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The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

forestry and agriculture. a 50-100 year project to relocate urban populations into rural areas. enuring society against capitalism and counterrevolution by promoting self sufficiency and removing capital's cornerstone, densely concentrated labor.

massive tree farms with 400 year harvest cycles, even more massive conservation areas with no timber harvesting. communities of 50k-100k tops, each centered around a small college for research and education. each housing unit consisting of the housing unit and 5x the area of the housing unit in arable land. the gap caused by loosing out on economies of scale compensated for by having a healthy and educated labor force.

come, join me in my anime rpg hi tech pastoral utopia

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Gene Hackman Fan
Dec 27, 2002

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS
honestly, American Communism already has the Whammy -- hello, a little red gremlin that steals all your money that was previously just handed to you by an equally-weighted 1-in-6 chance? Just as Gritty was expropriated as an icon of the left, this TED talk expla

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!
Truly, nothing spurs people toward leftism like drawing them out of the city and telling them that they're self-made men.

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
Union of Jeffersonian Socialist Republics

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Halloween Jack posted:

Truly, nothing spurs people toward leftism like drawing them out of the city and telling them that they're self-made men.

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

wynott dunn
Aug 9, 2006

What is to be done?

Who or what can challenge, and stand a chance at beating, the corporate juggernauts dominating the world?

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

send them to fish camp

Honky Mao
Dec 26, 2012

every man a seaweed farmer

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

I'll be a game warden after the revolution.

Halloween Jack
Sep 12, 2003
I WILL CUT OFF BOTH OF MY ARMS BEFORE I VOTE FOR ANYONE THAT IS MORE POPULAR THAN BERNIE!!!!!

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.
Do they have any kind of consensus opinion on the Ruby Ridge fiasco?

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Halloween Jack posted:

Do they have any kind of consensus opinion on the Ruby Ridge fiasco?

epic good shoot

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

technically the state owns the farm until full communism is achieved but yeah

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

There are a good deal of people who's idea of leftism is just them owning a small farm somewhere in the middle of bumfuck nowhere.

Leftism is when you don't depend on anyone else or build any kind of community.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

epic good shoot

360 no scope babeality

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

The Voice of Labor posted:

technically the state owns the farm until full communism is achieved but yeah

You should want to live in a community and participate in a society, if you don't society has failed you.

vyelkin
Jan 2, 2011

AnimeIsTrash posted:

You should want to live in a community and participate in a society, if you don't society has failed you.

All those fantasies about living in a cabin and never seeing another human being are stupid anyway because the person never extends their fantasy as far as "and hey if I trip and break my leg, I'll just die," instead they always assume there's a baseline society in the background to save them in times of crisis, they just want to benefit from that society without contributing to it.

Pener Kropoopkin
Jan 30, 2013

by Jeffrey of YOSPOS

(and can't post for 29 days!)

Well, presumably if you're on a farm in the middle of nowhere you're still selling produce to the state instead of trying to rough it on subsistence.

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Halloween Jack posted:

Do they have any kind of consensus opinion on the Ruby Ridge fiasco?

If it gives you any indication anarchists in the anarchist thread have argued that it's okay for large portions of humanity to die out as long as they have their little cabin in the woods.

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
I want to live on a big farm with many friends 😊

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

tokin opposition posted:

I want to live on a big farm with many friends 😊

this

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Any polycule fan/supported will be taken out back.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

F Stop Fitzgerald posted:

epic good shoot

The Voice of Labor
Apr 8, 2020

AnimeIsTrash posted:

You should want to live in a community and participate in a society, if you don't society has failed you.

given that -consistently- one of the strongest forces for social good in the u.s. has been farmer's co-ops, I don't really see where you think the contradiction is occuring.

like, even in the bummiest of bumfuck nowheres there's still society, just less of it and it's usually less oppressive

tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)

AnimeIsTrash posted:

Any polycule fan/supported will be taken out back.

