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I think taking them on by just yelling ineffectually that you would like it to be different as they simply change the rules to make it so that they stay in control regardless of the outcome, is probably impossible. And recent history has shown that this state of affairs is maintainable for a very long time.
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blunt posted:Absolutely never gonna happen. The subscription numbers are awful for Youtube Premium while their ad revenue last quarter was $7billion. Google's search ad revenue in Q3 2021 was $37.9 billion, by comparison, and search doesn't involve processing and storing 400 hours of video every minute. Google didn't even release figures for Youtube until 2020 as it was infamously unprofitable.
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josh04 posted:Google's search ad revenue in Q3 2021 was $37.9 billion, by comparison, and search doesn't involve processing and storing 400 hours of video every minute. Google didn't even release figures for Youtube until 2020 as it was infamously unprofitable. Sure, but they've been trying to make Youtube premium a thing since 2015, including funding premium-exclusive content and it turns out nobody wants to pay for Youtube. Being the internet video destination isn't something Alphabet are going to willingly give up when they're still growing year-on-year profits of $40+billion.
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radmonger posted:Labour is bankrupt, swiftly losing members, and led by charisma-free obvious idiots. Ones who will always be returning fewer MPs to parliament, and so supporting a smaller of career staff posts, than any alternative. This would seem to me to make changing course absolutely politics on easy mode, something that will naturally happen unless some unpredictable event prevents it. I think I just made it, but when your goal is to extinguish the left in politics then it doesn't matter to you whether you paint the red car blue or crash it into a tree. Labour can in theory be saved by the vote staying home everywhere outside constituencies with proper left wing candidates, but that has two problems. First, if the Labour electorate could identify right wing candidates instead of just ticking the box by the red rose then we wouldn't have this problem to begin with. Second, it would collapse Labour to the point where they wouldn't even be the Opposition any more, and we're left with either the Tories and Lib Dems struggling over who can be the biggest oval office or just simply a permanent Tory government with a 200 majority enacting full fascism.
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OwlFancier posted:And as long as that is happening, there is no impetus to organize an alternative. Labour was not born at the beginning of time, it arose out of need because there was a political desire that it was commonly felt was going unfulfilled, and I do not think you will see an alternative form as long as it exists and is regarded as "the only credibletm left party" Like honestly that's probably what people should be focusing on, not Labour being shitbags or some mythical New
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I think it was Frankie Boyle who said "the worst thing about the Americans launching military action against your country is that they come back ten years later to make a movie about how all the killing they did made the soldiers sad..." (Or words to that effect). Here's the BBC doing exactly that but with Jimmy Savile... https://twitter.com/MetroUK/status/1483030466726879233?t=Hmiwgw5BOFVycGEZhd98cA&s=19 https://metro.co.uk/2022/01/17/steve-coogan-plays-out-jimmy-saviles-vile-campaign-of-abuse-in-new-scenes-15929975/?ito=twitter
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The various liberal people and groups mourning the BBC are more than welcome to try to organise some method of saving it and if they find they need the support of the left to make any sort of impact then alls the better as they'll have to make some sort of effort to attract us to the campaign, some carrot about how the BBC would operate in future to make it worthwhile. Until then though I'm openly neutral to the end of the BBC, it's a shame on the cultural and educational fronts but this is political and it's simply not a good thing to have socialists bending themselves into all kind of knots defending liberal institutions which are coldly neutral at best to leftwing politics. Anyway, hopefully the proposal wasn't enough to get the press off Johnsons back and he'll still get driven out.
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Jan 17, 2022 19:33
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OwlFancier posted:That seems a lot like arriving at the idea that the left should know their place and serve the center because they can't possibly organize anything themselves. In my experience the issue is that leftists will split hairs on things and splinter because ultimately very few seem to subscribe to the idea of compromising or working with people you don’t agree with, or even dislike, for a greater good. Personally I think this stems from a sense of hopelessness - leftists don’t feel like they can win, deep down, so they may as well be right. Purity politics is a cancer. This isn’t the only issue by a long stretch but in my experience of far left organising, it’s a very major one and what ended up ultimately causing me to disengage.
