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Oxxidation posted:one of the main sources of nfts' staying power has been their incomprehensibility to anyone who's not part of the crypto cult, so a detailed and understandable breakdown of what they are and why they suck is a big deal It also works because it takes the things seriously but not respectfully. NFTs are stupid and suck, but like a lot of thing that are stupid and suck, if you ignore them instead of taking them seriously then you run the risk of not being able to actually stop anything.. But also you shouldn’t ignore the fact that they are stupid and they do suck, because those things are at the core of why we should stop them. Before I watched that video I thought the best way to combat their rise was to talk about the environmental impact, but that’s not as effective because that argument makes implict the idea that maybe if they weren’t destroying the world they would not suck. Then all crypto-people have to do is say “well there’s someone out there somewhere working on a way to make that go away so I’m just gonna keep going under the assumption that it will all be fine because i have to be in on the ground floor to make money”. That’s good enough for a depressing amount of people. You really have to strike at the heart of how they came to exist, what they are meant to do, and how they currently work, because if you just take a clear-eyed look at those three things you can easily see that it’s all stupid suckiness all the way down. Even if they had absolutely no energy consumption problems, it would still be awful and we still shouldn’t let these people inflate this into something it isn’t.
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Feb 1, 2022 21:16
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Marshal Radisic posted:words Yeah, Openbound was my first inkling that something might be going wrong with the comic. I was completely on board with everything Homestuck did right up until then, but most of the Beforan trolls not being characters was the start off me being anxious to see things start wrapping up instead of excited to see what new directions Hussie could take things. I didn't completely turn around then and there; I liked Meenah and most of the previously established characters, whose presence kept Openbound from being a complete waste. Then the comic stopped updating for a whole year and I fell off it until someone told me the ending was out, and then until Sarah Z mentioned the Unofficial Collection in her video... which actually made me kind of like it again. I Wish I Could Call Homestuck Garbage and Move On with My Life But It's Just Not That Simple
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Feb 1, 2022 21:52
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Solitair posted:I Wish I Could Call Homestuck Garbage and Move On with My Life But It's Just Not That Simple
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Feb 1, 2022 21:54
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I'll defend the Epilogues (....somewhat) because I think people had really bad knee-jerk reactions to seeing beloved characters maybe not be the best people, morally standing, but I have not so much as glanced at whatever the gently caress is going on with H^2 and I think my life is better for it  (...I do still own my homestuck aspect hoodie, though, I don't think I could ever get rid of it at this point lol)
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Feb 1, 2022 22:06
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I have to admit to being one of the greybeard curmudgeons who came into Homestuck from Problem Sleuth, and the point where it started falling apart for me was honestly the second intermission with the Trolls' backstories. It not only dragged on for a very long time, but also introduced some pretty serious problems with the consistency with the story's tone. Basically once the trolls were involved things started to get a lot edgier and more violent in ways that clashed with but also existed alongside the goofier tone of the comic up until that point. The actual worldbuilding of Alternia as presented in the flashback is kind of a good demonstration of this tonal dissonance, as Troll society is presented to us as this over-the-top, WH40k-style dystopia and a bunch of the Trolls' backstories touch on some fairly serious topics...But this exists alongside obvious wackiness like Trolls jizzing into a communal bucket to reproduce, furry hyper-muscle porn being their version of classical art and Gamzee being a Troll juggalo who's high out of his mind. It's just such a mess as the comic never seems to have a clear idea as to what we're supposed to actually take seriously and what is supposed to just be a bullshit joke. It's sort of touched on in the video that was posted, but this same problem kind of crops up in the way the comic handles death in general and the apocalypse portion of its story in specific. There's a bunch of times where someone is killed off and the characters have an appropriately somber reaction to it, but then other times someone important to the characters will die and it'll just sort of be brushed off? The whole apocalypse angle in and of itself is a big example of this: The characters don't really seem to have much of an emotional reaction to their entire planet and everyone it being destroyed. In the earlier acts I figured this was leading into fixing or undoing the apocalypse being an eventual end goal for the comic, but then it just...wasn't? And the fact that the characters never seem to even bother addressing that Sburb, this hyper-powerful, unchecked force of apocalyptic destruction is still out there destroying universes when they have acquired a bunch of powers that could potentially be used to do something about it just makes the story's entire worldview seem almost sociopathically solipsistic. Finally, I always felt like the increased focus on the Trolls ended up coming at the expense of a bunch of existing characters and plot threads I was actually kind of invested in. Like, remember the post-apocalyptic carapacians? Wayward Vagabond and Peregrin Mendicant and Aimless Renegade and such? Remember how all but two of them were abruptly killed off and didn't end up having any bearing on the larger narrative? ...Yeah.
