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Majorian posted:Perhaps, but it's not like the U.S. has many cards to play on the issue. Zelensky himself already said it: if they're not getting into NATO (and they're not), NATO should say so. They did. In 2008. Nothing has changed other than Russia parking several divisions immediately on the border of Ukraine and annexing some land.
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Jaxyon posted:I don't think there's a nefarious plot, I think that's simply the framing the editor writing headlines wanted. In the body of the article, Maddow is mentioned once: "The top spot in total viewers went to MSNBC’s “The Rachel Maddow Show.” I mean, I can't imagine most editors wouldn't point out that Carlson gets more Dem viewers among a coveted demographic than Maddow does, considering the relevant tropes & framing for each, and given that it's a pretty strong peg to read the story. I don't think it's equating their contributions (which might be done given other factors, such as hyperbole & what each covers) as much as saying "Looky! The libbiest lib in libville gets more non-old eyeballs than the Chuddiest Chud in Chudville!" In other words, it's newsworthy enough to included in a hed.
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Herstory Begins Now posted:
Oh they were trying to do another Bush v gore. Get the election close enough to involve the SC, have them rule for trump, he gets another turn. That was probably why they tried to overturn states, to try to throw it to the court they spent years filling with apparachiks.
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SourKraut posted:And the Kardashians For the sake of clarity I should have said "Wolfenstein Nazi-cosplaying". The E-fash these days love the Techno-Nazi look of Wolfenstein and are quite vocally mad about how the game demonizes Nazis for some inconceivable reason  Case in point, this doomcock: https://twitter.com/theserfstv/status/1313291961877495809
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nine-gear crow posted:For the sake of clarity I should have said "Wolfenstein Nazi-cosplaying". The E-fash these days love the Techno-Nazi look of Wolfenstein and are quite vocally mad about how the game demonizes Nazis for some inconceivable reason Oh wow, sorry, I apologize then. That makes a lot more sense and... just, what the ever loving gently caress.
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Denver's mayor has announced that the city is dropping mask & vaccination requirements effective this Friday, although individual businesses are free to maintain mandates.quote:Hancock also said in his Twitter thread the city’s public health order requiring masks in schools and child care facilities will remain in effect for the time being. It'll be interesting to see whether other large cities that had mandates follow suit fairly soon, or whether there will be an abundance of caution after the Open Biden snafus last spring.
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CommieGIR posted:I don't think it matters, because that's been largely a Russia point, not really a US one. Its just an excuse, of many excuses for their actions. Crimea wasn't about to become a NATO stronghold either. If they're not getting into NATO then there is an argument then Ukraine will change course. This entire conflict is around Ukraine leaving the patronage of Russia and trying to join NATO and the EU and generally becoming more "Western". It's not impossible to think Ukraine would change what they're doing if NATO became a firm no and the EU continued to do little to assist in this. Will Russia still invade? Maybe, totally. But looking at it from a political angle it's to their advantage to negotiate at that point. It probably still ends with Ukraine being a patron of Russia again but it could be a lot more bloodless. But it's really all conjecture, just trying to think through what could happen. I definitely don't think anyone has to say they "agree with Hawley" because his larger point is we can't go to war with white people we need to go to war with China. But if you isolate it to "NATO needs to admit Ukraine isn't joining and toss out the indefinite agreement" it could change the course of things.
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Gumball Gumption posted:If they're not getting into NATO then there is an argument then Ukraine will change course. This entire conflict is around Ukraine leaving the patronage of Russia and trying to join NATO and the EU and generally becoming more "Western". It's not impossible to think Ukraine would change what they're doing if NATO became a firm no and the EU continued to do little to assist in this. Will Russia still invade? Maybe, totally. But looking at it from a political angle it's to their advantage to negotiate at that point. It probably still ends with Ukraine being a patron of Russia again but it could be a lot more bloodless. But unlike the NATO question, the EU question was in the running and Ukraine wants to enter the EU to access their market. Like Ukraine knows the NATO thing is largely not happening, but the EU discussion has been pretty serious, intending to apply by 2023-2024 timeframe.
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CommieGIR posted:They did. In 2008. Nothing has changed other than Russia parking several divisions immediately on the border of Ukraine and annexing some land. That's actually not true - NATO only said no to a membership action plan on that occasion, not definitively, and then-Sec. Gen Jaap de Hoop Scheffer outright promised that Ukraine and Georgia would join "someday": quote:NATO leaders softened the blow by making a vaguer pledge to invite the two to join the alliance at some point in the future and saying former Cold War foe Moscow should have no influence on membership decisions. That promise has yet to be rescinded, as far as I've seen. Majorian fucked around with this message at 00:08 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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nine-gear crow posted:For the sake of clarity I should have said "Wolfenstein Nazi-cosplaying". The E-fash these days love the Techno-Nazi look of Wolfenstein and are quite vocally mad about how the game demonizes Nazis for some inconceivable reason The only service to exclusively hire Helghast as PR!
