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GlassEye-Boy
Jul 12, 2001

Stringent posted:

This is why there is a stark difference between China and the West. As bad as things can get, there are many self-correcting mechanisms that eventually curb the worst of the excesses. Cold comfort for those who lose their lives literally or metaphorically I know but when was the last time China had such a soul-searching moment? The day the CCP comes out and acknowledges shitstorms like Tiananmen was a mistake and that those responsible, if still alive should be punished; the day they allow independent media to examine the mass persecution of Falun Gong and unearth those who are responsible and let Falun Gong victims sue the CCP for recompense, I'll be onbard with you.

Until then, I see a giant canyon between CCP led China and Western nations, USA in all its gory injustices included.

Wish I could persecute some Falun Gong fuckos right now.

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sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
it's so funny to hear people uncritically defend them.

Like, I have a friend from Hong Kong who's fairly middle of the road on stuff, not really 'anti-China' but falls into the kinda generic HK 'well the response to the protests was too aggressive even if the protests were dumb' centrist stuff you see a lot. Even she makes fun of how dumb Falun Gong supporters are and how hilarious it is people in the west get hoodwinked by them. loving nobody respects those guys!

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat

sexpig by night posted:

what were the people at Tiananmen protesting for? What exact 'rights' did they want?

Was it the right to lynch African students?

i am pro choice

sexpig by night
Sep 8, 2011

by Azathoth
if anyone should be on Falun Gong's side it should be a person who's main view on China's behavior is 'I'm not anti CCP but they should be nicer to the people who keep trying to undermine them' and they can't even get that! Total joke cult, sad.

Ferrinus
Jun 19, 2003

i'm finding this quite easy, i guess in part because i'm a fast type but also because i have a coherent mental model of the world

brugroffil posted:

Didn't they acknowledge that some mistakes were made during the great leap forward decades ago

yes the irony is that the stark difference is that the cpc does self crit and course correction all the time while in the US you've got the FBI publicly dancing on martin luther king's grave once per year

Grapplejack
Nov 27, 2007


Threatening to cut them out of SWIFT might work but they barely use dollars at this point, so if the US does this and it fails that's the end

DiscountDildos
Nov 8, 2017

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1484018878132936706?s=20

Lmao so loving funny

God dammit putin you've disappointed me

DiscountDildos has issued a correction as of 05:46 on Jan 20, 2022

BULBASAUR
Apr 6, 2009




Soiled Meat
But in hundreds of other cases of possible symptoms, the agency found plausible, alternate explanations: China

ikanreed
Sep 25, 2009

I honestly I have no idea who cannibal[SIC] is and I do not know why I should know.

syq dude, just syq!
The weird part is admitting it

Nonsense
Jan 26, 2007


Good.

HiroProtagonist
May 7, 2007

KomradeX posted:

This kid got what he deserved

No he deserved worse but I'm ok with him staying dead

30.5 Days
Nov 19, 2006
Just waitin around for all the successful lawsuits by gay people who got locked up in dubai for looking at someone wrong.

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

“Otto Warmbier” lol

Fortaleza
Feb 21, 2008

[CIA guy looks around nervously] “my name? Uhh… Hans.. Curdlemilk”

Truga
May 4, 2014
Lipstick Apathy

eSports Chaebol posted:

genocide is happening but let’s not be unlawful. let’s ask liberals what they think of the Warsaw ghetto uprising (actually let’s don’t)

i've seen radical centrists take the position of "it was bad because people died", implying getting gassed a few weeks later is better than getting shot now because you fight back

Cao Ni Ma posted:

More and more countries are going to be like this as the US loses the ability to project power as more countries become more essential to each other.

always nice to see the great successes of the globalist movement :v:

Jose
Jul 24, 2007

Adrian Chiles is a broadcaster and writer
Lol

https://twitter.com/getfiscal/status/1484044628441677827?t=FNiSGhiPMSKiqbzVDYGa2A&s=19

Zodium
Jun 19, 2004

Top City Homo posted:

my theory has always been that the PRC uses the USA as a Palantir into the future for "if we gently caress up the economy completely, gut the interior with drugs, unemployment and plague, and just go hog wild with bullshit economic bubbles, how will our economy look in 30 years?" then adjust in the opposite direction.

:nsavince:

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

CHINA hopes the next Philippine president will continue President Duterte’s “independent foreign policy,” a senior ranking Chinese politician and retired diplomat said.

Madame Fu Ying, chairperson of the influential foreign affairs committee of the Chinese parliament, said China, the Philippines and the region benefited from Duterte’s pivot towards China when he assumed presidency in 2016.

“[Duterte’s] independent foreign policy has won him respect from countries in the region, including from China, and he is willing to face the difficult issues with China, and find proper solutions, and he was able to reach consensus with the Chinese leaders, and allowing the relationship to come out of a difficult time and gain vitality,” Fu Ying said during the recent virtual conference billed as the 5th Manila Forum for Philippine-China Relations.