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Feb 1, 2022 22:57
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I read the whole Homestuck post once. I think anyone who enjoyed it should probably be put in a sanitarium
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Feb 1, 2022 23:02
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Anyone interested in this Homestuck conversation would probably enjoy Homestuck Made This World by Ranged Touch. Two academics, one who was invested in the fandom and read it all live, one who has no familiarity and is coming at it now, read through the comic and chart its effect on internet culture then, and how that has rippled into media and platforms and capitalism in the years since. They're currently in the middle of Act 5 and have already been speaking to some of the points here. Also, the SA Homestuck thread is is serving as their main source for real-time fan reaction since it's more accessibly archived than the official forums, Formspring, or the other places people talked Homestuck in 2010. E: The analysis is great and all, but the best part is CMRN enjoying the early bits and getting more and more bitter as the story is increasingly about the parts he hates. General Ironicus fucked around with this message at 23:26 on Feb 1, 2022 |
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Feb 1, 2022 23:16
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Marshal Radisic posted:Good poo poo right here Whole-heartedly agree with everything said here, especially in relation to the story's ever-expanding scope and Hussie's inability to adapt to changing attitudes of the time. I honestly think Hussie is a lot like Lowtax in that regard, with both of them disappearing in their own ways. I honestly kind of feel for the guy because who could ever prepare for something of yours to get THAT popular with THAT sort of enthusiastic audience. Homestuck fandom really was something else entirely. In regards to the kickstarter; I think even as recently as the Sarah Z video, if he had come out and said, "I way overestimated what it would take to make a video game and that's on me, so we are trying to re-focus our efforts" I think would have gone a long way. Heck, I think that's even part of what Sara Z was trying to get him to do. But I imagine at that point, with much money was involved and how much time had passed, it becomes harder and harder to admit that maybe you were wrong. The kickstarter definitely came out amidst the kickstarter boom and the whole pitch definitely sounds like he didn't even really know what kind of game he wanted to make, just that he would raise the money and figure things out later. This is definitely a guy that never really planned to start a whole company and wasn't prepared for what doing so would entail and it shows, especially from the way he talked about the goings on with Sarah (if that makes sense?)