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Personally I would suggest that it probably has something to do with "working with people you disagree with and dislike but who tell you it's for the greater good, which then fails to manifest" being the entirety of the left experience. Everybody will tell you that doing something you think is wrong is actually for your own good, and almost all the time it will not be.
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https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1483113109938188291 Thats quite a swing from a month ago.
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I would suggest that it probably has something to do with "working with people you disagree with and dislike but who tell you it's for the greater good, which then fails to manifest" being the entirety of the left experience. I get where you're coming from, but... I dunno. Why is it always the left who should be willing to compromise their values? If that's the way it must be, should we start being a little more understanding of the liberals who happily worked with the far right to put socialism down over the last half decade? Corbyn was the compromise for many and he was treated - even by some of those you're implying we should be more amenable to working with - as thought he was some kind of reincarnation of Stalin and Hitler combined. Some of us compromised to work with the softer elements of the Labour left in 2017 and 2019. Look where it got us. Where do you draw the line? (EDIT: Apologies, you've probably all heard this exact same point made in myriad ways, so forgive my repeating it) Prole fucked around with this message at 19:48 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I would suggest that it probably has something to do with "working with people you disagree with and dislike but who tell you it's for the greater good, which then fails to manifest" being the entirety of the left experience.
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I don't know why Coogan is playing that role tbh, seems like a horrible decision by everyone involved
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Lady Demelza posted:I also think it's very sweet that people think Youtube isn't going to fully move to a subscription service evetually. It already has that option. And all 15 people who like watching videos of men making model railways in their sheds and ignore the Jordan Peterson videos will happily pay for it whilst arguing this is completely different from the BBC licence. Excuse me, we will move to twitch!
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Prole posted:I get where you're coming from, but... I dunno. In case it wasn't clear my personal position is that telling people to gently caress off is entirely acceptable, and I don't at all trust people who claim that you need to compromise, by which they mean simply doing as they say. It achieves about as much as working with the liberals but is much more enjoyable.
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sebzilla posted:I don't know why Coogan is playing that role tbh, seems like a horrible decision by everyone involved https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fjRg-bBy8iU
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Prole posted:I get where you're coming from, but... I dunno. The right compromises too. There is a huge void between Tory policy and what Priti Patel would do with divine power. A world shaped by Steve Baker, again, would be vastly different from Priti's. Their uniting characteristic is being poo poo and cruel. The goal of politics should be to shift opinion, and thus, the centre, closer to your point of view. This is why "centrists" are so vapid. They are literal puppets
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CGI Stardust posted:not the entirety, no, there's also "the group leader / a higher-up (elected or de-facto) turns out to be a sex pest or domestic abuser, and all their friends circle the wagons to defend them" sebzilla posted:I don't know why Coogan is playing that role tbh, seems like a horrible decision by everyone involved
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jiggerypokery posted:The right compromises too. There is a huge void between Tory policy and what Priti Patel would do with divine power. I dunno. CHIS Bill, PCSC Bill, Nationality & Borders Bill... For someone without divine power she sure is getting her way. Because that's always how it works: the ones to the left, regardless of how far right they are, are the ones that end up compromising. Lib Dems got themselves a 5p plastic bag charge by agreeing to tougher benefits sanctions... Is that compromise from both parties? Or is it just compromising your values for nothing? EDIT: When was the last time a load of centrist labour melts turned up to campaign for a left wing candidate? Meanwhile, in 2017 I and hundreds of other leftists spend 13 hours a day pounding the streets knocking doors for one of the most vapid, would-be CHUK (if they'd have had her) MPs in the Labour Party. First thing she did when she won her seat was say that "despite the shadow of Jeremy Corbyn, we were successful because this constituency knows that the Labour Party is more than its leader!" I walked out of her little victory party there and then. Prole fucked around with this message at 20:09 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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The Question IRL posted:But this documentary accurately explained it all. And how clones don't have belly buttons so you can tell them apart from real people. God this is from days ago but it's a reference I just have to make; Fuckin' nipple-necks!
