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I get the idea of wanting people to have some investment in a character/build, but I still think that LE is too punishing in that regard. Especially while leveling, you want me to experiment with different builds, don't completely hamstring me if I want to change some things up. Even in PoE you only have to level up a skill gem once.
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The last epoch tools site has a build planner and upload; that also tells you where to find your save files
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Taking x amount of time to relevel a skill is more punishing than PoE in the long run, unless they let you bank levels when you've got time sunk at max level. Because at least in poe you can bank respec currency, or just trade for it when you want it.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:31
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Jan 12, 2022 17:34
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I don't remember my skill respec taking 5-10 hours. Felt much quicker, but I'm in empowered monoliths and finishing them within 4-6mins. Exp gain at lower levels is slower and the amount of exp to level a skill is fixed, so being a higher level makes respeccing much easier.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:35
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Dallan Invictus posted:I'm happy that LE has kinda de-emphasized resists through their changes to the damage formula: 75% res means you're not taking extra damage at endgame because you've made up for the innate penetration, but even if you somehow go in with 0 res, you're taking 1.75x damage compared to someone capped at endgame, rather than the 4x damage you would be in other games. There is that, at least! If I had to GUESS, the absolutism regarding resists is a little off the mark, and you could probably get by with a lot of things at 50% if you had a shitload of health or armor or what-have-you, but eventually those resists are going to be pretty low-hanging fruit if you want to push the infinite progression.
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Jan 12, 2022 17:47
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Jan 12, 2022 17:48
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Papercut posted:Taking x amount of time to relevel a skill is more punishing than PoE in the long run, unless they let you bank levels when you've got time sunk at max level. Because at least in poe you can bank respec currency, or just trade for it when you want it. Yeah, even a casual player farming the regrets shouldn't need more than a couple of hours to respec a tree in PoE, but I think the real cost is farming the gear. LE makes the gear end a bit easier and the skill end slower in my opinion. This isn't a useful insight, now I think about it. What I would say is that often I find skills are actually "complete" in terms of the build enabling stuff a bit earlier, and then the last few points are just topping up on minor % boost type picks.
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Dallan Invictus posted:Honestly I hesitated to give a specific time because I don't remember how long I played last weekend! Steam tells me I've played 14h in the past couple of weeks so that's the guess I gave. But it felt way quicker than I expected it to (granted I'd just finished relevelling a skill in PoE before I hit the wall in that league so my expectations were pessimistic). ya, the gold costs become negligible within the first hour or two of play; maybe a bit longer for the devotion (more comparable to passives) tree which has a different mat. either way, it really lowers the bar on tinkering while leveling a new skill. doing something like having the experience gained be tied to the slot rather than the skill might help. like, it still takes longer to progress and there's decision-making about which skills go into the more-leveled slots while still learning the ins-and-outs of a new character. at the high-end it doesn't matter since they're all 18-20 anyways. also good to know about the JSON thing; i might poke around and see if someone's made a save game editor
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I don't personally see the purpose in having a cost associated with skill and passive respecs, especially not in a single player or non-persistent multiplayer game. Oh boy I got a new unique that works with a certain skill. I'd like to try it out but I only get half the skill points of my current skill, and if I don't like it, I have to re-level my other skill and am punished for experimenting! In reference to other systems with costly respecs, or as a means to force a cost to respecs, Last Epoch does a good job and it's an interesting system. The problem is that costly respecs discourage the best parts of having a complicated set of skills, passives, gear, and interactions between them: experimentation. There's really no reason skill mastery has to be lost when you change it. Just give each skill its own mastery stats. If I switch off of X skill, let me have the same progress when I come back to it. Why punish the player for trying something else?
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Werebear kicks so much rear end and I love that they give it to you as your first Druid skill. (Also, it's the first class I've played where you aren't making any real tradeoffs for playing with a controller  ) Just loving hulking out with huge satisfying swipes and smashes.That's another front-loading decision that EHG made regarding progression. Your key transformation is a skill you would get at the end of the leveling process in D3 or PoE, and so you'd have to play a build that sucked for like 20 hours before it got fun. Another, unrelated, smart decision was having you finish the progression leveling in endgame content, all ARPGs are a race to the endgame and the devs were like "what if we made it start at the midgame".
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SynthesisAlpha posted:I don't personally see the purpose in having a cost associated with skill and passive respecs, especially not in a single player or non-persistent multiplayer game. I assume at least part of the reason is they don't want people switching back and forth whenever, for example blasting through zones with an aoe/clear setup and then just respeccing when you hit a boss. I also think there is some truth to the feeling of being invested in a character.