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:It's mostly because Fox has about five times as many viewers in prime time as their competitors. Only about 700,000 people are watching MSNBC primetime on a given night. Fox is averaging 3.4 million. Everybody but the young people here eat that poo poo up, including older democrats. It's a real problem. Hell I've seen school administrators watch it in their office. Some cult poo poo among the olds here, but Michigan is extremely "groupthink" with them anyway lately.
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Klaus88 posted:The only service to exclusively hire Helghast as PR! My Helghast cosplay was better than these fashies
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nine-gear crow posted:Probably Discord. Discord is loving chock to the gills with Nazis, Nazi-adjacent individuals, and Nazi recruiters. Hell, any nerdy shut-in teenager on the internet these days sits on the precipice of a straight vertical slide into white supremacy. All you need to do is start watching a few videos about nerd-oriented content on YouTube and within an hour the algorithm has landed you on some seig heiling Wolfenstein cosplayer's channel that's gonna teach them the 14 Words and gently suggest that "something should be done about" [insert minority here]. Absolutely frighteningly true. I think you only need to get 1 or two videos into "videogame" or "comic book" channels and you'll be getting Prager U ads instantly, and the algorithm just gets worse from there.
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Willa Rogers posted:I mean, I can't imagine most editors wouldn't point out that Carlson gets more Dem viewers among a coveted demographic than Maddow does, considering the relevant tropes & framing for each, and given that it's a pretty strong peg to read the story. It can be both really. I think in the "pretending to be unbiased" world of mainstream news, editors want Maddow to be the equivalent of Tucker.
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:The FBI has found the people who called in the bomb threats to 20 different historically black colleges and universities to "celebrate" the start of Black History Month. lol i hope ruining yourlife at 17 is worth it.(and maybe a plank size atom of hope they at least stop being regressive or apolitical/non voting forever.) Also rating numbers are a horseshit shell game. Also also Fox is getting killed by Alex Jones. His ratings are 10% of the entire universe.
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CommieGIR posted:But unlike the NATO question, the EU question was in the running and Ukraine wants to enter the EU to access their market. Like Ukraine knows the NATO thing is largely not happening, but the EU discussion has been pretty serious, intending to apply by 2023-2024 timeframe. Maybe I don't know enough about Ukrainian politics but what is it based on that they know the NATO thing isn't happening? Everyone involved keeps saying it's happening someday and seems to be something Ukraine is trying to achieve. And yeah, I'm not saying the EU thing isn't happening, just that if NATO becomes a firm "It's never happening" than Ukraine's political calculus might change.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Maybe I don't know enough about Ukrainian politics but what is it based on that they know the NATO thing isn't happening? Everyone involved keeps saying it's happening someday and seems to be something Ukraine is trying to achieve. And yeah, I'm not saying the EU thing isn't happening, just that if NATO becomes a firm "It's never happening" than Ukraine's political calculus might change. Because if Ukraine was part of NATO, then everyone in NATO would be obligated to defend Ukraine if Russia invaded (like they already did when they annexed Crimea) and everyone in NATO is really nervous about testing that. They don't want Russia to start wars in Eastern Europe and annex territory, but they also don't want to be obligated to defend Ukraine. That's why Ukraine wants to join NATO, but they keep pushing it back.
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Gumball Gumption posted:Maybe I don't know enough about Ukrainian politics but what is it based on that they know the NATO thing isn't happening? Everyone involved keeps saying it's happening someday and seems to be something Ukraine is trying to achieve. And yeah, I'm not saying the EU thing isn't happening, just that if NATO becomes a firm "It's never happening" than Ukraine's political calculus might change. The U.S. government really wants it to happen, and so do Poland and the Baltics, plus the NATO Secretary-General in '08 said it was definitely going to happen. That's why people think it's happening. It's not going to happen, though, because NATO requires a unanimous vote from all member-states, and France and Germany really don't want Ukraine to join. Jaxyon posted:NATO members worried they might actually have to do what their agreement says. Yup, which is why NATO probably needs to dissolve. Russia's not going to make for the Fulda Gap anytime soon, while NATO isn't going to go to war with Russia for anything less than that.
