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So if something is a creature type then the most obvious effect is every changeling becomes that type and everything that lets you name a creature type would let you name that new type. Basic lands are a special case, because just having the type is one gives it the ability to tap for mana. So if forest was a creature type, than every changeling would be able to tap for mana. Shrines have a similar thing in that a lot of the old Kamigawa shrine cards do things per shrine you control, this would change how changelings interact with them. Similarly if equipment became a creature type than Stoneforge Mystic would be able to put any Changelings in your hand into play.
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orangelex44 posted:The whole "attack alone" thing is pretty horrible outside of Limited, right? I can't really envision a Standard deck built around that working out, much less the evergreen formats. Depends on how many payoffs there are, probably. If you pack every single "when x attacks alone" into the same deck, maybe it's good, maybe it's not.
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neaden posted:So if something is a creature type then the most obvious effect is every changeling becomes that type and everything that lets you name a creature type would let you name that new type. Basic lands are a special case, because just having the type is one gives it the ability to tap for mana. So if forest was a creature type, than every changeling would be able to tap for mana. Ok. This makes sense.
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don't forget my favorite silly card
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 1 mana value payoffs are dangerous D: edit also for Germans this has unfortunatly Rawhide Kobayashi vibes: 
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orangelex44 posted:The whole "attack alone" thing is pretty horrible outside of Limited, right? I can't really envision a Standard deck built around that working out, much less the evergreen formats. Exalted is a similar sort of ability and used to do some work in competitive decks but it was more like you load up your deck with value creatures who incidentally have Exalted so you can use it in a pinch to punch though at strategic moments. Goa Tse-tung posted:
drat they just really want enchantress decks to be a thing.
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I can't stop being so excited for this set just for the art direction alone. Will probably be the first standard booster box(es) I'll have bought since, like core 2021.
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Goa Tse-tung posted:
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Goa Tse-tung posted:
this is just complete nonsense quote:edit also for Germans this has unfortunatly Rawhide Kobayashi vibes: why for Germans?
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Fucker posted:shes a woman, op
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kalel posted:this is just complete nonsense Heiko is a German first name
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Man, did they need to make this "dies" and not "leaves the battlefield"? That hurts this so much for commander. Neat card though.
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orangelex44 posted:Man, did they need to make this "dies" and not "leaves the battlefield"? That hurts this so much for commander. They changed that rule, death triggers happen and THEN you move it to the command zone.
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Strong Sauce posted:
This art is a sleeper. This is giving me demon slayer "about to find my hidden move and destroy a demon" vibes. Powerful. I bet the full art looks good on a playmat.
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reignonyourparade posted:They changed that rule, death triggers happen and THEN you move it to the command zone. No, I meant that you can't blink this. It's not like green-white has a ton of sacrifice triggers, although it does have a bunch of mana to pay commander cost a couple times.
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orangelex44 posted:The whole "attack alone" thing is pretty horrible outside of Limited, right? I can't really envision a Standard deck built around that working out, much less the evergreen formats.
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Pablo Nergigante posted:Can you fetch a goblin enchantment with Goblin Matron. Yes. All subtype tutors just say "search for an x card" because it's technically only a Goblin creature if it's on the battlefield
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The Human Crouton posted:I get that, but why does it matter if forest becomes a creature type? If forest were a creature type, and I played engineered plague and chose forest as a creature type to give all forest creatures -1/-1, why would it matter except in cases where your forests also happened to be creatures? Also, all cards that I can think of that specify something like creature type also specify that the effect only happens to creatures where it would matter, so that that layer of security to prevent craziness is built in the card text themselves. The biggest reason not to do this is that some subtypes have rules associated with them that simply won't work if you make day, changelings, these subtypes. Channeling mountains would tap for red. Ongoing changelings would.... I dunno do something? Not to mention this would complicate all cards which change land types now needing to also add an ability.
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Even more simply, if you keep the subtypes separate then you never have to worry about corner cases coming up.
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HootTheOwl posted:Yes. All subtype tutors just say "search for an x card" because it's technically only a Goblin creature if it's on the battlefield This is just plain untrue   
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neaden posted:https://twitter.com/SaffronOlive/status/1487937257126440962?s=20&t=ZCMpEFuCXYvyBTxMJfz2sw
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Lone Goat posted:This is just plain untrue
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HootTheOwl posted:I don't know what you're quibbling over here but this ain't it chief These cards do not say "search for an x card" they say "search for an x creature card" because they are still x creature cards even if they are not on the battlefield. Goblin Matron can get Crib Swap, General Tazri can not.
