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Fantastic Foreskin posted:The final update to flash issac (the eternal edition) added a hard mode that, among other things, gave the d6 a chance to make items disappear. Lol, that's pretty funny
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yeah the eternal edition loving sucked and giving the D6 a (iirc) 50% chance to just delete the item is just dumb
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Jan 23, 2022 14:31
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but it was a passion project by florian himsl and giving the ultra pride enemy that’s based on him a chance to drop the eternal d6 is a nice nod
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Jan 23, 2022 14:35
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Eternal Edition was supposed to be the hardest challenge for the toughest players, but it just made everything a slog.
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drat, i guess florian really was in tune with edmund's design ethos all along
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Jan 23, 2022 15:48
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afterbirth+ reminded me a lot of eternal edition because it was also not very fun and many of the changes were made just to make the game needlessly harder and not fun imo
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I can't speak for how Eternal Edition is now, but it got nerfed after launch. I never played the nerfed version since I already completed hard mode by then and didn't want to go back to try again. But it was an absolutely miserable experience when it first released. The neat part was that bosses were given new mechanics and in some cases AI. The not so neat part was that they were given a ridiculous amount of HP, your damage was capped in the case you had too many damage ups (which was really hard to pull off because that version of WOTL actually made every single DPS increasing item a Special item now), and some of the bosses had regenerating HP. Oh were you hoping to get around this by finding Dr. Fetus, Epic Fetus, or Brimstone? Sorry, all those items had their spawn rates gutted in hard mode. Also some boss mechanics were clearly not tested at launch and resulted in several instances of literally unavoidable damage. Eternal Pestilence now dashed across the screen 3 times, leaving behind a completely solid creep trail each time, which completely boxed you in and left you completely at the mercy of the ipecac shots and the maggots. A later update actually opened up gaps in the creeps making it possible to deal with the boss unscathed. Eternal Envy's chunks refused back together if they touched and every one of them could actually attack you beyond the whole bouncing around the room thing. Araxxor fucked around with this message at 20:18 on Jan 23, 2022 |
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Jan 23, 2022 16:41
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yeah i don’t think i got a single hardmode unlock. i tried a few runs and quickly decided this just loving sucks and went on to 100% hotline miami instead out of spite because the one game i had perfected on steam had a bunch of new extremely unfun achievements added to it
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Jan 23, 2022 17:49
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there’s an “eternal edition” mod for repentance that I tried once which is extremely horseshit but also kinda cool since it makes pretty big changes to all the enemies and bosses. might be fun to play with cheats enabled or something.
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16-bit Butt-Head posted:afterbirth+ reminded me a lot of eternal edition because it was also not very fun and many of the changes were made just to make the game needlessly harder and not fun imo yeah the best thing about repentance is that they made it all feel like antibirth instead of afterbirth/afterbirth+ while still retaining the good things that those expansions added. i was pretty nervous that we were just going to get antibirth content in an AB+ balance context and that would have sucked compared to antibirth
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Jan 23, 2022 22:26
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Just found out that apparently Singe's (the farting boss in ash-pit) spike balls are considered impenetrable enemies instead of terrain. My spectral tears suddenly failed me. It may suck to die over and over with tainted keeper but I am more likely to learn all the weird idiosyncrasies of the game when I'm getting killed by them.
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Jan 24, 2022 01:49
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Someone explain how to beat Greedier with the stupid bag of crafting tainted character. Because uh... it's totally bullshit. All the items I can sorta craft are poo poo and then everything you need money to buy items but also need money to craft? I dunno. Feels impossible.
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Jan 24, 2022 17:04
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I didnt look up recioes and even then d20 was relatively common. Just keeo trying and itll eventually drop
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poemdexter posted:Someone explain how to beat Greedier with the stupid bag of crafting tainted character. Because uh... it's totally bullshit. All the items I can sorta craft are poo poo and then everything you need money to buy items but also need money to craft? I dunno. Feels impossible. You can calculate possible recipes for your seed with platinumgod: https://platinumgod.co.uk/bag-of-crafting/index.html I guess just keep holding R until you get an easy craft for steam sale / d20.