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Jaxyon posted:I'm just happy that a black celebrity's death is getting the kind of investigative response that is usually reserved for white celebrity death. Do you think it's your duty to react to literally everything like this? (USER WAS PUT ON PROBATION FOR THIS POST)
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haveblue posted:It's a shame the Senate will be paralyzed and unable to accomplish anything for 4-6 weeks instead of being paralyzed and unable to accomplish anything for 4-6 weeks You say that, but a vote to confirm a black woman to the Supreme Court might take all 50 dem senators.
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Jaxyon posted:NATO members worried they might actually have to do what their agreement says. Yeah a lot of people don't want to sign a commitment to embark on a bunch of pointless horrible wars, go figure
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Don't know if this is current events or Right Wing Media. Apparently, someone thought putting Rudy on the Masked Singer may help rehab his image? Surprisingly for something involving Rudy, it was a massive fuckup. https://twitter.com/DEADLINE/status/1489056203154112512 Also, I'll never get tired of that picture of him.
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tecnocrat posted:
It should be engraved on his tombstone.
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I was a wild 3 or 4 years where it was taken as a given in American politics that Democrats had to forfeit the 2008 election and John McCain's chance to run for President was over because Rudy Giuliani was going to sweep the primary and win 40 states in the general election. And then the following even wilder 4 months when it was widely assumed that Fred Thompson was the only candidate who could win a Republican primary after Rudy imploded. Leon Trotsky 2012 fucked around with this message at 04:48 on Feb 3, 2022 |
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Herstory Begins Now posted:*on the urinal that they convert into his tombstone That'll be the case by default.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah a lot of people don't want to sign a commitment to embark on a bunch of pointless horrible wars, go figure Yeah but that's the point. It always was bullshit. They're simply making it clear now.
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VitalSigns posted:Yeah a lot of people don't want to sign a commitment to embark on a bunch of pointless horrible wars, go figure A bunch of pointless horrible wars describes NATO's history
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Gumball Gumption posted:A bunch of pointless horrible wars describes NATO's history I meant horrible for NATO members like another Crimean war for [???] benefit. Obviously they're up for wars that are horrible for defenseless people in places like Libya, also none of the wars NATO has been involved in were defensive wars they were committed to fight under Article 5, they were all aggressive wars of choice
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Leon Trotsky 2012 posted:I was a wild 3 or 4 years where it was taken as a given in American politics that Democrats had to forfeit the 2008 election and John McCain's chance to run for President was over because Rudy Giuliani was going to sweep the primary and win 40 states in the general election. Fred Thompson responded to accusations of him being lazy by bragging about all the times he had sex.
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Ynglaur posted:Washington Gridlocks The Marlboro men
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If they were going for a pun, "The Washington Insiders" is obviously the best choice. https://twitter.com/CapitolPolice/status/1489248843870785537 That guy who had a several hour standoff with Capitol police last year because he parked his car in front of the Supreme Court and said he had a bomb has parked in front of the Supreme Court again. Doesn't claim to have a bomb this time, but is refusing to leave.
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Orthanc6 posted:It's a difficult calculation. On the one hand, giving in to that 1 demand of Russia's might take off the pressure for the time being. On the other hand, it might be the exact "sign of weakness" they're waiting for to move forward and say "so what you gonna do about it?". Which is pretty much what they did with taking Crimea. It really could go either way as I see it. What exactly is the China Ball and why do we need to keep our eyes on it?
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FlamingLiberal posted:He’s not still in prison? I don't know if he ever went to prison. He was charged with assault on a police officer and failure to obey a police officer. I don't know how the case resolved, but if it was his first offense, I could easily see him getting off with a fine and probation.
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Nucleic Acids posted:What exactly is the China Ball and why do we need to keep our eyes on it? China is aggressively posturing towards its neighbors (Vietnam, Japan, Philippines), illegally building islands to extend its maritime borders in the South China Sea, and is inching closer toward attempting to attack and annex a sovereign nation (Taiwan) that has a decades long-'relationship' with the USA. Most of those countries are at the very least looking towards the USA to act as a counter-balance.
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Crazy Joe Wilson posted:China is aggressively posturing towards its neighbors (Vietnam, Japan, Philippines), illegally building islands to extend its maritime borders in the South China Sea, and is inching closer toward attempting to attack and annex a sovereign nation (Taiwan) that has a decades long-'relationship' with the USA. It's comforting to know that even if Raytheon doesn't get a payout in Ukraine, there's a secondary revenue pipeline they can engage. Greatest economy ever, baby!
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