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Feb 1, 2022 23:39
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General Ironicus posted:Anyone interested in this Homestuck conversation would probably enjoy Homestuck Made This World by Ranged Touch. Two academics, one who was invested in the fandom and read it all live, one who has no familiarity and is coming at it now, read through the comic and chart its effect on internet culture then, and how that has rippled into media and platforms and capitalism in the years since. They're currently in the middle of Act 5 and have already been speaking to some of the points here. Also, the SA Homestuck thread is is serving as their main source for real-time fan reaction uh oh
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Feb 2, 2022 00:27
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General Ironicus posted:Anyone interested in this Homestuck conversation would probably enjoy Homestuck Made This World by Ranged Touch. Two academics, one who was invested in the fandom and read it all live, one who has no familiarity and is coming at it now, read through the comic and chart its effect on internet culture then, and how that has rippled into media and platforms and capitalism in the years since. They're currently in the middle of Act 5 and have already been speaking to some of the points here. Also, the SA Homestuck thread is is serving as their main source for real-time fan reaction since it's more accessibly archived than the official forums, Formspring, or the other places people talked Homestuck in 2010. Homestuck Made This World is literally the thing that finally got me to read homestuck! I had this idea that I'd read along with CMRN and Michael and then I just kept going because secretly homestuck is kind of just a good story told weirdly, and if you're ok with weird that leaves just a good story. Michael's dives into the SA thread is extra fun because he's a poster from old times as well, and he was in that thread, watching people become that which they hate. at one point he singles out a goon making fun of shippers, who then comes in a few pages later talking about how they had been RPing as their fantroll and it's frankly the perfect example of SA culture. everyone in the thread should listen to the podcast, even if they've got no intention of reading the comic itself
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Feb 2, 2022 01:18
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homestucks pretty nostalgic for me but i kinda get the Vibe everyones putting out wrt its criticisms with pacing and tone and stuff (and it probably doesn't hold up all that well either) i thought the "meat" epilogue was interesting but then fell right off and then the staff anger towards sarah z's vid turned me off of reading the stuff after that one epilogue
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Feb 2, 2022 01:24
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All this Homestuck talk from you young whipper-snappers is nice, but we're not addressing the true over-long mega-sprawl internet comic: Sluggy Freelance. The latest comic/storyline appears to be picking up a thread from 2002.
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Feb 2, 2022 02:06
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The latest development in the NFT space is too juicy to contain to just the crypto thread:Pigbuster posted:
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Pigbuster posted:He made a song with the guy that faked finding shrimp tails in his cinnamon toast crunch a year a ago what the gently caress are you kidding me
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Feb 2, 2022 02:43
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They made an nft of Disney. I'm thinking this dad is about to hit a very hard wall
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Feb 2, 2022 02:47
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Pigbuster posted:The latest development in the NFT space is too juicy to contain to just the crypto thread: Let's be honest, there's a half-decent chance that tomorrow morning people will find the HitPiece creators nailed to the gates of Disney Land with the words "DO NOT TOUCH OUR PROPERTY" painted in their blood beside them. Because holy poo poo you don't gently caress with Disney IP.
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Feb 2, 2022 03:02
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Neddy Seagoon posted:Let's be honest, there's a half-decent chance that tomorrow morning people will find the HitPiece creators nailed to the gates of Disney Land with the words "DO NOT TOUCH OUR PROPERTY" painted in their blood beside them. Fuckin lol if Disney's deathbound commitment to mass market consumerism is the thing that saves us from the NFT fiends' deathbound commitment of artificial scarcity consumerism.
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Feb 2, 2022 03:05
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The website is already nonfunctional so I think someone had an "oh poo poo" moment
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Feb 2, 2022 03:06
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Pigbuster posted:The website is already nonfunctional so I think someone had an "oh poo poo" moment It's very likely Spotify killed their API key pretty much the second this hit twitter.
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Feb 2, 2022 03:08
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Serendipity or the Algorithm stalking me? You decide. But here's Tomska https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W5Sopc2JxE
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Feb 2, 2022 03:12
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Homestuck’s problem wasn’t the trolls but Act 6 and pivoting like a third time to a new set of characters and their deal, and that might have worked but it spent way too much time getting them joined up with the rest of the cast. Once that happened, we got a climax except it wasn’t against the major villain and it literally retconned everything from Act 6 up to that point so it was rushed, lacked investment, and was generally unsatisfactory. It really felt like Hussie just wanted to get it out the door ASAP because he knew otherwise it’d just keep on spiraling out of the control. There kernels of good storytelling in there, but he seemed really reluctant to push on the important character moments until the literal end where it’s just way too much at once from like twenty characters.