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Jan 24, 2022 19:07
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The item description mod now includes bag of crafting recipes based on your seed and available pickups A dang game changer!
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bossy lady posted:You can calculate possible recipes for your seed with platinumgod: Thanks! This will take a bit of manual work, but worth it to knock out this stupid run. AKZ posted:The item description mod now includes bag of crafting recipes based on your seed and available pickups I'm on PS4 so my solution is an iPad nearby with platinumgod site up at all times. Trust me, I'm INCREDIBLY mad I didn't just play on PC to begin with. I'm too far gone now to swap.
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Jan 24, 2022 19:44
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You should be able to use the mechanics as intended and still have a fun and consistent time. Tainted Cain is the only character that has no redeeming qualities, needs a rework but probably won't get one.
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PantsBandit posted:You should be able to use the mechanics as intended and still have a fun and consistent time. Tainted Cain is the only character that has no redeeming qualities, needs a rework but probably won't get one. I definitely agree. I actually only just installed the item description mod. I realized I was sitting there with platinum god open pausing constantly and was like, well let's cut out a middle man.
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Jan 24, 2022 20:52
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I'd still rather use T Cain than T Laz or Jacob and Esau
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Lol the page on works for steam version not the consoles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯.
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Honestly item descriptions should just be in the base game at this point. I can't even trust my memory or all the videos and guides I've watched beyond the past six months because half the items got tweaked or changed recently. I get the argument that the game being obscure helped build a community in the early days but we're past that point please just tell me what stuff does in game! Regarding T. Cain, it feels like they created a character that appeals heavily to the kind of player who will just use the wiki to calculate how to generate broken item combos and break the game in half. However the designers don't actually want to encourage that so we're seeing a back and forth were attempts to make the character less easy to break get reversed engineered bybthe comunity so they can have fun breaking thd game with him again. I think the changes to T.cain so far make him sound a little more appealing to play as but I haven't actually bothered trying for his marks yet because it still sounds like a chore and I'm hoping he'll be patched to be more fun to play without you nose glued to platinum god.
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poemdexter posted:Lol the page on works for steam version not the consoles ¯\_(ツ)_/¯. Oops, sorry. I didn't know it was different between console and PC. Try this one? I know it says switch but some people have claimed it works for playstation: https://wchill.github.io/bindingofisaac/ Mr Phillby posted:Regarding T. Cain, it feels like they created a character that appeals heavily to the kind of player who will just use the wiki to calculate how to generate broken item combos and break the game in half. However the designers don't actually want to encourage that so we're seeing a back and forth were attempts to make the character less easy to break get reversed engineered bybthe comunity so they can have fun breaking thd game with him again. I always had fun with tainted cain just crafting the D20 and birthright then going to town stuffing whatever into the sack of crafting and ending up with a ton of items. You could do that and keep your interaction with platinumgod to a minimum.
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Gello and BFF carried me through Greedier on 3rd attempt today. Easy peasy.
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If Ed and the dev crew can integrate charge bars and five other booster packs of popular fan mods, there is no excuse to not integrate External Item Descriptions
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discovering what items do and being surprised by it is a basic part of the game for new players, imo. obviously whether you personally enjoy that especially dozens of hours into the game is different
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Acerbatus posted:I do kinda wish there was an easier way to unlock tainted characters because god playing maggie is so miserable. I've got more J&E completion marks than maggie ones. Play enough runs with Eden that starting with 2.73 tears and 3.50 damage feels OP.
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Jazerus posted:maggie kinda sucks but she is in a good position to abuse sac rooms at least. if you can feed 8 hits in you've got a 50/50 shot at 7 soul hearts along with a possible angel item and both key pieces (if you feed one of the soul hearts in after you get them) so at least you never have to really worry about health or not being able to go to mega satan I always abandon a Maggie run if I don’t get a sacrifice room that pays out good on level 1.
