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Les Affaires posted:what factors have converged into your posting pray tell Why is that what you're asking about? There is a savage disinformation machine which is radicalising people all around the world, including here, producing scenes we've never seen before. It's winding these people up and dragging them to the right. We can laugh at how dumb they are, but it is a significant escalation and a dangerous precedent and it does not appear to be slowing down, even after restrictions have lifted and hospitalisations continue to rise. I've done what I can to shine a light on where it's coming from, and the way it is infiltrating Australia. Because fascists are a threat and they are exploiting this situation by weaponising conspiracy narratives. To the extent that my writing has failed to achieve that then I apologise.
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abigserve posted:There was a live stream on facebook and there's like, maybe 150 people there max and seems like a mixture of bogans, hippies and legit mental cases (there was one woman just shrieking at the top of her lungs) 150 is nothing, especially when parliament isn’t even sitting. But yeah I worry that people see a very small minority and think this is a majority. I saw a tonne of hate speech online towards Invasion Day protests that reeked of jealousy - people actually show up to Invasion Day protests because it is clearly a more popular cause than ~*~freedom~*~. I don’t really understand the 51st State mentality Qanon has pilled these people into thinking and good luck to anyone thinking a vote for UAP will lead to change corresponding to their beliefs.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Why is that what you're asking about? There is a savage disinformation machine which is radicalising people all around the world, including here, producing scenes we've never seen before. It's winding these people up and dragging them to the right. We can laugh at how dumb they are, but it is a significant escalation and a dangerous precedent and it does not appear to be slowing down, even after restrictions have lifted and hospitalisations continue to rise. I've done what I can to shine a light on where it's coming from, and the way it is infiltrating Australia. Because fascists are a threat and they are exploiting this situation by weaponising conspiracy narratives. To the extent that my writing has failed to achieve that then I apologise. no one's saying it's not important to keep an eye on the far-right but your writing does a terrible job of it. it's incredibly tedious & long-winded and delves through long chains of often fairly tenuous connections, ending up resembling the conspiracies it's trying to keep track of. it's also barely relevant at all to this thread, being mostly deep dives into qanon-related stuff instead of any substantial focus on the australian far-right. take the qanon deep dives elsewhere
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birdstrike posted:It’s effectively a conspiracy theory about a conspiracy theory I'm not sure what you mean. Can you explain, without using a strawman? Are there any parts you're disputing specifically? Are you saying political dirty tricks aren't a thing? Are you suggesting that the right can't/didn't/wouldn't weaponise conspiracies and other disinformation? lih posted:no one's saying it's not important to keep an eye on the far-right but your writing does a terrible job of it. it's incredibly tedious & long-winded and delves through long chains of often fairly tenuous connections, ending up resembling the conspiracies it's trying to keep track of. it's also barely relevant at all to this thread, being mostly deep dives into qanon-related stuff instead of any substantial focus on the australian far-right. take the qanon deep dives elsewhere Again, I'm not the one who keeps loving posting it. But look, here's an example of a tighter examination of one tiny part of it: The story of #DanLiedPeopleDied: how a hashtag reveals Australia’s ‘information disorder’ problem. Is that a conspiracy? Is this a conspiracy? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=omc-5zj70M0 Yes, mine zoom out to look at the bigger picture and tell the whole story. I think it matters, it's shorter than a book, and has more hyperlinks. If there is anything in particular you want to dispute then go for it, because your vague swipes aren't useful. If you want to write your own article I'd be happy to help however I can. And given how we've just seen a few hundred people march on parliament, backed by thousands more around the country, while yesterday people were cheering for the outright execution of MPs, it's absolutely relevant to Australian politics. Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 08:00 on Jan 31, 2022 |
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That medium article crashed my phone browser a few pages in so I ain't trying again. But rather than writing a giant thesis on the rise of extremism you could probably pin the current online brain rot on social media pushing both users to extremes through recommendation algorithms and content creators towards extreme positions through monetization incentives. Hilariously there was a lot of research into this back in the late 2000s by national security types trying to figure out how terrorists self-radicalised online. Turns out it's a thing that affects more than just disaffected Muslim teenagers!