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Feb 2, 2022 03:19
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Pigbuster posted:The latest development in the NFT space is too juicy to contain to just the crypto thread: This definitely gets the gas face
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Feb 2, 2022 03:31
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I Before E posted:This definitely gets the gas face How do lovely people just hang around when everyone knows how lovely they are
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Feb 2, 2022 03:34
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Pants Donkey posted:Homestuck’s problem wasn’t the trolls but Act 6 and pivoting like a third time to a new set of characters and their deal, and that might have worked but it spent way too much time getting them joined up with the rest of the cast. Once that happened, we got a climax except it wasn’t against the major villain and it literally retconned everything from Act 6 up to that point so it was rushed, lacked investment, and was generally unsatisfactory. the purpose of the comic's last handful of pages was seemingly to argue that homestuck had become too clever to tell a story it went over better than it should have, at least until the ending made everyone realize it was serious
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Feb 2, 2022 03:48
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Pants Donkey posted:Homestuck’s problem wasn’t the trolls but Act 6 and pivoting like a third time to a new set of characters and their deal, and that might have worked but it spent way too much time getting them joined up with the rest of the cast. Once that happened, we got a climax except it wasn’t against the major villain and it literally retconned everything from Act 6 up to that point so it was rushed, lacked investment, and was generally unsatisfactory. Hussie's real problem was thinking LOST was an example of good storytelling and overestimating his own ability to do everything himself. Plus, I get the impression he was exploiting the goodwill of a whole bunch of creative people working (probably for no pay) under him. LanceHunter posted:All this Homestuck talk from you young whipper-snappers is nice, but we're not addressing the true over-long mega-sprawl internet comic: Sluggy Freelance. I was playing a wacky card game that had bun-bun as a card. Nobody knew who he was. That was almost a decade ago. Clip-On Fedora fucked around with this message at 04:25 on Feb 2, 2022 |
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Feb 2, 2022 04:11
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Oxxidation posted:the purpose of the comic's last handful of pages was seemingly to argue that homestuck had become too clever to tell a story Andrew Hussie ascending up his own rear end on a cloud of "You Just Don't Get It" is the most Homestuck way Homestuck could have ended.
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Feb 2, 2022 04:12
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LanceHunter posted:All this Homestuck talk from you young whipper-snappers is nice, but we're not addressing the true over-long mega-sprawl internet comic: Sluggy Freelance. Someone from the LP Discord has a thread recapping the entire series from the beginning, and I'm looking forward to seeing how many rails it ends up going off.
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Feb 2, 2022 05:29
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Apparently, Jay Exci got into a bit of drama with Hasan Piker. Hasan streamed Jay's "Bizzare House" video on his Twitch stream, but he only made three comments total and even got up to make food while Jay's video played uninterrupted. Jay argued that Hasan's reaction was non-transformative and she didn't receive any credit or mentions. Jay made a satirical "reaction" video to Hasan's reaction video. Hasan took it personally and called her out on his stream, so she made a video breaking down reaction content, the difference between transformative and non-transformative, and the drama between her and Hasan. It's a really good vid. I've gotten into reaction content since the lockdown and I can't stand reactors who just watch a movie, video, etc. and say nothing or just giggle occasionally. At least say what you feel, what you notice, anything! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_TVSfHbpR6k
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Feb 2, 2022 05:36
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Grouchio posted:Was she not vaccinated?  Some mod give Grouchio the Tower of Shame again
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Feb 2, 2022 05:39
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LanceHunter posted:All this Homestuck talk from you young whipper-snappers is nice, but we're not addressing the true over-long mega-sprawl internet comic: Sluggy Freelance. Oh god, you spoke the words and I have been summoned. Every two or three years I churn through whatever Sluggy has come out in the intervening years and think, wow, if he'd just taken his handful of good ideas, told a coherent story, and moved the gently caress on to something new, it would be up there with, I dunno, schlock mercenary? And other... great webcomics of the late 90s and very early 00s? But alas. I really thought the bit about satellite based artificial intelligences was clever and if there hadn't been fifteen years between that setup and absolutely nothing happening, followed by another seven years of nothing happening, that would have been a neat payoff. Solitair posted:Someone from the LP Discord has a thread recapping the entire series from the beginning, and I'm looking forward to seeing how many rails it ends up going off. I'd like to know more about this. I think I'd find it therapeutic. Regarding Homestuck, looking back I feel that midnight crew was the high point but I came in as a Problem Sleuth fan.
