra.com/biobot/biobotdata.htm That's good. Other wastewater programs have been (out of convenience) at various locations throughout cities where sewer pipes leave a college or come together or whatever, but a central one will not be subject to any possible errors from those methods (not that it ever led to any weird instances from what I can recall). I'd be interested to see sequencing of the wastewater samples tbqh, WNY4 was a sequence from NYC wastewater that foreshadowed some of what we're seeing in Omicron (antibody escape and huge mutation space). It was thought to be murine and the open question was "can this spread to humans" and I guess the answer was "if you roll the dice enough". https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.07.26.21261142v1 I think the paper's been posted before but it's an interesting bit of reading.
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StratGoatCom posted:Even if we are at the end of this wave, I'm not sure how many more times the systems through the anglophone world can take this kind of blow to the chin. Yeah. Totally at the end. https://twitter.com/BNODesk/status/1481110296257249281?s=20 Just so we’re clear, that’s more than all of the US back on December 19th.
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Denmark - 11 January 2022 Really disappointed that cases are up. Unexpectedly SSI is now reporting "psychiatric" admissions to hospital at 136 in the COVID stats. https://www.ssi.dk/aktuelt/nyheder/2022/indlaeggelser-paa-psykiatriske-afdelinger-i-ssis-covid-19-noegletal "Inpatients with SARS-CoV-2 can lead to an increased burden on psychiatric wards, as they must be in isolation, and staff must wear protective equipment when contacting patients. However, since they do not occupy medical beds in the same way as treatment-requiring covid-19 patients, SSI has chosen to show how large a proportion of the daily covid-19-related admissions are in psychiatric wards." I am concerned the spikes from Christmas and New Years are now leading to a general rise in community spread. Oh and it may be the arrival of the New Years hospitalizations now. Crap. I do note the hospitalizations per 100,000 persons for the last month has shown exactly what omicron did: unvaxx went from 30 per 100,000 on Delta to 40 on Omicron even when case numbers blew up 4-5 times. Full vaxx went from 6 to 10 - showing that vaccination still reduces hospitalilzation 75% or so. But the "one dose" rate went from "one dose gives decent protection against Delta" 7 cases to "Omicron doesn't care about one dose" at 35 per 100k. pre:Denmark Covid Cases reported per day (not on day tested!!!) ----------------------------------- Jan 11 22,936 new cases, 1459 reinfections, 181 new hospitalizations (754 total), 73 ICU (-1), 46 Vent (-1), 14 dead Jan 10 14,414 new cases, 941 reinfections, 156 new hospitalizations (777 total), 74 ICU (-3), 47 Vent (-3), 9 dead Jan 09 19,248 new cases, 1327 reinfections, 126 new hospitalizations (723 total), 77 ICU (-1), 50 Vent (-2), 14 dead Jan 08 12,588 new cases, 984 reinfections, 161 new hospitalizations (730 total), 78 ICU (0), 52 Vent (-1), 28 dead Jan 07 18,261 new cases, 1482 reinfections, 186 new hospitalizations (755 total), 78 ICU (-4), 53 Vent (+4), 10 dead Jan 06 25,995 new cases, 2027 reinfections, 161 new hospitalizations (756 total), 82 ICU (+2), 47 Vent (-2), 11 dead Jan 05 28,283 new cases, 2083 reinfections, 204 new hospitalizations (784 