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Tirade posted:That medium article crashed my phone browser a few pages in so I ain't trying again. But rather than writing a giant thesis on the rise of extremism you could probably pin the current online brain rot on social media pushing both users to extremes through recommendation algorithms and content creators towards extreme positions through monetization incentives. I am sorry about the file size. The algorithms are absolutely a factor of course. But if you focus exclusively on that, without acknowledging the way they have been exploited and weaponised, and the deliberate content creation that goes along with it, then you are absolutely not telling the full story.
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What are these people doing for a living to afford all of this. And how can someone report them to the ATO.
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Stylistically it might benefit from being separate posts on different topics (which would help it read less like a conspiracy theory). I’d be interested in your thoughts on how this differs to earlier things like the New Guard (or hell even the rwnj discourse about Gillard).
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https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2022-01-31/gofundme-freezes-canberra-covid-truck-convoy-money/100792930quote:Members of the crowd yelled "freedom" and "sack them all" and also belted out renditions of Amazing Grace and John Farnham's You're the Voice. lol
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Bucky Fullminster posted:producing scenes we've never seen before. This has somehow become conventional wisdom but I'm pretty sure it's not true
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RIP to the Freedom Landcruiser https://twitter.com/Kingstons101/status/1487961388291354625  This month's dashcam's australia going to be lit.
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Turns out that Ghost in the Shells self-radicalized terrorists via the internet was the best sci-fi becomes fact of them all.
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:RIP to the Freedom Landcruiser love to take my red ensign with me on fishing trips shows the fish i'm a real patriot
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Lol, it's a straight two lane highway in perfect driving conditions and these fuckwits still managed to re-end each other. Like even how? (edit: What's the odds one of them was trying to livestream while driving or something equally as dumb.
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freebooter posted:This has somehow become conventional wisdom but I'm pretty sure it's not true Unless you can show another time when people have set fire to the doors of old parliament house, openly declared their intention to use their maiden speech to mow down the MPs with an M16 for being paedophile protectors, citizen “militias” declaring their intent to use violence against police, and going up to parliament like today, then yes it's true. birdstrike posted:I’d be interested in your thoughts on how this differs to earlier things like the New Guard (or hell even the rwnj discourse about Gillard). I think there are chilling similarities with the New Guard. Fascism is like a virus which has ebbed and flowed and never been fully eradicated. The objectives and methods of both periods bear a striking resemblance to each other. The main goal is to “stop socialism”, and they are prepared to use force. The New Guard beat up the founder of the Communist party, Jock Garden, and who knows how different the country would be if that had played out another way. Their main thing was wanting Jack Lang out of office, and when that happened, luckily they just kind of petered out. Even after Campbell went on a tour of fascist Europe, and came back all psyched to go full on fascist here, the moderates in his party pulled him back. I can’t be sure we’d be so lucky today, and hate to think what could have happened if they had access to the same digital disinformation and psychological manipulation methods available at the time - especially in that precarious pre-WW2 stage, when it wasn't quite the villain it is today. We do see their legacy in today’s shenanigans – Jim Salaem’s head still pops up next to some of the organisers of these movements today. Which makes him further from the fringe than I’d like tbh. Fascism has a raw primitive appeal, which we have had the good fortune to have mostly evolved past – but it is still lurking below the surface, able to be stirred into life with a little prodding. And there are a number of very wealthy fascists with a lot of influential resources at their disposal who are actively prodding the poo poo out of people. The Mercers, for example, who famously funded Brietbart, Cambridge Analytica, and Rebel News, are now having an impact here, with Avi Yemeni clips being shared by all these Northern Rivers hippies talking about freedom, as well as the usual suspects. I can't be the only one who's seen this. The Kochs, who backed Turning Point (among all the other things of course), which is now being imported by Joel Jamal, who has helped amplify Ricardo Bosi. The list goes on. i360, CT group, Gloo, Topham Guerin, Psy Group, Tiger Lilly, RDA, IRA, Digital Warfare, Alesia. Peter Thiel, Erick Prince, Steve Bannon, etc. They are all influencing politics in ways we have not yet fully apprecaited. They don’t all need to be working together, it's enough for them to want the same thing, which is to oppose progressivism. So all their efforts are able to operate in parallel, or sometimes overlapping, and we have the mess we see today. Look at that poor innocent beautiful landcruiser. How many other casualties will we see as a result of this maddness. We need to ask ourselves what is their objective, and what are they prepared to do to achieve it. What resources are they able to deploy. Digital disinformation is a no-brainer and it's effectiveness has been demonstrated.. And after a while, enough people have become radicalised for to become organically self sustaining.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:Unless you can show another time when people have set fire to the doors of old parliament house, openly declared their intention to use their maiden speech to mow down the MPs with an M16 for being paedophile protectors, citizen “militias” declaring their intent to use violence against police, and going up to parliament like today, then yes it's true. thats interesting, you should check out this article. https://twitter.com/Spireship/status/1464821588725940228
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TheMightyHandful posted:Seems like a lot of work for a lovely bit, tbh. Classic sunk cost fallacy.