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Feb 2, 2022 05:59
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Suede posted his video on the Shopro situation. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v6uH71BdMBA I really hope this gets traction like his last few tweets have gotten. This really feels like the first step in a massive push by Japanese companies regarding Youtube, and they need to do something about it soon.
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Feb 2, 2022 06:34
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Thundersword238 posted:Suede posted his video on the Shopro situation. Since the filing was specifically being fined for views while accessible in Japan, it sounds like any geoblocking wouldn’t protect every video regarding Japanese media that was previously viewable globally anyway. And geoblocking would be a sneaky way to hide actual uploads of DBZ movies or whatever. So you know YouTube would be disinclined to to make that accommodation because the much bigger Japanese media companies would lose their poo poo. It’s a pretty grim outlook.
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Feb 2, 2022 07:14
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Grondoth posted:How do lovely people just hang around when everyone knows how lovely they are ??? I was referring to MC Serch, that guy who was attached to the whole scheme's main claim to fame, 3rd Bass' The Gas Face: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QYp28tEAVvs And as far as I know he hasn't done anything else of major note since his role in 2000's Bamboozled, so I'm not sure what you mean about hanging around.
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Feb 2, 2022 07:16
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doesn't Serch run an alternative Baseball Hall of Fame that is down the street from the real Baseball Hall of Fame in Cooperstown or was that one of the other guys in 3rd Bass e: i was thinking of Pete Nice
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Feb 2, 2022 07:26
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Paladin posted:I'd like to know more about this. I think I'd find it therapeutic. Here's the server. The Sluggy Freelance recap thread (formerly the Dominic Deegan recap thread) is under #generalbeach. We just finished Book 5, which is less than three years in.
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Feb 2, 2022 07:47
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LanceHunter posted:All this Homestuck talk from you young whipper-snappers is nice, but we're not addressing the true over-long mega-sprawl internet comic: Sluggy Freelance. Well its got Megatokyo (and its interminable update pace) beat.
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Feb 2, 2022 11:21
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DeafNote posted:Well its got Megatokyo (and its interminable update pace) beat. Wait, Megatokyo is still around? drat.
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Feb 2, 2022 14:12
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volts5000 posted:Apparently, Jay Exci got into a bit of drama with Hasan Piker. Hasan streamed Jay's "Bizzare House" video on his Twitch stream, but he only made three comments total and even got up to make food while Jay's video played uninterrupted. Jay argued that Hasan's reaction was non-transformative and she didn't receive any credit or mentions. Jay made a satirical "reaction" video to Hasan's reaction video. Hasan took it personally and called her out on his stream, so she made a video breaking down reaction content, the difference between transformative and non-transformative, and the drama between her and Hasan. It's a really good vid. Does Exci still have anything to do with MauLer? The last time I watched one of her (admittedly older) videos YouTube suddenly thought I was all about both MauLer and like the Critical Drinker.
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Feb 2, 2022 15:34
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I Before E posted:??? I can't believe you forgot the greatest reality TV show of all time, VH1's Egotrip's Tha (White) Rapper Show.
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Feb 2, 2022 15:35
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=005YAcpPxsw Sarah Z new video touches of fan canon of Sherlock, Homestuck, Kingdom Hearts, Harry Potter and Dragonball Z so beware of taking 2d10 psychic damage every few minutes jokes aside the schoolyard bullshit about Dragonball AF is fascinating as pre-internet time capsule and that Corncob TV cup is amazing, I need one
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Dawgstar posted:Does Exci still have anything to do with MauLer? The last time I watched one of her (admittedly older) videos YouTube suddenly thought I was all about both MauLer and like the Critical Drinker. In the video I linked, she reached out to a bunch of other Youtubers to get a response regarding how they feel about streamers streaming their videos without commentary. There's a montage of them responding either "no" or "yes with caveats". I saw MauLer and Critical Drinker in the montage, but it was just them saying "no" as their response.
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