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Lone Goat posted:These cards do not say "search for an x card" they say "search for an x creature card" because they are still x creature cards even if they are not on the battlefield. 109. Objects 109.1. An object is an ability on the stack, a card, a copy of a card, a token, a spell, a permanent, or an emblem. 109.2. If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes a card type or subtype, but doesn’t include the word “card,” “spell,” “source,” or “scheme,” it means a permanent of that card type or subtype on the battlefield. 109.2a If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes the word “card” and the name of a zone, it means a card matching that description in the stated zone. 109.2b If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes the word “spell,” it means a spell matching that description on the stack. 109.2c If a spell or ability uses a description of an object that includes the word “source,” it means a source matching that description—a source of an ability, of damage, or of mana—in any zone. See rules 113.7 and 609.7.
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They specify 'creature cards' as a policy to stop unintended interactions with Tribal, before that they didn't bother. The two effects are functionally different. In the deck they are X creature cards but they are not creatures. E: Amusingly, 'perpetually' isn't in the comp rules. Fantastic Foreskin fucked around with this message at 06:05 on Jan 31, 2022 |
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HootTheOwl posted:Go away Lone Goat is right though. 109.2a says that it must match the description. So if it says "Goblin Creature Card" then it must fetch a card that is both a goblin and a creature. If it says "Goblin Card" then in only has to fetch a card that is a goblin. I don't even think you two are disagreeing. The Human Crouton fucked around with this message at 06:12 on Jan 31, 2022 |
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:They specify 'creature cards' as a policy to stop unintended interactions with Tribal, before that they didn't bother. The two effects are functionally different. In the deck they are X creature cards but they are not creatures. Mainly they go out of their way to say "[type] creature card" or "[type] permanent card" if the ability puts the searched card into play so you don't have Tribal Changeling instants in play, but it's up in the air if the card isn't going into play. If it goes to your hand sometimes you'll get "[type] creature card", like the ones I posted above, and sometimes you'll just get "[type] card" like on Forerunner of the Legion. 
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That's what it was. For a while the policy was to always specify, at some point they decided they're really never making more Tribal so they stopped specifying, but anything that puts in onto the battlefield needs to be backwards compatible. Technically they don't have to specify, if an instant or sorcery tries to enter the battlefield nothing happens, but better to make trying an illegal action than enable rules lawyers.
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Fantastic Foreskin posted:That's what it was. For a while the policy was to always specify, at some point they decided they're really never making more Tribal so they stopped specifying, but anything that puts in onto the battlefield needs to be backwards compatible. Technically they don't have to specify, if an instant or sorcery tries to enter the battlefield nothing happens, but better to make trying an illegal action than enable rules lawyers. They printed a Tribal Artifact - Lhurgoyf in MH2 so looks like they still have that option available to them.
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Nighthand posted:. Seriously it’s worth the time to watch this. It goes through crypto’s history and ends with the current state of nft’s .
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Alright, I found what I was thinking of. For a while they said "X creature" on things like Goblin Chieftain but stopped that (ref: Hobgoblin Bandit Lord). From forerunner of the legion there I assume this carries over to any templating where its deemed not to matter. Ref: MaRo, and I think it was mentioned in the rules update at the time too.
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i have no idea whats going on with her pose in the regular art, lol
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The comparison of the samurai mechanic to Exalted is similar but ultimately the reason that Exalted worked back when Alara was in standard was that it had some absolute powerhouse cards with the mechanic. Noble Heirarch, Qasali Pridemage, and Rafiq of the Many were all insanely good creatures especially for the time. There was also Last Hour. None of the samurai spoiled so far are anywhere near that level.
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kalel posted:this is just complete nonsense Heiko is a German first name
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A big flaming stink posted:i have no idea whats going on with her pose in the regular art, lol My best guess is that we are looking at her from behind and at a 45 degree angle, and that her head is turned far to the left to look backwards.
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 Striding Skyscraper 8 Artifact Creature - Construct (Uncommon) This spells costs 1 less to cast for each modified creature you control. Trample Striding Skyscraper has hexproof as long as it’s untapped. 8/8  Otawara, Ethereal City Legendary Land (R) T: Add U to your mana pool. Channel - 3U, Discard Otawara, Ethereal City: Return target artifact, creature, enchantment, or planeswalker to its owner's hand. This ability costs 1 less to activate for each legendary creature you control. 
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