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TheMightyHandful posted:Seems like a lot of work for a lovely bit, tbh. It is.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:We need to ask ourselves what is their objective, and what are they prepared to do to achieve it. What resources are they able to deploy. Digital disinformation is a no-brainer and it's effectiveness has been demonstrated.. And after a while, enough people have become radicalised for to become organically self sustaining. I think this quote applies as much to these anti-vaxxers turned semi-fascists as much as any other political party in Australia. 'Australia is a lucky country run mainly by second rate people who share its luck. It lives on other people's ideas, and, although its ordinary people are adaptable, most of its leaders (in all fields) so lack curiosity about the events that surround them that they are often taken by surprise.' They don't have an objective of their own, they've imported objectives from elsewhere, snipping around the edges to try and shoe-horn them into Australian society. They don't get much traction because their ideas don't fit. Less than 4.5% of people haven't been vaxxed, and only a small proportion of that are going down the nutjob rabbit hole of extremism, the rest are just being scared by them or scared in general. Or they legitimately can't have the vaccine, or they're lazy like the North Western Australians who've been so far removed from Covid since the beginning they think it's a rumor. Yes fascism is alarming, and yes fascists are trying to hijack the antivax movement. But they're a bunch of idiots and ASIO and the Federal Police are keeping an eye on them. What's better, since the vaccine mandates have forced any cops to get the jab, they aren't in this group so you don't need to worry about the fascists mixing with the Police as you might otherwise had to. They'll be agitating and stomping around and the rest of Australia will pass them by, and if they continue to do things like block freeways they'll poison the wider publics opinion of them so badly we'll be asking the pollies to lock them up on Manus.
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Konomex posted:What's better, since the vaccine mandates have forced any cops to get the jab, they aren't in this group so you don't need to worry about the fascists mixing with the Police as you might otherwise had to. Lmao what?
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Konomex posted:I think this quote applies as much to these anti-vaxxers turned semi-fascists as much as any other political party in Australia. I think I do actually generally agree with this, even if I have trouble articulating exactly why. I guess it's mostly summed up by that Horne quote. And compulsory voting. And it's probably the reason I didn't even really get to Australia until about article number 6. In that sense my work here is mostly precautionary, but I don't feel we can afford to be complacent, cos that's how it grows. And time after time we've been sprung. We didn't think Trump would win. We didn't think Brexit would happen. Both of those were a handful of votes in the right place that massively impacted the world. We didn't think they'd storm the loving capitol either. And yes, the point is that Australia still feels like a different case, but how long can we guarantee that for. Especially since the "fascists" (or whatever you want to call the conservative capitalists) don't necessarily need to actually win specifically fascist seats to fight progressivism. It's the narratives and idea that are the problem. Because yes, what we're seeing is the loud part, and the people may be mostly idiots. But we also need to know that the Liberal party (and almost certainly the UAP) have contracts with firms like Crosby Textor and Topham Guerin, and the Kochs and Bannons and Mercers are going to continue deploying their resources to advance their agenda in ways that won't always be so immediately noticeable as Murdoch. Sir Lynton Crosby and the dark art of kingmaking This is a global issue, and the world is an interconnected place. Content can be pumped in from anywhere on telegram. And these cunts know exactly which voters in which electorates they need to target to to win. They know how to influence them, and they have the skills and ability to do it. In a sense this isn't new of course, it's the same game we've always played, but it is an exponential evolution which has does not yet seem to be accounted for in most analysis. It's like they're playing soccer with rocket boots or something. Their objective is for rich old white men to do what they want. That's what it basically all boils down to. A tale as old as time. So they'll fight unionism, BLM, CRT, Antifa, feminism, trans rights, as well as more existential threats, like public projects and international cooperation, with lies delivered in increasingly convincing ways. And of course perhaps the most significant issue of all, action on climate change. https://twitter.com/MrKRudd/status/1103452146828304384?s=20&t=gD0s5wOa0LrI7gLsyR6v2A https://twitter.com/gomichild/status/1327224953486381057?s=20
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Bucky Fullminster posted:I think I do actually generally agree with this, even if I have trouble articulating exactly why. I guess it's mostly summed up by that Horne quote. And compulsory voting. And it's probably the reason I didn't even really get to Australia until about article number 6. Who the heck is "we" here?