total), 80 ICU (+3), 49 Vent (+2), 15 dead <-- NYE + Xmas ow Jan 04* 23,372 new cases, 1701 reinfections, 229 new hospitalizations (792 total), 77 ICU (+4), 47 Vent (+1), 15 dead <-- spike in hospital wow Jan 03* 8,801 new cases, 532 reinfections, 169 new hospitalizations (770 total), 73 ICU (-3), 46 Vent (-4), 5 dead Jan 02 7,550 new cases, 404 reinfections, 163 new hospitalizations (709 total), 76 ICU (+3), 50 Vent (+1), 15 dead Jan 01 20,885 new cases, 1049 reinfections, 139 new hospitalizations (647 total), 73 ICU (+0), 49 Vent (+0), 5 dead Dec 31 17,605 new cases, 1090 reinfections, 177 new hospitalizations (641 total), 73 ICU (-2), 49 Vent (-1), 11 dead Dec 30 21,403 new cases, 1123 reinfections, 178 new hospitalizations (665 total), 75 ICU (-2), 50 Vent (-2), 9 dead Dec 29 23,228 new cases, 1205 reinfections, 173 new hospitalizations (675 total), 77 ICU (+6), 52 Vent (+2), 16 dead Dec 28 13,000 new cases, 670 reinfections, 177 new hospitalizations (666 total), 71 ICU (+1), 50 Vent (+4), 14 dead Dec 27 16,164 new cases, 639 reinfections, 115 new hospitalizations (608 total), 70 ICU (-1), 46 Vent (-2), 7 dead Dec 26 14,844 new cases, 644 reinfections, 123 new hospitalizations (579 total), 71 ICU (-2), 43 Vent (+1), 13 dead Dec 25 10,027 new cases, 463 reinfections, 86 new hospitalizations (522 total), 73 ICU (-1), 44 Vent (+5), 10 dead Dec 24 11,229 new cases, 527 reinfections, 134 new hospitalizations (509 total), 74 ICU (+2), 39 vent (+1), 14 dead Dec 23 12,487 new cases, 613 reinfections, 158 new hospitalizations (541 total), 72 ICU (+6), 38 vent (+1), 15 dead Dec 22 13,386 new cases, 531 reinfections, 126 new hospitalizations (524 total), 66 ICU (-1), 37 vent (+2), 14 dead Dec 21 13,558 new cases, 501 reinfections, 121 new hospitalizations (526 total), 67 ICU (+1), 35 vent (+2), 17 dead Dec 20 10,082 new cases, (no reinf. data), 85 new hospitalizations (581 total), 66 ICU (+3), 33 vent (-2), 8 dead Dec 19 8,212 new cases Dec 18 8,594 new cases Dec 17 11,194 new cases Dec 16 9,999 new cases Dec 15 8,773 new cases, ??? reinfections, 96 new hospitalizations (508 total), 66 ICU (+0), 43 vent (-3), 9 dead Dec 13 7,799 new cases, ??? reinfections, 61 new hospitalizations (480 total), 64 ICU (-1), 42 vent (0), 9 dead Dec 12 5,989 new cases, ??? reinfections, 82 new hospitalizations (468 total), 65 ICU (+5), 42 vent (+6), 9 dead Dec 08 6,629 new cases, ??? reinfections, 72 new hospitalizations (461 total), 66 ICU (-1), 38 vent (-1), 7 dead Dec 01 5,120 new cases, ??? reinfections, 88 new hospitalizations (439 total), 35 ICU (+1), 35 vent (+1), 14 dead pre:Jan 10 11,129 (partial data... not good) Jan 09 16,269 ... not good! Jan 08 13,571 Jan 07 14,430 Jan 06 15,415 Jan 05 17,577 Jan 04 23,697 Jan 03 25,618 Jan 02 19,905 Jan 01 8,630 Dec 31 9,727 Dec 30 19,226 Dec 29 17,244 Dec 28 21,955 Dec 27 22,616 Dec 26 10,966 Dec 25 7,853 Dec 24 7,054 pre:03 January 331 ICU beds, 76 COVID, 32 available 27 December 316 ICU beds, 71 COVID, 62 available 20 December 317 ICU beds, 60 COVID, 59 available 13 December 319 ICU beds, 64 COVID, 39 available 06 December 310 ICU beds, 67 COVID, 10 available <-- squeaky bum time here 29 November 318 ICU beds, 61 COVID, 25 available pre:Unvaccinated Partial Full Unvaccinated Partial Full 11 JAN New cases: 447.9 434.8 303.3 Hospitalizations: 40.3 34.9 10.1 10 JAN New cases: 292.3 276.6 192.2 Hospitalizations: 42.8 34.8 10.3 09 JAN New cases: 403.6 367.3 276.6 Hospitalizations: 40.6 