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OwlFancier posted:Personally I would suggest that it probably has something to do with "working with people you disagree with and dislike but who tell you it's for the greater good, which then fails to manifest" being the entirety of the left experience. If you let yourself be the one who gets poo poo on at the end of that, then that’s on you imo. Do that to them instead. Be ruthless. E: obviously there is a point where you draw the line. And I’m not just talking about liberals. Or talking about liberals at all. I’m talking about people on the left. Socialists, Leninists, anarchists, syndicalists, trade Union people, hell, democratic socialists. You will never find these groups working together because of that no compromise attitude. And ego. A lot of that. On the other side, the capitalists all work together whether they’re neolibs or neocons or old school patricians or whatever, cos… well, certainly not cos they don’t have big egos. I suspect because they’re happy to say ‘eh, close enough for now!’ whereas no one on the left seems okay with that. Jakabite fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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I mean leninists and anarchists want absolutely fundamentally different things, and have fundamentally different views of the world. They might both dislike what they identify as capitalism but you can't expect them to work together because history has demonstrated what happens when they do that, there can only be one winner, and everyone else gets shot. The right function because they all fundamentally believe in the sorting hierarchy of the dominant economic system, the ones at the bottom are fundamentally opposed to anything that would actually empower them, and are generally content to just vote for the assholes in charge when they don't occasionally get the idea to do their own fascism, with donald trump as emperor. But even that seems odd to describe as unity when the tories are currently self destructing. They are all knifing each other internally all the time for power, it's just that they do it while having the inertia to always be in power. I also take exception to the notion that you can just "do that to them instead" as if that is at all possible? Yes let me just magically make it so I get to dictate terms to whoever I feel like, what are power dynamics? OwlFancier fucked around with this message at 20:31 on Jan 17, 2022 |
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Prole posted:I dunno. CHIS Bill, PCSC Bill, Nationality & Borders Bill... For someone without divine power she sure is getting her way. Because that's always how it works: the ones to the left, regardless of how far right they are, are the ones that end up compromising. Lib Dems got themselves a 5p plastic bag charge by agreeing to tougher benefits sanctions... Is that compromise from both parties? Or is it just compromising your values for nothing? You think those bills aren't compromise on her part? History is full of people like her. If she wasn't compromising in some sense the PCSC Bill would include public execution by hanging for "instigators". Just because the compromise they came to is insane, doesn't make it less of a compromise.
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jiggerypokery posted:You think those bills aren't compromise on her part? I'm trying to think of a single example of the left compromising that didn't lead to a much worse outcome than the starting point. Lending votes to Lib Dems in 2010 only for them to jump into bed with the Tories. Lending votes to Starmer in his leadership bid off the back of his pledges only to watch him trash it all and kick us out. Voting to remain in a dogshit institution like the EU because the alternative would be a right wing led exit only to have the FBPE People's Vote crowd poo poo on us from a height when "compromise" mattered more than ever. It all gets under your skin, you know?
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fuctifino posted:I escaped just over 5 years ago. I'm now in 'posh' Okehampton. Soakhampton!
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OwlFancier posted:I mean leninists and anarchists want absolutely fundamentally different things, and have fundamentally different views of the world. They might both dislike what they identify as capitalism but you can't expect them to work together because history has demonstrated what happens when they do that, there can only be one winner, and everyone else gets shot. Sure, but in the medium term they have pretty similar goals. It’s incredibly eye rolling to hear mostly anarchists say ‘oh last time we worked with them kronstadt blah blah blah’ when the world is currently self destructing. Like maybe sort that stuff out later? When the world isn’t literally about to start boiling us to death due to our shared enemy.
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Why would they do that when they they are proposing to build structures that the entire anarchist critique, suggests would 1. also boil us alive and 2. boil the anarchists first? That's just, again, demanding people do things they quite reasonably do not perceive to be in their interest out of some vague, utterly unsubstantiated promise of it being actually good for them.