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zoux posted:Werebear kicks so much rear end and I love that they give it to you as your first Druid skill. (Also, it's the first class I've played where you aren't making any real tradeoffs for playing with a controller  I borrowed my friends bnet account last summer and played D2 Resurrected, forgot how lovely Druids were in that game. And just how janky D2 feels by modern standards. So having a sick rear end Werebear in Last Epoch has been my jam as well. I wish it were more viable to scale both your ow Physical Damage as well as Minion Damage, because I wanna dump 5 points into Beastmaster to get Summon Bear, but it's just not good  Side note: renaming that _temp file to restore my missing character -- I seem to have lost my Shared Stash (including purchased Tabs), and my Loot Filters
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Sab669 posted:Side note: renaming that _temp file to restore my missing character -- I seem to have lost my Shared Stash (including purchased Tabs), and my Loot Filters Drop the _temp off of Epoch_Local_Global_Data_Beta_temp and those should come back too.
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Too late; looking into my Stash created a new Globa_Data_Beta file and updated the old _temp too.
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Papercut posted:I assume at least part of the reason is they don't want people switching back and forth whenever, for example blasting through zones with an aoe/clear setup and then just respeccing when you hit a boss. i hear that; i just think there are more direct ways to do it ala FF14, grim dawn's key dungeons, and even literally how LE already works since if you portal out of a monolith you have to restart it. idk maybe it works differently in other types of endgame content i haven't seen yet tangenting into feeling invested in a character via FF14 -- i'm invested AF in my potato *because* respeccing is so painless. obvs it's a different system in a different genre, but i think it underscores that "invested in a character" and "barriers to swapping that character into a different playstyle on the fly" are two separate constructs. to the extent that they're related, it seems more like a personal preference thing which, to be extremely clear is cool. different strokes, different folks, etc re: losing shared stash and tabs: 
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I just respecced after hitting 70 and my skills were back to level 18 before I hit 71. Didn't seem too punishing, really. It does suck a lot more at low levels, I'm sure.
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At some point they really should just make your Min Skill Level = 20 though.
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Took 3 tries to kill Lagon, his cold (?) beam is definitely really spooky. Even with 1500 HP, max resists and great Endurance if I stood in it for more than half a second I was dead. And sometimes my pathing would just seem to lock up, but maybe I was stunned? I think the Monoliths need to be more rewarding. I didn't really time myself but it probably took 60-80 minutes to do all the Echoes + the 2 Monolith Quests before it... And my rewards are +Lightning Resist, which is maxed. +Cold Damage, which I don't deal. Or +Freeze Multiplier, which I don't deal. The previous monolith had equally disinteresting rewards. At least on the first one I got a thing that increases Unique drop rates marginally.
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Sab669 posted:Took 3 tries to kill Lagon, his cold (?) beam is definitely really spooky. Even with 1500 HP, max resists and great Endurance if I stood in it for more than half a second I was dead. And sometimes my pathing would just seem to lock up, but maybe I was stunned? Blessing are just a bonus, the real treasure is the
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Sure, but that hardly feels like even a bonus.
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It's a huge bonus with the grand blessings. Like the leech from throwing attacks from Rayeh is amazing for some builds. The crit avoidance one opens up an item. There's endurance and endurance threshold available too which are massive. The one thing I don't like about blessings is they are treated like an item drop that I have to constantly farm. Grinding up the stability to take another crack at Lagon or Heirot or Rayeh to get the right blessing at the right roll is a little too much treadmill. Would much rather they increase in quality with experience or with completed timelines or something.
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Do ailments stack 'infinitely'? Like my Shred Armor stacks just say "15+", so I assume there's more but if so why doesn't the game just tell me how many... There seems to be a lot of Redundancy in the various Necromancer skills & passives, it makes it really hard to figure out what's worth taking. I can get +200% Minion Armor Shred Chance from passives, and another +100% Chance from Bone Curse. I know that 300% Chance means 1 hit = 3 stacks, but I hit 15 stacks really quickly so like I'm not sure how worthwhile it is to invest in more depending on what's actually happening under the hood....
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Sab669 posted:Do ailments stack 'infinitely'? Like my Shred Armor stacks just say "15+", so I assume there's more but if so why doesn't the game just tell me how many... Apparently its a resource issue that limits excessive amount of stacks to show in either UI or visual effects. AFAIK effects stack indefinetely.