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What's up with Tainted Eden's health? I feel like I pretty much have a handle on how to play this character it just confuses me when I get hit and my whole health-bar gets re-jiggered. edit: Da gently caress? I just got hit and the Platinum God and Real Platinum God achievements both popped lol. This character... PantsBandit fucked around with this message at 17:28 on Jan 25, 2022 |
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All my Greedier completions with the harder Tainted characters have been completed by either: 1. Gello spamming to get through each level without getting touched and hoping I have the DPS to finish the last boss. 2. Gnawed leaf + any passive damage and letting the game win for me. 3. Sprinkler and battery items or technology zero so I can aim all the extra bullets. I still have Tainted Lost, Tainted Lazarus, Tainted Forgotten, and Tainted Jacob to do. The game loves to spawn enemies on top of me which is killing all my Tainted Lost runs. Tainted Lazarus usually end because I have two sorta weak characters instead of one strong one. Tainted Forgotten is just hell because you can't clear out the spawns fast enough and end up swarmed and die. Tainted Jacob I'm ok until the last few floors where there's just too many enemies/bullets and I dodge into bad situations. I feel Gnawed Leaf is gonna be my savior for the last unlocks and then I'll never have to play Greed/Greedier mode again. PantsBandit posted:What's up with Tainted Eden's health? I feel like I pretty much have a handle on how to play this character it just confuses me when I get hit and my whole health-bar gets re-jiggered. Don't all the stats get reshuffled as well? Or it might be you had some +HP items that get created/removed? Also lol congrats on all your items.
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poemdexter posted:Don't all the stats get reshuffled as well? Or it might be you had some +HP items that get created/removed? Also lol congrats on all your items. That makes sense. I guess the safest HP is soul/black hearts then and everything else could get taken from you at any time.
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poemdexter posted:All my Greedier completions with the harder Tainted characters have been completed by either: I can tell you how to get through Tainted Forgotten in greedier. Chuck you body over the button after each round starts to turn off the next wave. You wont take contact damage with the toss.
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flatluigi posted:discovering what items do and being surprised by it is a basic part of the game for new players, imo. obviously whether you personally enjoy that especially dozens of hours into the game is different Not to mention items and trinkets that I knew what they did before but now they work very differently. And ofc official item descriptions would idealy have a menu toggle anyway. To me the fun of isaac is in how everything interacts with eachother. Combining item and trinket effects to exploit the game's mechanics is fun. Its a hard and sometimes unfair game, exploiting everything the game gives you feels very intentional and its habit of giving you just a vauge piece of text instead of any kind of in game explanation for anything feels out of step with what the game has become.
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I don't really understand how you got 'I don't think people should use the mod' out of what I said but okay
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they should ban the mod and nuke the steam accounts of anyone who installs it
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Super No Vacancy posted:they should ban the mod and nuke the steam accounts of anyone who installs it i agree
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please no I need to finish tainted cain
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flatluigi posted:I don't really understand how you got 'I don't think people should use the mod' out of what I said but okay I got that you were arguing they shouldn't add the mod to the game offically from you saying it was bad for new players? Theres also no mod support for console players which is why i think they should fold the mod that everyone uses into the game itself.
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Mr Phillby posted:Theres also no mod support for console players which is why i think they should fold the mod that everyone uses into the game itself. edmund would lock it behind 100% completion if it was official
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edmund would take down the entire internet to protect the secrets of isaac if he could
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Mr Phillby posted:Honestly item descriptions should just be in the base game at this point. I can't even trust my memory or all the videos and guides I've watched beyond the past six months because half the items got tweaked or changed recently. I've been playing The Void Rains Upon Her Heart a lot lately (sweet little boss rush bullet hell roguelite) and I like the way it handles this stuff. There's a ton of items and most of them are unlocked by completing specific discrete achievements like in BoI and they have similarly vague, generic descriptions. However the primary use for the meta currency you accumulate across runs is "radiating" items (or monsters) you've discovered, which reveals a detailed encyclopedia entry that lists exact numbers and hidden interactions and stuff like that. It's a fun balance between preserving some mystery and not making you need a wiki to understand how things work.
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