35.3 9.4 08 JAN New cases: 264.2 245.5 186.6 Hospitalizations: 39.7 31.3 9.8 07 JAN New cases: 413.9 365.6 272.3 Hospitalizations: 41.3 30.6 10.2 06 JAN New cases: 566.3 561.1 398.6 Hospitalizations: 40.4 33.9 10.3 05 JAN New cases: 586.9 576.8 445.9 Hospitalizations: 43.0 30.6 10.5 04 JAN* New cases: 512.2 533.3 390.8 Hospitalizations: 43.6 28.9 11.0 03 JAN* New cases: 165.6 153.7 135.7 Hospitalizations: 42.2 23.4 10.5 02 JAN New cases: 152.8 150.7 124.7 Hospitalizations: 41.4 18.7 9.5 01 JAN New cases: 437.8 413.6 331.2 Hospitalizations: 38.6 18.4 8.6 31 DEC New cases: 341.1 334.2 300.2 Hospitalizations: 37.8 20.7 8.6 30 DEC New cases: 409.2 391.5 345.5 Hospitalizations: 39.4 21.1 8.9 29 DEC New cases: 443.6 446.0 377.4 Hospitalizations: 40.1 18.5 9.1 28 DEC New cases: 237.3 208.2 210.2 Hospitalizations: 40.5 16.9 8.6 27 DEC New cases: 304.4 324.9 263.3 Hospitalizations: 40.0 15.8 7.8 26 DEC New cases: 310.4 274.9 241.2 Hospitalizations: 39.0 15.4 7.3 25 DEC New cases: 181.6 162.1 161.5 Hospitalizations: 33.9 16.0 6.8 24 DEC New cases: 184.1 173.0 182.1 Hospitalizations: 34.5 14.9 7.1 23 DEC New cases: 237.1 202.6 197.9 Hospitalizations: 35.4 16.2 7.5 22 DEC New cases: 257.1 198.1 211.7 Hospitalizations: 34.2 15.3 7.3 21 DEC New cases: 270.1 226.2 207.8 Hospitalizations: 32.9 14.3 7.5 20 DEC New cases: 201.2 154.4 149.0 Hospitalizations: 34.0 15.6 7.7 17 DEC New cases: 252.1 199.3 172.9 Hospitalizations: 31.0 14.9 6.8 15 DEC New cases: 216.0 153.3 121.6 Hospitalizations: 31.3 11.7 6.7 13 DEC New cases: 215.3 131.3 100.8 Hospitalizations: 29.8 11.5 6.6 08 DEC New cases: 193.5 126.9 80.9 Hospitalizations: 27.5 8.7 6.5 01 DEC New cases: 162.4 102.1 59.84 Hospitalizations: 24.6 11.3 6.1 25 NOV New cases: 134.7 120.9 52.97 Hospitalizations: 21.9 7.2 5.9 pre:1.77% on 1 December 4.8% on 6 December 10% on 8 December 22% on 12 December 37% on 14 December 50% on 17 December 60% on 20 December 70% on 21 December 74% on 22 December 81% on 24 December 84% on 26 December 86% on 27 December 92% on 29 December 93.6% on 01 January 96% on 07 January Sources: https://covid19.ssi.dk/overvagningsdata/download-fil-med-overvaagningdata https://experience.arcgis.com/experience/242ec2acc014456295189631586f1d26 https://covid19.ssi.dk/virusvarianter/delta-pcr Rust Martialis fucked around with this message at 08:40 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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Actually thought of something. Case loads in Denmark have gone from say 6,000 a day to 20,000+ a day in a month. We traded Delta for Omicron. Boom. In the first week of December, we saw about 25 hospitalizations per 100,000 on a caseload about 6000 or so a day for unvaccinated. In the first week of January, we see about 40 hospitalizations per 100,000 on a caseload about 3.5 times that per day, for unvaccinated. Obviously breaking it down further would get a better number, but 150% hospitalizations on a base of 350% the caseload says Omicron is less likely to send even unvaccinated people to hospital. A very rough and crap number would be 150/350 or 42.9%. So in Denmark, it's something like 58% less likely to send you to hospital with Omicron if unvaccinated. Full vaccine would be... from 6 cases to 10 cases, so 167% chance on 350% caseload... 48%, so still 52% less likely than Delta on the same reasoning. Could the smarter people critique my idea? The numbers are horribly rough and have massive unstated error ranges.