So you are ok with the Orgy Pit. pm me comrade

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

AnimeIsTrash posted:

If it gives you any indication anarchists in the anarchist thread have argued that it's okay for large portions of humanity to die out as long as they have their little cabin in the woods.

also shooting teenagers

Homeless Friend
Jul 16, 2007
the rest of humanity hosed around & found out

GalacticAcid
Apr 8, 2013

NEW YORK VALUES
lol

Danann
Aug 4, 2013

The Voice of Labor posted:

forestry and agriculture. a 50-100 year project to relocate urban populations into rural areas. enuring society against capitalism and counterrevolution by promoting self sufficiency and removing capital's cornerstone, densely concentrated labor.

massive tree farms with 400 year harvest cycles, even more massive conservation areas with no timber harvesting. communities of 50k-100k tops, each centered around a small college for research and education. each housing unit consisting of the housing unit and 5x the area of the housing unit in arable land. the gap caused by loosing out on economies of scale compensated for by having a healthy and educated labor force.

come, join me in my anime rpg hi tech pastoral utopia

i can't feed my family on perfectly spherical cows in frictionless vacuums nor can i use it to build tanks to fight external counterrevolutionaries op

exmarx
Feb 18, 2012


The experience over the years
of nothing getting better
only worse.
anarcho-jeffersonianism

Southpaugh
May 26, 2007

Smokey Bacon


Thread, favourite places to start with Lenin?

my bony fealty
Oct 1, 2008

Southpaugh posted:

Thread, favourite places to start with Lenin?

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism is the one that really got through to me first

State and Revolution is the go to

Buck Turgidson
Feb 6, 2011

𓀬𓀠𓀟𓀡𓀢𓀣𓀤𓀥𓀞𓀬

Southpaugh posted:

Thread, favourite places to start with Lenin?

On the second page of this thread there's a big reading list that's worth checking out. But here's the tip re Lenin:


quote:

The Essential Works of Lenin (Lenin; ed. Henry Christman) – Cheap Dover edition of Lenin's main works in their standard English translations. Includes "The Development of Capitalism in Russia;" "What is to be Done?;" "Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism;" "State and Revolution." These are Lenin's canonically major theoretical publications on political topics in his own lifetime.

lumpentroll
Mar 4, 2020

Homeless Friend posted:

the rest of humanity hosed around & found out

John Charity Spring
Nov 4, 2009

SCREEEEE

my bony fealty posted:

Imperialism, the Highest Stage of Capitalism is the one that really got through to me first

State and Revolution is the go to

these two are the most interesting starting points for sure. especially Imperialism since it has so much enduring relevance and his use of bourgeois sources to make his argument is a masterclass. also fun catty bits where he critiques Kautsky

Comrade Koba
Jul 2, 2007

John Charity Spring posted:

also fun catty bits where he critiques Kautsky

in my experience this is true of like 90% lenin ever wrote, lmao

dude will deliver a detailed exposition on bourgeois society and pause every other sentence to inform you that yes, kautsky is in fact still a dumb little pissbitch

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.
Socialism with Jeffersonian Characteristics

Dreddout
Oct 1, 2015

You must stay drunk on writing so reality cannot destroy you.

The Voice of Labor posted:


like, even in the bummiest of bumfuck nowheres there's still society, just less of it and it's usually less oppressive

Living out in the sticks without access to quality healthcare, education, and employment didn't feel very liberating to me but maybe your experience is different.

V. Illych L.
Apr 11, 2008
Probation
Can't post for 3 hours!

Comrade Koba posted:

in my experience this is true of like 90% lenin ever wrote, lmao

dude will deliver a detailed exposition on bourgeois society and pause every other sentence to inform you that yes, kautsky is in fact still a dumb little pissbitch

he has a lot of time for kautsky until 1914, when he *completely loses his poo poo* at the betrayal of the SPD. it's honestly a little moving how sincerely wounded he seems to be about it

F Stop Fitzgerald
Dec 12, 2010

Homeless Friend posted:

the rest of humanity hosed around & found out

AnimeIsTrash
Jun 30, 2018

Love me some lenin

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tokin opposition
Apr 8, 2021

I don't jailbreak the androids, I set them free.

WATCH MARS EXPRESS (2023)
As an anarcho-leninist

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