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I would absolutely not expect anarchists to trust or work with leninists, even as more broadly I think the left is far too riven with factionalism and in-fighting. But also it bears mentioning that most of the left did put aside their differences in the short term to support things that, ultimately, fell very far short of what many of us think is necessary - Corbyn and Bernie are neither of them the radicals the center and right claims, but when they seemed viable options we backed them anyway. Hell, beyond even that, how many on the left voted even for poo poo like Clinton or Biden, because at least they're not Trump? And at that point you really are getting into the question of what it achieves because it makes the Lib Dems look like canny operators for getting a 5p plastic bag tax, it's more than we've loving extracted as compromises from the right.
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https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1482684824880132100quote:This campaign would be targeted through an “agreed list of media outlets”, including “sofa programmes” such as Loose Women and This Morning for broadcast. The slide notes the project is “exploring a partnership” with the tabloid newspaper The Sun — the UK’s second-best selling newspaper. I wonder if this will include a storyline on Eastenders 🤔 Read the article though, the whole thing is wild. Including: quote:Perhaps the most striking and unsettling action is planned for this stage, which M&C Saatchi states “will create a visual PR stunt.”
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josh04 posted:Google's search ad revenue in Q3 2021 was $37.9 billion, by comparison, and search doesn't involve processing and storing 400 hours of video every minute. Google didn't even release figures for Youtube until 2020 as it was infamously unprofitable. I don't have an envelope big enough to work it out but I feel pretty confident that Youtube's infrastructure costs are considerably less than $7bn a quarter, or even a year. The reason Google are the biggest company on earth isn't to do with the quality of any of their products, but their ability to spin up a completely distributed, hardware- and network-agnostic network on very, very cheap hardware. Seriously, it almost never gets talked about outside of extremely nerdy circles but they were doing cloud computing a decade before Amazon (who poached a big chunk of Google's infrastructure teams to set up what became AWS), and using it to build a CDN[1] a couple of years before Akamai got in on the act. They've never been much interested in selling that as a service because it's so completely specialised for their own purposes but they'd have stayed a small and interesting footnote in the history of search technology if they hadn't been able to run their incredibly storage and processor-intensive PageRank algorithm on a load of redundant and obsolete kit they begged and borrowed in the early days, and they managed to grow so big, and so fast in the early naughties because they hoovered up every old server and desktop being sold off as scrap after the dotcom crash. Their first UK install (at StarSuite, for early-naughties longhairs) looked like the skip out the back of lastminute.com c.2002 - there were Compaq desktops piled on top of SGI servers hooked up with a bunch of Netgear 10-port switches - and yet managed to serve something like 25% of the search traffic *in Europe* at the time. They're a *bit* better about things nowadays - in that their racks at least can close, no longer being wedged open by spaghetti wiring and DL380s that are an inch too deep - but they still have noticeably less hardware (and lots, lots more connectivity) than CDNs for companies like Netflix who are serving a tenth the amount of traffic from a catalogue a thousandth the size. [1] Content Delivery Network - the most expensive thing on the internet isn't the hardware, and certainly isn't 50k lines of javascript to ensure the fart app UI matches the Branding Bible, it's still and always will be long-range connectivity because it turns out you can't get prisoners to run a 4,000 mile fibre under the Atlantic (although give Priti Patel time). A CDN is basically a company that negotiates deals with ISPs where the CDN gets cheap or even free space, power, and connectivity at the ISPs data centres, from where the CDN serves content to the ISPs users, meaning they only have to download that 50k lines of Javascript once over the expensive transatlantic fibre even though a million users all upgrade their fart app on the same day.
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blunt posted:https://twitter.com/RollingStone/status/1482684824880132100 Just have the Beeb go "Look how many things we kept secret, like Jimmy Savile, isn't privacy bad actually?"
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serious gaylord posted:https://twitter.com/LeftieStats/status/1483113109938188291 Brits are an inherently ungrateful lot. What they did to Winston who won WW2 they are now doing to Boris who won Brexit. 
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blunt posted:Read the article though, the whole thing is wild. Including: gently caress lol how is this not a Brass Eye bit
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Failed Imagineer posted:gently caress lol how is this not a Brass Eye bit M&C Satchi accidentally put a real nonce in the box. The one thing we didn't want to happen dot gif.
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