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I think in order to determine stuff like the per-variant lag between a case and a hospitalization that are so crucial in this kind of analysis you really need to be looking at it retrospectively with clear peak dates for cases and hospitalizations in mind.
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https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1 This is a pre-print, but it does say exactly that. Rate of hospitilisation is about 48% compared to Delta, ventilation and death is about 26% and 9% of risk compared to Delta. I know, before anyone says, that Death is not the only thing to worry about, but this pretty much follows everything else we thought we knew about Omicron until now.
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Wang Commander posted:I think "Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." The Danish study I cite on ICU case tracking gives a consistent median of 6-7 days for Delta between testing and hospital for Nov/Dec '21. I'll take their analysis over your... 'thinking' (sic).
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Rust Martialis posted:"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." Yes, the 6-7 days for Delta between testing and hospitalization are consistently known. I am not sure why you need to be condescending about this, a similar retrospective time between testing and hospitalization cannot be known so certainly for a wave in progress. You simply cannot be as confident about Omicron as you are about Delta, this is not an extraordinary claim. Weasling Weasel posted:https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2022.01.11.22269045v1 One thing to take away from this is the rate is substantially reduced in the unvaccinated as well. This is very important with Omicron, as taking the overall numbers can hide poor outcomes for the unvaccinated behind mountains of 'mild' breakthroughs.
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Rust Martialis posted:"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." bro, you asked for feedback
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Rust Martialis posted:"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence." I sincerely appreciate your investing time in posting statistics from Denmark. I would point out that your linked sources appear to be all in Danish language, which is fine. Just make sure you're relaying some brief summary of the (Danish language) into English to support your claims. Wang Commander posted:I think in order to determine stuff like the per-variant lag between a case and a hospitalization that are so crucial in this kind of analysis you really need to be looking at it retrospectively with clear peak dates for cases and hospitalizations in mind. it's late but I'm not seeing where the disagreement between yourself and Rust Martialis is?
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Fritz the Horse posted:it's late but I'm not seeing where the disagreement between yourself and Rust Martialis is? The Kaiser paper that Weasling Weasel posted takes the approach (which you can do with Kaiser data) of following cases from start to finish and comparing the course from positive test to discharge/hospice/death. I think Rust Martialis is jumping the gun a little in assuming the correlation to severity of the ratio of unvaccinated hospitalizations to unvaccinated cases on a given day will be the same from Delta to Omicron. The missing piece here is the time between peak cases and peak hospitalizations, all else being equal. I am not aware if this has changed significantly between prior variants, but other time-based aspects have changed from variant to variant, and additionally vary significantly between cohorts. This means you can't assume it will like clockwork be the 6-7 days he cites for the whole population of Delta hospitalizations taken in aggregate - as you hypothetically decrease or increase this time, the hospitalizations:cases for a day shifts closer to or farther from the ultimate ratio. You must either wait for the definitive peak, or compare cases directly, if you want to be more sure.