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Recoome posted:Who the heck is "we" here? Us, the readers of Hobo Erotica's blog. (dozens of voices join me in a chant, most of them with a pitch and timbre remarkably similar to Hobo Erotica)
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Recoome posted:Who the heck is "we" here? Most of the rest of the world that isn’t these conservative capitalist fuckwits? Amethyst posted:Bucky if you want to become an internet think guy who compiles thousands of words and want people to listen you need to get out of medium articles and on to youtube. The audience for this kind of thing doesn't read anymore Yeah, medium is definitely my medium, but I know what you mean and you’re right. To birdstrike’s point, I did wrestle with the idea of breaking it up too, but landed on preferring to keep it all in one place than switching back and forth. They’ve got about ~250k views in total, one of them got 120 K views, I think cos the timing was right and it was the first to really look at it and answer the questions it did. And it was under 30 minutes. I've been on a couple podcasts too, but yeah youtube is where it needs to be, it's just not a skill I really have. Can't be that hard though, surely. Recoome posted:I would like to know what the "my work here" is actually though because I get to that sentence and I have been re-reading it like 10 times and I still dont get it Raising these issues about the local scene I think Bucky Fullminster fucked around with this message at 00:02 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Bucky Fullminster posted:but yeah youtube is where it needs to be, it's just not a skill I really have. Can't be that hard though, surely. its Youtube. its a pretty low bar.
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Bucky Fullminster posted:They’ve got about ~250k views in total, one of them got 120 K views, I think cos the timing was right and it was the first to really look at it and answer the questions it did. And it was under 30 minutes. I've been on a couple podcasts too, but yeah youtube is where it needs to be, it's just not a skill I really have. Can't be that hard though, surely. They probably have that many views because you've been spamming the link relentlessly in QAnon/USPol threads (earning numerous probes and bans in the process) and have a seemingly endless supply of twitter sockpuppets to repost it (Animal Friend is just taking the piss, I guess). I'm just curious why you picked AusPol next and also can you actually monetize medium posts? Even ones that have hundreds of MB of attached images so that they probably cost more for medium & readers to host & render than they'll ever earn in ad revenue?
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Laserface posted:its Youtube. its a pretty low bar. Yeah you just put your phone in the car cradle and yell at it
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I would blow Dane Cook posted:Meanwhile in Canberra Mental Health needs so much more funding in this country.
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Jezza of OZPOS posted:Lmao what? The anti vax fascists aren't cops, as opposed to the fascist cops of yesteryear. There are still fascist cops, but not anti-vax fascist cops. We're gonna need a bunch of Venn Diagrams and some red string to explain this properly.
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Laserface posted:Mental Health needs so much more funding in this country. Better extend it to the whole Commonwealth (not that one, the other one): https://twitter.com/WhiteHatNZ/status/1488059301940064256
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Bucky Fullminster posted:I think I do actually generally agree with this, even if I have trouble articulating exactly why. I guess it's mostly summed up by that Horne quote. And compulsory voting. And it's probably the reason I didn't even really get to Australia until about article number 6. 
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