“It’s not only good for the two countries, two peoples, but also good for the region. So I hope that in the future, whoever is succeeding him will be able to wisely, courageously, and responsibly carry out Philippine independent foreign policy,” Fu Ying added.

Fu Ying had served as the Chinese Ambassador to Manila for two years from 1998 to 2000, at the time when relations between Manila and Beijing were strained as a result of China’s increased occupation of the Panganiban Reef (international name: Mischief Reef) in the West Philippine Sea. She was also appointed as the Chinese ambassador to Australia and the United Kingdom, before being promoted as vice foreign minister of China. Now, she chairs the foreign affairs committee of the National People’s Congress, and US think tanks have described her as a “senior figure in a growing number of US-China interactions.”

...

Fu Ying said she has been watching the recent spat between the Philippines and China over the West Philippine Sea, referring to reports of Chinese Coast Guard firing water cannon on a Philippine boat that transported food to Filipino soldiers stationed at Ayungin Shoal (international name: Second Thomas Shoal) last November. Foreign Affairs Secretary Teodoro Locsin Jr. protested the incident in “strongest terms” to a point of mentioning the treaty alliance the Philippines has with the United States.

“I have been watching the recent occasional hyping up of the disputes caused by some incidents related to some shoals in China’s Nansha Islands [also known as the Spratly Islands] and feel a bit concerned, hoping the two sides would properly handle it and avoid rolling back the mutual trust that both sides have worked so hard to build in the past years,” Fu Ying said.

Fu Ying suggested that both sides “stay firmly on the positive side” of the relationship and put the Spratly Islands dispute “at an appropriate place and properly handled through dialogues.” The Chinese foreign minister went further, saying that both sides should prevent the Spratly island issue from affecting or “taking hostage” the overall bilateral relationship.

She warned that the West Philippine Sea dispute will be used as an election issue in the Philippines in the upcoming presidential elections in May this year.

“I am aware that the election season is unfolding in Manila. The past experience shows that during such time, some people tend to bring up the disputes with China or try to stand tough against China which appear to be ‘politically correct.’

“Some Filipino scholars are expressing concerns of such tendency, stating that the disputes should not become a defining issue for our relations.

“I agree with such views and hope those who have foresight and stand for China-Philippines friendship can speak up and provide positive influence and we should work together to keep our relations on the right track,” Fu Ying said.

Wang Yi reassured the Philippines that “China will absolutely not use its strength to bully smaller countries, and we never believe in a winner-takes-all approach.”

“We hope to work with the Philippines to find ways to properly manage and resolve the issue in the spirit of goodwill and pragmatism. We need to come up with the resolve as soon as possible to advance joint development without prejudice to either side’s rights and claims, so that we can turn the South China Sea issue from a challenge into an opportunity and a positive factor conducive to the development of the Philippines and the friendship between our two peoples,” Wang Yi added.

this might be the first time the phrase "politically correct" has been used according to its original intent and meaning

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


sexpig by night posted:

what were the people at Tiananmen protesting for? What exact 'rights' did they want?

Was it the right to lynch African students?

Have we hyped ourselves here into believing that was the only reason for people to march in Tiananmen and across Beijing?

quote:

On April 17, spontaneous memorials for Hu occurred in 26 university campuses across Beijing. Government records of this occurrence "noted that activities had already turned from mourning Hu to complaining about how he was treated by the CCP and then to wider social grievances" (Kerns, 48). The student mourners would then begin to organize marches, eventually reaching Tiananmen Square. The students had drawn up a list of seven items (that is, demands) for discussion, which were:


"1. reevaluate [the government's] treatment of Hu Yaobang and announce that his views on democracy had been correct;

2. end the campaigns against spiritual pollution and bourgeois liberalization;

3. publish the salaries and other assets of government leaders and their families;

4. end government censorship of the press and allow the publication of privately run newspapers;

5. increase government spending on higher education and increase wages for intellectuals;

6. end government restrictions on demonstrations in Beijing;

7. hold democratic elections to replace corrupt or ineffective government officials who had been appointed by the CCP" (Kerns, 49)

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

sexpig by night posted:

loving nobody respects those guys!

Westerners aren't really interested in what Falun Gong actually believes just like we're not interested in what Mujahideen e Khalq actually believes. They're bludgeons to use against our enemies and that's all that matters.

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Not So Fast posted:

Have we hyped ourselves here into believing that was the only reason for people to march in Tiananmen and across Beijing?

did you seriously just unironically quote reddit as an authority on this

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

quote:

2. end the campaigns against spiritual pollution and bourgeois liberalization;

lol

Not So Fast
Dec 27, 2007


Some Guy TT posted:

did you seriously just unironically quote reddit as an authority on this

Are the demands quoted inaccurate?

I'm not making a value call on the demands, further economic liberalisation of China would have been a disaster, but its worth engaging with it beyond the other protests about wanting to kick out African students.