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Huh, weird. Good to know. Skeleton Mages feel tremendously weak; it's so easy to find Minion Physical Damage all over the place whereas Minion Necrotic Damage is practically nonexistent, as well as other elemental types should you specialize into the skill and pick up the Pyro/Cryomancer. And the Physical Damage helps out Golems too. Of course just straight, vanilla "Minion Damage" is best of all but  Given that I only have 3 mages but 7 regular skeletons I'd expect them to feel much better than "slow moving projectile"e; watching a Necro build guide, I guess it's more prominent later on + more Skill Levels, especially with certain Item Implicits you just don't see while leveling. But yea level 30-40 they just plink for like 40 damage while the rest of my dudes are hitting for 400. Sab669 fucked around with this message at 17:21 on Jan 14, 2022 |
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I keep making alts and respeccing so I've tried out 15 or so different builds, and I can't find a good ranged build/class. what do you guys like, especially for sorc
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Assuming I can share my build later I'll post it, but I had decent success up to ~75 with Volcanic Orb and Meteor and a whole bunch of +Fire Damage.
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Mikojan posted:Apparently its a resource issue that limits excessive amount of stacks to show in either UI or visual effects. It makes me super curious about their spaghetti code that they can calculate the damage from unlimited stacks of bleed, but it's too resource intensive to actually display the number of stacks.
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Vulpes posted:It makes me super curious about their spaghetti code that they can calculate the damage from unlimited stacks of bleed, but it's too resource intensive to actually display the number of stacks. Yea its all a bit weird, for what it's worth here is the dev post adressing this question: quote:We would love to be able to give the full ailment stack counts. We can’t do it without compromising the performance of the game. I know this seems like a trivial system. It’s something that people were very confused about why we didn’t have it at all for a long time. This has been on our feature request list for years. The 15 stack limit is the only way we have been able to get the performance we need to not cause major problems. Apparently increasing the stack counter by 1 doubles the resources that go into it.
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0-15 variable sizes strike again lol
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Captain Foo posted:0-15 That's not it this time, because it also knows when it's more than 15, so that's 17 states in total. I remember seeing another quote along the lines of it being to the order of an O(log n) problem to calculate the number of stacks, and becoming prohibitively costly past ~15 stacks. My best guess is that their UI code must be so siloed-off from their calculations that it requires a whole separate calculation just to return the number of stacks, and the way the stacks are stored doesn't allow you say 'give me all the stacks for this NPC'. It's really bugging me though!
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Vulpes posted:That's not it this time, because it also knows when it's more than 15, so that's 17 states in total. going full speculation i'd guess that the damage-dealing code doesn't actually keep track of the number of stacks but rather it processes everything available
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Captain Foo posted:going full speculation i'd guess that the damage-dealing code doesn't actually keep track of the number of stacks but rather it processes everything available They need to store it on some kind of per-stack basis though because each stack can have a different duration and a different DPS/effect. Even if they are fudging that part and making every stack the same, each stack still has to have it's own expiry time. So it's not just as simple as merging them into one big stack with a single value. I don't work on performance-critical applications or games so I guess there's a bunch of tricks I don't know about that make this more complex than it seems. Or they just wrote some dumb code and now it's too late to change it. Either way.
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speaking of stacks, does Increased Damage While Channeling affect poison stacks generated by Flurry?
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Vulpes posted:They need to store it on some kind of per-stack basis though because each stack can have a different duration and a different DPS/effect. Even if they are fudging that part and making every stack the same, each stack still has to have it's own expiry time. So it's not just as simple as merging them into one big stack with a single value. anyway that's actually my point, there is no such thing as a Standard Stack so in order to get a count you'd have to call out to the UI code every time you process a stack in order to update the display. the damage calculations only know how many stacks there are after processing all of them
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well regardless, poison flurry just mulched majusa
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This isn't me but the exact same thing happened to me. quote:Currently at Rahyeh’s Warpath. Last night I was in the chamber. Quest direction is to explore and leave the chamber. Any ideas?
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The new Dev Blog is out. They've dropped the Bazaar idea and are going to implement some form of item trading. There also going to focus a lot more on Dungeons. There's two more coming out, each with unique rewards. Plus a whole bunch of unique item models, visual changes, animation adds, under-the-hood changes, etc. https://forum.lastepoch.com/t/0-8-5-on-the-horizon-development-update-january-2022/47651
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