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brugroffil posted:Vaccines and infections built lots of immunity until omicron came along. How much more immunity-evading space does SARS-CoV-2 have? It might be better at spreading than earlier variants but it's causing a whole lot less damage in at least protected populations. We're in a much better place than we were last year. At least in places with high vaccination rates (Europe) and high rates of previous infections/young populations (South Africa).
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Gripweed posted:The vaccines and infections don't seem to be doing a great job building immunity in populations so far, considering that reinfections happen, the different variants don't confer as much resistance to each other, and the vaccination resistance drops off significantly in only a few months.
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CSM posted:There's no real reason to think that the Omicron variant isn't hindered by built up immunity throughout populations. It's either evolved to be a lot less virulent and/or built up immunity has made it a lot less virulent. We've certainly seen the S RBD go to some extremes as far as ACE2 affinity when it's been mutated to this end in the lab (https://www.nature.com/articles/s41564-021-00954-4). Also we know that Omicron took a pretty circuitous path to balancing ACE2 affinity with immune escape (https://www.biorxiv.org/content/10.1101/2021.12.03.471045v2.full). It definitely points to a fair amount of maneuvering room - Omicron balanced advantageous mutations for actually binding ACE2 with otherwise deleterious mutations that allow it to escape antibodies to prior variants. It's not really clear if it could become more severe from here, but since the first really good immune escape variant was going to spread like wildfire, there's no reason to think it's reached any kind of maximum. What it is, is enough - the minimum viable escape variant.
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I've been seeing a lot of stories from across Europe this week where politicians are declaring that in just a few weeks/months, Covid will be endemic just like the flu, and everything will go back to normal, so no need for restrictions anymore. It's early 2020 herd immunity thinking condensed into a shorter timeframe and with no regard for healthcare systems collapsing. This has been spearheaded by Spain, whose prime minister has openly stated that this strategy was cooked up over the past few weeks, and which they are now bringing to the EU to try to expand to all of Europe. Just about all European media that I am seeing is backing them up by mostly quoting politicians and local "health experts" that agree with this, but not mentioning that the WHO and other international health organizations have strongly condemned this approach as being way too premature. To illustrate just how crazy it is, the American news sources I've looked into about this tend to be far better at presenting the WHO position: https://www.cnbc.com/2022/01/12/should-we-treat-covid-like-the-flu-europe-is-starting-to-think-so.html tl;dr summary: 
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this is a somewhat pedantic point but it does have some real-life relevance for readers/posters itt: avoid anthropomorphizing the SARS-CoV-2 virus the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 does not have a mind of its own, it does not have wants or desires or personal preferences I would caution against ascribing human-like motivations, desires, etc to the virus that causes COVID-19 this post isn't directed against anyone here in particular, just a general suggestion to avoid anthropomorphizing viruses I'm not gonna probate you for doing so, it's just not a good way of conceptualizing viruses and viral evolution
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Fritz the Horse posted:I sincerely appreciate your investing time in posting statistics from Denmark. I would point out that your linked sources appear to be all in Danish language, which is fine. Just make sure you're relaying some brief summary of the (Danish language) into English to support your claims. My daily posts are translated. If it is an issue I can translate more. I'd also point out that December was the month DK went from Delta to Omicron so by the end of the month ICU patients were also trending Omicron.
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Rust Martialis posted:Actually thought of something. Case loads in Denmark have gone from say 6,000 a day to 20,000+ a day in a month. We traded Delta for Omicron. Boom. To put it another way, to unfold your second half into a real conclusion about hospitalization rate per case for each variant, you'd have to do a multiplication of the ratio of cases between delta and omicron, undoing all your extra calculation here to get back to your original stats of hospitalizations per 100k cases. I think it's a bit odd that there's more hospitalizations per case in Jan, but it could just be something like piercing prior immunity or a timing issue is the key rather than you misunderstanding what the base stats here mean. Suzera fucked around with this message at 14:35 on Jan 12, 2022 |
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