Not So Fast has issued a correction as of 09:10 on Jan 20, 2022

Top City Homo
Oct 15, 2014


Ramrod XTreme
lol my jokes were always true but glad that my POC Stalin's lived experience is now on twitter

https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/1483649797894647816

Some Guy TT
Aug 30, 2011

Not So Fast posted:

Are the demands quoted inaccurate?

i have absolutely no idea but youre not exactly starting your argument off on the right foot by being so ashamed of your source you didnt want to tell us what it was

Judakel
Jul 29, 2004
Probation
Can't post for 9 years!
black stalin

gradenko_2000
Oct 5, 2010

HELL SERPENT
Lipstick Apathy

Top City Homo posted:

lol my jokes were always true but glad that my POC Stalin's lived experience is now on twitter

https://twitter.com/DougHenwood/status/1483649797894647816

he's right and he should say it

https://twitter.com/DeemTheDreem/status/1414695553452036096

EDIT: let's also not forget that POC author Domenico Losurdo called Stalin a "black legend"

gradenko_2000 has issued a correction as of 09:22 on Jan 20, 2022

Mantis42
Jul 26, 2010

Trotsky loathed the fact that Stalin had an n-word pass and he did not.

Palladium
May 8, 2012

Very Good
✔️✔️✔️✔️

BULBASAUR posted:

But in hundreds of other cases of possible symptoms, the agency found plausible, alternate explanations: China

and somehow this was also deemed much more urgent in funding than issuing masks and covid ARTs for americans

Falstaff
Apr 27, 2008

I have a kind of alacrity in sinking.

Stringent posted:

This is why there is a stark difference between China and the West. As bad as things can get, there are many self-correcting mechanisms that eventually curb the worst of the excesses. Cold comfort for those who lose their lives literally or metaphorically I know but when was the last time China had such a soul-searching moment? The day the CCP comes out and acknowledges shitstorms like Tiananmen was a mistake and that those responsible, if still alive should be punished; the day they allow independent media to examine the mass persecution of Falun Gong and unearth those who are responsible and let Falun Gong victims sue the CCP for recompense, I'll be onbard with you.

Until then, I see a giant canyon between CCP led China and Western nations, USA in all its gory injustices included.

So has this guy just not been paying attention to all the protesters who have been brutalized, arrested, and imprisoned during BLM, Standing Rock, Occupy, etc? And it's not like this is new; off the top of my head, nobody was ultimately held responsible for Kent State, for example.

Also, I thought the succ thread was for this sort of syq.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

Falstaff posted:

So has this guy just not been paying attention to all the protesters who have been brutalized, arrested, and imprisoned during BLM, Standing Rock, Occupy, etc? And it's not like this is new; off the top of my head, nobody was ultimately held responsible for Kent State, for example.

Also, I thought the succ thread was for this sort of syq.

It's a disparity in exposure and coverage. Westerners are constantly bombarded with liberal propaganda and are raised to believe that their countries make mistakes but ultimately mean well. Meanwhile China is more and more constantly reported on as a mass murdering nation of psychopathic slaves. People move on from riots and other uprisings to their day to day lived experience like nothing happened, while very few people have any real lived experiences in China.

So in the end all that remains is your ideological conditioning. Those uprisings in the US are all just bumps in the road to a nebulous liberal utopia, but China wants to achieve worldwide fascism.

I Love Annie May
Oct 10, 2012

Stringent posted:

the day they allow independent media to examine the mass persecution of Falun Gong and unearth those who are responsible and let Falun Gong victims sue the CCP for recompense, I'll be onbard with you.



I really wonder how it feels like living in Japan, which is still suffering from the fallout caused by Aum Shinrikyo, and pretending that Falun Gong isn't a murderous mass death cult but it actually deserves rehabilitation. Like, where the gently caress is your conscience?!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

I Love Annie May posted:

I really wonder how it feels like living in Japan, which is still suffering from the fallout caused by Aum Shinrikyo, and pretending that Falun Gong isn't a murderous mass death cult but it actually deserves rehabilitation. Like, where the gently caress is your conscience?!

lol

fart simpson
Jul 2, 2005

DEATH TO AMERICA
:xickos:

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


image text goes here

I Love Annie May posted:

I really wonder how it feels like living in Japan, which is still suffering from the fallout caused by Aum Shinrikyo

i'm glad someone finally loving recognizes how lovely it is living in a city with no trashcans anywhere

FishBulbia
Dec 22, 2021

DiscountDildos posted:

https://twitter.com/BreakingNews/status/1484018878132936706?s=20

Lmao so loving funny

God dammit putin you've disappointed me

https://twitter.com/USAMRIID/status/1484024836892549122

its the commie brain rays, here take this tinfoil

Crusader
Apr 11, 2002

FishBulbia posted:

https://twitter.com/USAMRIID/status/1484024836892549122

its the commie brain rays, here take this tinfoil

https://i.imgur.com/8oiV8tN.mp4

Stringent
Dec 22, 2004


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internalize the contradictions of managing empire!

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

https://twitter.com/MarkAmesExiled/status/1484142280068014080?s=20

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Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Stringent posted:

i'm glad someone finally loving recognizes how lovely it is living in a city with no trashcans anywhere

do they make you keep it in your pockets?

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